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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 23, 2017 16:29:00 GMT
Interesting info about Suvi: Aboard the Tempest--the ship that players will use to travel around Andromeda's Helius Cluster--I encountered one such person: Suvi. She's staring out into the the depths of space and admiring the view. To her, the distant stars and majestic planetary bodies are "a constant reminder of the divine intelligence behind all of creation."
Like Thane, Suvi reconciles two parts of her that, to outsiders, seem contradictory: she's a woman of science, but also of faith. During our conversation she reveals science brings her closer to something greater than herself. She's lived her life having to justify these beliefs and needing to prove that her faith in the divine doesn't diminish her work as a scientist. Interesting. She seems very earnest. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 23, 2017 16:35:56 GMT
Interesting info about Suvi: Aboard the Tempest--the ship that players will use to travel around Andromeda's Helius Cluster--I encountered one such person: Suvi. She's staring out into the the depths of space and admiring the view. To her, the distant stars and majestic planetary bodies are "a constant reminder of the divine intelligence behind all of creation."
Like Thane, Suvi reconciles two parts of her that, to outsiders, seem contradictory: she's a woman of science, but also of faith. During our conversation she reveals science brings her closer to something greater than herself. She's lived her life having to justify these beliefs and needing to prove that her faith in the divine doesn't diminish her work as a scientist. Interesting. She seems very earnest. Yeah, already she has shot up to be among the characters I'm most interested in. Considering that she is religious, I wonder if she will be one of the nonsexual romances. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 23, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
Interesting. She seems very earnest. Yeah, already she has shot up to be among the characters I'm most interested in. Considering that she is religious, I wonder if she will be one of the nonsexual romances. That's a strange leap to make. Someone being religious isn't mutually exclusive with enjoying sex. Ashley Williams, for example, is pretty into sex. I don't see why Suvi wouldn't. If she is romanceable. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 23, 2017 16:43:09 GMT
Yeah, already she has shot up to be among the characters I'm most interested in. Considering that she is religious, I wonder if she will be one of the nonsexual romances. That's a strange leap to make. Someone being religious isn't mutually exclusive with enjoying sex. Ashley Williams, for example, is pretty into sex. I don't see why Suvi wouldn't. If she is romanceable. Well, some religions have it where sex should only come after marriage so I was thinking maybe she was one of those. I'm really just trying to find a nonsexual romance so my mind is making leaps I guess. |
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Post by merkit on Feb 23, 2017 16:44:13 GMT
From linkBut after a couple of flirty lines to Suvi, the Scottish pilot of the Tempest, she was already whispering “I like you back” under her breath rather than more realistic lines like “go away” or “seriously, please, go away, I hate you.” lol |
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Post by nxp5 on Feb 23, 2017 21:51:24 GMT
I went from YES to NO to maybe.... female human science officer = surefire human LI for my Ryder if available...
then religious beliefs were mentioned...
Now I need to know more details to know whether I should bother with her |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 23, 2017 21:55:30 GMT
I went from YES to NO to maybe.... female human science officer = surefire human LI for my Ryder if available...
then religious beliefs were mentioned...
Now I need to know more details to know whether I should bother with her It probably depends on the general writing on her. For me, I'm personally a little less enthusiastic after knowing she seems to immediately fall for Ryder after being flirted with. But I'm gonna wait and see how it shapes up. I have faith in her writer to write a good, solid character arc. |
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Post by trapkunoichi on Feb 23, 2017 22:32:12 GMT
Found information regarding Suvi from this website: www.pcgamesn.com/mass-effect-andromeda/mass-effect-andromeda-character-guideSuvi Anwar
Suvi is a young Scottish lady with ginger hair, and serves as the Tempest's science officer. She sits across the bridge from Kallo, gazing at the stars, and in one conversation during our hands-on, she spoke openly about her faith in an airy Scots' brogue. She sees science and religion as complementary, with the former as a means of understanding "the divine intelligence behind all of creation." Gamespot have a cool piece discussing her character's place in Mass Effect's tradition of philosophical discussions - it seems Andromeda will continue this, which is reassuring. |
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 23, 2017 23:00:56 GMT
I'm glad Bioware is continuing the tradition that both Mass Effect and Dragon Age have built up... it's refreshing to find such complexity in any entertainment these days where they actually deal with the issues around spirituality, science, and how they sometimes collide together and cause some friction.
Other RPGs out there seem to either duck it entirely or throw up the "SCREW YOU RELIGION!" banner and think they said something profound.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 23, 2017 23:29:36 GMT
Found information regarding Suvi from this website: www.pcgamesn.com/mass-effect-andromeda/mass-effect-andromeda-character-guideSuvi Anwar
Suvi is a young Scottish lady with ginger hair, and serves as the Tempest's science officer. She sits across the bridge from Kallo, gazing at the stars, and in one conversation during our hands-on, she spoke openly about her faith in an airy Scots' brogue. She sees science and religion as complementary, with the former as a means of understanding "the divine intelligence behind all of creation." Gamespot have a cool piece discussing her character's place in Mass Effect's tradition of philosophical discussions - it seems Andromeda will continue this, which is reassuring. Cool. |
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Post by Mad Cassidy on Feb 24, 2017 1:25:57 GMT
I'm glad Bioware is continuing the tradition that both Mass Effect and Dragon Age have built up... it's refreshing to find such complexity in any entertainment these days where they actually deal with the issues around spirituality, science, and how they sometimes collide together and cause some friction. Other RPGs out there seem to either duck it entirely or throw up the "SCREW YOU RELIGION!" banner and think they said something profound. Coming from the other side of this issue, I don't really find it a refreshing or complex take on a character at all. Rather, it seems to me a rather tired and irksome trope. Nor do I think your characterisation of other RPGs is entirely fair (or even remotely the case). I'm fine if they want to make a character who is a scientist and who is also theistic/spiritualistic, but I don't want it to turn into a case of 'teaching the controversy' or trying to justify faith with pseudo-intellectualism. Especially if that's the only true 'scientist' character they develop. I feel that would do a great disservice. I just hope they offer us a variety of ways to respond that aren't simplistic/facile and that don't give Suvi the final word on the matter. But then, I have my own biases, being an atheistic, materialist, rationalist who comes from a scientific background. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:26:07 GMT
So her name is Suvi Anwar?
Suvi is a Finnish first name. Anwar is an arabic last name. And she's got a Scottish brogue? And she's a redhead? And she's religious?
Is she a redheaded Finnish-Scottish Muslim? I'm absolutely fascinated with this intersection of traits.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 24, 2017 1:35:54 GMT
I'm glad Bioware is continuing the tradition that both Mass Effect and Dragon Age have built up... it's refreshing to find such complexity in any entertainment these days where they actually deal with the issues around spirituality, science, and how they sometimes collide together and cause some friction. Other RPGs out there seem to either duck it entirely or throw up the "SCREW YOU RELIGION!" banner and think they said something profound. Coming from the other side of this issue, I don't really find it a refreshing or complex take on a character at all. Rather, it seems to me a rather tired and irksome trope. Nor do I think your characterisation of other RPGs is entirely fair (or even remotely the case). I'm fine if they want to make a character who is a scientist and who is also theistic/spiritualist, but I don't want it to turn into a case of 'teaching the controversy' or trying to justify faith with pseudo-intellectualism. Especially if that's the only true 'scientist' character they develop. I feel that would do a great disservice. I just hope they offer us a variety of ways to respond that aren't simplistic/facile and that don't give Suvi the final word on the matter. But then, I have my own biases, being an atheistic, materialist, rationalist who comes from a scientific background. Considering we are already at an impasse with your use of "pseudo intellectualism", especially given my philosophical background, we are never going to agree on this subject. Though I will agree that they should give the player the option to react to it and never give a "this is THE answer". They did well in prior games so I expect this to be the case.
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Post by Command0rk on Feb 24, 2017 1:52:41 GMT
Great to see all these colourful characters within our crew. Suvi's been a highlight of all this news for me and I'll be lurking here quite a bit after release  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2017 2:43:28 GMT
Coming from the other side of this issue, I don't really find it a refreshing or complex take on a character at all. Rather, it seems to me a rather tired and irksome trope. Nor do I think your characterisation of other RPGs is entirely fair (or even remotely the case). I'm fine if they want to make a character who is a scientist and who is also theistic/spiritualist, but I don't want it to turn into a case of 'teaching the controversy' or trying to justify faith with pseudo-intellectualism. Especially if that's the only true 'scientist' character they develop. I feel that would do a great disservice. I just hope they offer us a variety of ways to respond that aren't simplistic/facile and that don't give Suvi the final word on the matter. But then, I have my own biases, being an atheistic, materialist, rationalist who comes from a scientific background. Considering we are already at an impasse with your use of "pseudo intellectualism", especially given my philosophical background, we are never going to agree on this subject. Though I will agree that they should give the player the option to react to it and never give a "this is THE answer". They did well in prior games so I expect this to be the case.
I expect it to be like Ashley in ME1, where you can either agree, be neutral, disagree politely, or disagree impolitely with their spiritual beliefs. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 2:44:28 GMT
You know, I didn't see anything in there about what religion she follows. I'm curious if it's not even a conventional religion we have in our time but some new space age-y religion.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 24, 2017 2:59:33 GMT
So her name is Suvi Anwar? Suvi is a Finnish first name. Anwar is an arabic last name. And she's got a Scottish brogue? And she's a redhead? And she's religious? Is she a redheaded Finnish-Scottish Muslim? I'm absolutely fascinated with this intersection of traits. Are you sure she's Muslim? I don't think we know her religion yet. I mean, she could be, but I don't think it has been revealed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 3:01:29 GMT
So her name is Suvi Anwar? Suvi is a Finnish first name. Anwar is an arabic last name. And she's got a Scottish brogue? And she's a redhead? And she's religious? Is she a redheaded Finnish-Scottish Muslim? I'm absolutely fascinated with this intersection of traits. Are you sure she's Muslim? I don't think we know her religion yet. I mean, she could be, but I don't think it has been revealed. Of course I'm not sure! We know almost nothing about her! I'm just spit-balling! |
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 24, 2017 3:05:36 GMT
Are you sure she's Muslim? I don't think we know her religion yet. I mean, she could be, but I don't think it has been revealed. Of course I'm not sure! We know almost nothing about her! I'm just spit-balling! Just checking. The Muslim thing was brought up before in the twitter thread based on an article written by a Muslim who liked her character. I just didn't know if I missed that she was actially confirmed muslim later by a dev. Especially with that last name. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 3:10:09 GMT
That's interesting that there was an article written by a muslim writer who liked her character. And she's religious. And she's got an arabic last name. I just think it would be interesting if she was a religion that we haven't had in the game yet. I'm not terribly interested in religion, but I've always found devout scientists to be interesting. I'm kind of looking forward to picking her brain a bit!
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 24, 2017 3:11:37 GMT
Interesting. Between this and SAM apparently philosophizing about existence it seems BioWare may be trying to go for more than bang bang and bangity-bangs. Now pretend I said that smartly and not smart-assedly  |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 24, 2017 4:09:10 GMT
Suvi sounds a lot like Traynor to me. She gives off an aura of innocence and idealism. She sounds incredibly cheerful, perhaps even naive. I'm curious whether or not she'll actually be a romance option. I'm not really getting that vibe, but who knows?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 4:11:16 GMT
Suvi sounds a lot like Traynor to me. She gives off an aura of innocence and idealism. She sounds incredibly cheerful, perhaps even naive. I'm curious whether or not she'll actually be a romance option. I'm not really getting that vibe, but who knows? Oh no... Please no.  I'm tired of the "naive young" f/f options... Please, Bioware. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2017 4:21:41 GMT
Suvi sounds a lot like Traynor to me. She gives off an aura of innocence and idealism. She sounds incredibly cheerful, perhaps even naive. I'm curious whether or not she'll actually be a romance option. I'm not really getting that vibe, but who knows? Oh no... Please no. I'm tired of the "naive young" f/f options... Please, Bioware. It's not like that is your only option. PeeBee certainly isn't that, Vetra isn't that. That's only one in three romances like that. You have options, and those who want that have an option. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 4:26:26 GMT
Oh no... Please no. I'm tired of the "naive young" f/f options... Please, Bioware. It's not like that is your only option. PeeBee certainly isn't that, Vetra isn't that. That's only one in three romances like that. You have options, and those who want that have an option. Nah, there's enough naive, young girl characters in media, imo. You're free to what you want, but I desperately do not want them continue the trend of the young, naive f/f options. |
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