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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:50:52 GMT
Your drooling for Michelle Forbes makes me so proud because I'm like her fan number one I blame @andraste for reigniting that flame within me. She was a crush I crushed on bad when I was watching that show, her and Starbuck obviously. :kiss: I need this. I need this in my life Bioware. That woman is just my type. If she was the inspiration for the character she could be any class and I wouldn't care if she was a squadmate or a crew. (I usually prefer squadies over crew/advisors because of content.)
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Post by Crim on Apr 17, 2017 18:05:40 GMT
I blame @andraste for reigniting that flame within me. She was a crush I crushed on bad when I was watching that show, her and Starbuck obviously. :kiss: I need this. I need this in my life Bioware. That woman is just my type. If she was the inspiration for the character she could be any class and I wouldn't care if she was a squadmate or a crew. (I usually prefer squadies over crew/advisors because of content.) She equally terrified me and turned me on...
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 17, 2017 23:14:03 GMT
I see your milf ice queen and I raise you a war weary grizzled older femme KISA. I'd be happy with one of these types or both in an ideal world but, Sheryl must write them. I am ok with this, I think it is pretty rare to get a grizzled older KISA type. From the top of my head recently Ana from Overwatch but that is it. I think we need an older lesbian warrior/mage ASAP, gaycaravaggio is totally right. Also when I mean old, it is not my age old more like 40 or above. Don't get me wrong, Chee has written some most of my favorite characters and romances. I certainly don't think she had bad intentions, and my biggest issue with Suvi is that there simply isn't enough content for her. That's where most of the minor nitpicks with the character stem from. I tried a Peebee romance–I vastly prefer a squadmate LI to a shipmate LI–but for some reason she didn't click for me. It's weird because I figured someone who is basically Liara + Isabela would be a dream LI. Peebee is an amazing character, I like her romantic arc a lot too mostly because of the Isabela vibes for sure. A little flavor with the LIs is necessary too, even if I do not feel them personally. I still like to RP their romances with characters out of my comfort zone and Suvi is amazing for that. More diverse personalities but also content would be perfect if bioware really got out their asses to do something different. It's because I'm always right. JK, JK. Anyways, yeah, more variety is great. I hope now that we've had our religious f/f in DA and in ME that now they can avoid that trope in the future. I'm sort of religious myself, but it seems a bit like an excuse for some to "prove" said character shouldn't be gay/bi which is an argument I hate seeing around.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 17, 2017 23:24:54 GMT
Anyways, I love that lesbian Suvi who loves fucking women. While that's hot it's more of a fanart territory. It wouldn't really fit the tone of the game or Sheryl's writing. Isabela can be considered a 'whore' (Aveline friendship +15) yet even she wasn't explicitly shown as one. But you've missed my point. The problem isn't that she was made lesbian, rather that her 'exclusive' scenes were seemingly made by cutting Scott from the initially shared content. Anyways, I love that Suvi is a lesbian and that's not "sacrificing her on the altar of representation." Being gay is a plus, not a minus, buddy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 17, 2017 23:43:12 GMT
I am ok with this, I think it is pretty rare to get a grizzled older KISA type. From the top of my head recently Ana from Overwatch but that is it. I think we need an older lesbian warrior/mage ASAP, gaycaravaggio is totally right. Also when I mean old, it is not my age old more like 40 or above. Peebee is an amazing character, I like her romantic arc a lot too mostly because of the Isabela vibes for sure. A little flavor with the LIs is necessary too, even if I do not feel them personally. I still like to RP their romances with characters out of my comfort zone and Suvi is amazing for that. More diverse personalities but also content would be perfect if bioware really got out their asses to do something different. It's because I'm always right. JK, JK. Anyways, yeah, more variety is great. I hope now that we've had our religious f/f in DA and in ME that now they can avoid that trope in the future. I'm sort of religious myself, but it seems a bit like an excuse for some to "prove" said character shouldn't be gay/bi which is an argument I hate seeing around. Well, maybe not as the lesbian or the only bi female option. I'd like to have another religious character as an option. So for example say there is 3 f/f options, 1 lesbian and 2 bi, the lesbian and one of the bi LIs could be not and the other bi is. That's still a stupid argument though, the whole you can't be religious and *insert non-heterosexual orientation here*. That said, if they ever do do an asexual or demisexual character I don't want them to do the "wait until marriage" thing. Normally I'd be fine with that, but I'd rather have the first ace/demi character abstain because of their orientation not other factors like religion.
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Post by alessandra on Apr 18, 2017 2:16:13 GMT
Wow, that smarts a bit, I just saw how Gil reacts to Sara's poker flirt. Makes me a little more frustrated about how Suvi's reply to Scott was handled.
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Post by Walter Black on Apr 18, 2017 2:41:11 GMT
Regarding Suvi's faith, has anyone found anything on what it is exactly? What if instead of being Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etcetera, she subscribes to a fictional faith? Or what if her personal spirituality an ongoing process, not yet tied to any one specific dogma? If it turns out to an invented religion, would you consider that good universe building and way for any religious person to relate? Or a copout that denies that particular representation?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 2:52:03 GMT
Regarding Suvi's faith, has anyone found anything on what it is exactly? What if instead of being Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etcetera, she subscribes to a fictional faith? Or what if her personal spirituality an ongoing process, not yet tied to any one specific dogma? If it turns out to an invented religion, would you consider that good universe building and way for any religious person to relate? Or a copout that denies that particular representation? It is left vague enough that it doesn't really fit any specific religion exactly but can fit multiple religions, like the Abrahamic ones you listed for example. The two main things she talks about faith-wise is how there is a Creator who created the universe, and that this Creator gave his creations free agency to determine and follow their own paths.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 18, 2017 4:34:20 GMT
Wow, that smarts a bit, I just saw how Gil reacts to Sara's poker flirt. Makes me a little more frustrated about how Suvi's reply to Scott was handled. I hope that if Scott Ryder can flirt with her again in a sequel, that she's a little more direct about why she's rejecting him. Let her say she's a lesbian, Bioware!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 4:49:56 GMT
Wow, that smarts a bit, I just saw how Gil reacts to Sara's poker flirt. Makes me a little more frustrated about how Suvi's reply to Scott was handled. I hope that if Scott Ryder can flirt with her again in a sequel, that she's a little more direct about why she's rejecting him. Let her say she's a lesbian, Bioware! Doubtful, both since Sheryl Chee already stated that Suvi rejecting him the way she did was how she wanted to write the character but also I wouldn't be surprised if Suvi and the other MEA romances only continue if you import so flirts wouldn't come up even for new Sarahs.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 18, 2017 4:53:23 GMT
I hope that if Scott Ryder can flirt with her again in a sequel, that she's a little more direct about why she's rejecting him. Let her say she's a lesbian, Bioware! Doubtful, both since Sheryl Chee already stated that Suvi rejecting him the way she did was how she wanted to write the character but also I wouldn't be surprised if Suvi and the other MEA romances only continue if you import so flirts wouldn't come up even for new Sarahs. There's a difference between an initial rejection and a continued series of rejections. It's not OOC for a usually polite young lesbian to be more aggro about rejection after rejecting the same man multiple times. Meaning, if they bring her back in a sequel and have her reject Ryder again, it could potentially be less polite. I know many people in the same position would be. However, then again, we have no idea whether Chee would want to continue writing for the Mass Effect team after all the shenanigans that occurred. For all we know, Suvi might get a new writer for the next game who decides to take a different approach. That is, if they even have Suvi return at all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 4:56:28 GMT
Doubtful, both since Sheryl Chee already stated that Suvi rejecting him the way she did was how she wanted to write the character but also I wouldn't be surprised if Suvi and the other MEA romances only continue if you import so flirts wouldn't come up even for new Sarahs. There's a difference between an initial rejection and a continued series of rejections. It's not OOC for a usually polite young lesbian to be more aggro about rejection after rejecting the same man multiple times. Meaning, if they bring her back in a sequel and have her reject Ryder again, it could potentially be less polite. I know many people in the same position would be. However, then again, we have no idea whether Chee would want to continue writing for the Mass Effect team after all the shenanigans that occurred. For all we know, Suvi might get a new writer for the next game who decides to take a different approach. That is, if they even have Suvi return at all. I just don't think they are going to do that since across the board they made it so once rejected you can't flirt with that person anymore.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 18, 2017 4:59:04 GMT
There's a difference between an initial rejection and a continued series of rejections. It's not OOC for a usually polite young lesbian to be more aggro about rejection after rejecting the same man multiple times. Meaning, if they bring her back in a sequel and have her reject Ryder again, it could potentially be less polite. I know many people in the same position would be. However, then again, we have no idea whether Chee would want to continue writing for the Mass Effect team after all the shenanigans that occurred. For all we know, Suvi might get a new writer for the next game who decides to take a different approach. That is, if they even have Suvi return at all. I just don't think they are going to do that since across the board they made it so once rejected you can't flirt with that person anymore. Hopefully, that means that male Ryders will not have any options to flirt with her in sequels. For sequels, either they should have no flirting for her and male Ryder at all or her explicitly reject him in a way that has nothing to do with professionalism.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 5:01:28 GMT
I just don't think they are going to do that since across the board they made it so once rejected you can't flirt with that person anymore. Hopefully, that means that male Ryders will not have any options to flirt with her in sequels. For sequels, either they should have no flirting for her and male Ryder at all or her explicitly reject him in a way that has nothing to do with professionalism. Fair enough. Like I said before, I suspect any returning LIs will have it where the romance is only accessible if you import a MEA game where you started the romance leaving new players unable to flirt and romance those characters and instead the new ones.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 18, 2017 5:06:39 GMT
Hopefully, that means that male Ryders will not have any options to flirt with her in sequels. For sequels, either they should have no flirting for her and male Ryder at all or her explicitly reject him in a way that has nothing to do with professionalism. Fair enough. Like I said before, I suspect any returning LIs will have it where the romance is only accessible if you import a MEA game where you started the romance leaving new players unable to flirt and romance those characters and instead the new ones. I suspect that Suvi is the kind of person where if you didn't try to romance her early on when you first meet her, that it'll be less likely she'll want to get with you, since you're a coworker she's gotten used to seeing as a coworker (with professionalism being important to her and all). I hope that reasoning makes sense. On the other hand, I can see some characters still being interested in possibly pursuing someone they've worked with for years because a sense of trust has been built.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 5:14:30 GMT
Fair enough. Like I said before, I suspect any returning LIs will have it where the romance is only accessible if you import a MEA game where you started the romance leaving new players unable to flirt and romance those characters and instead the new ones. I suspect that Suvi is the kind of person where if you didn't try to romance her early on when you first meet her, that it'll be less likely she'll want to get with you, since you're a coworker she's gotten used to seeing as a coworker (with professionalism being important to her and all). I hope that reasoning makes sense. On the other hand, I can see some characters still being interested in possibly pursuing someone they've worked with for years because a sense of trust has been built.*prays the underlined happens with Lexi* I understand what you mean and I can see them having it be like that with the MEA LIs who aren't romanced by the time of MEA2 if we continue with Ryder. Maybe they'll even have it where some of the LIs if not romanced become involved with someone during the timeskip, like Suvi maybe starts dating Dr. Aridana if not in a relationship with Sarah.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Apr 18, 2017 5:43:56 GMT
Any good Sara/Suvi fan fiction out there?
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Post by davkar on Apr 18, 2017 5:52:15 GMT
Yeah, suuure. I guess the prima guide folks just have mad photoshopping skills or the dev team didn't get the memo*. The rejection was handled poorly. She should have just said 'not interested'. 'Professional' would mean professional and we wouldn't have to listen to her boring faith stuff. Sheryl might have envisioned her as an l-word but the way she's presented in the game just makes her not clarified/Sarasexual. Anyway the only reason I'd want her is because she looks cute. She doesn't have a sense of humor (remnant parties? nothing? cmon... ) and since that's a dealbreaker she's not a great loss. I'm glad that it wasn't Vetra who got sacrificed on the altar of representation.*I think that 'romance scene' with Scott was indeed in the game and prima's guide is accurate but the two together led to a "aargh, *panic!*, cut it, cut it!". That should have stayed in the game because it would have been the spending time together scene. Every other crewmember (-Kallo, the frog need one too) has a scene like this which can result in a romance lock or a simple friendly time. But thanks to laziness, lack off resource/interest it ended up as the 'sex scene' instead. Rofl, Jesus Christ, don't some people see how they come off on posts like this? Sorry for existing bro. Oh for... Existing is just fine. Highlighting parts of my post to take them out of context isn't. "She [Suvi] doesn't have a sense of humor and since that's a dealbreaker [ for me] she's not a great loss." ->Meaning Suvi is cute and all but she's not someone who's worth going to war waving #makesuvibi flags. "I'm glad that it wasn't Vetra who got sacrificed on the altar of representation." Sorry if you were offended by the wording, but it remains true. If it was a choice between Vetra and Suvi I'm glad that Vetra remained the both option. At one point, gameplay-wise Suvi was bi too - the prima guide is proof of that (likely a fall-January build). We can only guess the bts details of this. Disrespecting SC's vision for the character, conscious harem building for Scott, honest mistake by some animators, whatever. The fact remains that Suvi's exclusive scenes weren't made separately just for her rather it was the result of cutting Scott from shared scenes. I think it would have been preferable (replying to disgustednoise here too) to everyone if Suvi had her own garden scene (lab) with friendship or lock option and an actual sex scene after that. The Cora banging is a late? addition too, painfully obvious that it was made by a different animator/team. Here's hoping that in a citadel type dlc or in the sequel the now neglected romances get, if not an equal like the main 3, but a better treatment.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 5:58:02 GMT
I think it would have been preferable (replying to disgustednoise here too) to everyone if Suvi had her own garden scene (lab) with friendship or lock option and an actual sex scene after that. The Cora banging is a late? addition too, painfully obvious that it was made by a different animator/team. Here's hoping that in a citadel type dlc or in the sequel the now neglected romances get, if not an equal like the main 3, but a better treatment. Not for me. Also, I'm pretty sure the taking a break in your quarters with Suvi scene is supposed to be the garden scene equivalent.
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Post by davkar on Apr 18, 2017 6:25:49 GMT
I think it would have been preferable (replying to disgustednoise here too) to everyone if Suvi had her own garden scene (lab) with friendship or lock option and an actual sex scene after that. The Cora banging is a late? addition too, painfully obvious that it was made by a different animator/team. Here's hoping that in a citadel type dlc or in the sequel the now neglected romances get, if not an equal like the main 3, but a better treatment. Not for me. Also, I'm pretty sure the taking a break in your quarters with Suvi scene is supposed to be the garden scene equivalent. (What's wrong with that?) Fine, actual/optional sex scene. Like Cora and Jaal (but tie it to a left-right choice rather than an emotional/logical). Better?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 6:28:04 GMT
Not for me. Also, I'm pretty sure the taking a break in your quarters with Suvi scene is supposed to be the garden scene equivalent. (What's wrong with that?) Fine, actual/optional sex scene. Like Cora and Jaal (but tie it to a left-right choice rather than an emotional/logical). Better? If like Cora, better since each route got equal resources/content and both are respected. If like Jaal, not better since that was an insult and a lie.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Apr 18, 2017 6:56:26 GMT
(What's wrong with that?) Fine, actual/optional sex scene. Like Cora and Jaal (but tie it to a left-right choice rather than an emotional/logical). Better? If like Cora, better since each route got equal resources/content and both are respected. If like Jaal, not better since that was an insult and a lie. What happens with Jaal?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 6:59:19 GMT
If like Cora, better since each route got equal resources/content and both are respected. If like Jaal, not better since that was an insult and a lie. What happens with Jaal? The "non-sex" route gets practically no content compared to the sex route, most of what little there is just being reused dialogue and animations, and then immediately after that scene you get emails and conversations that explicitly talk about how you and Jaal had sex and the rest of the romance acts like you chose the sex route.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Apr 18, 2017 7:05:08 GMT
The "non-sex" route gets practically no content compared to the sex route, including just reusing dialogue and animations, and then immediately after that scene you get emails and conversations that explicitly talk about how you and Jaal had sex and the rest of the romance acts like you chose the sex route. Well that sucks considering it totally makes sense for Ryder to not wanna have sex right out the gate with a new alien species. Not to mention people who would rather be platonic to begin with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2017 7:11:48 GMT
The "non-sex" route gets practically no content compared to the sex route, including just reusing dialogue and animations, and then immediately after that scene you get emails and conversations that explicitly talk about how you and Jaal had sex and the rest of the romance acts like you chose the sex route. Well that sucks considering it totally makes sense for Ryder to not wanna have sex right out the gate with a new alien species. Not to mention people who would rather be platonic to begin with. Yeah. It's clear that that 'option' was an afterthought and I suspect it wouldn't even exist except they made a trailer-friendly version of his romance for the Sarah trailer and decided to put that into the game since they spent the resources on it.
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