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Post by amoebae on Feb 17, 2017 23:57:00 GMT
Earlier in the thread people were talking about how the pause mechanic has been removed. Is there a direct source for that? Because I'm reasonably certain that in a previous video (or comments by devs about a previous vid) they said you can still pause to issue commands but that you probably wouldn't want to because the combat has been designed to feel more fluid like ME3's MP. They said in a tweet some time ago (if i am not mistaken) that you can pause but can't issue commands to companions while doing it. Oh really? Interesting. I'm eager in that case to see what they'll say about squad commands in the next video then, because I can't wrap my head around how you're meant to set up combos and use your entire squad's powers effectively if you can't tell them what to use next. I have a vested interest in this question because I make extensive use of pause and feel like it's a waste of the skills system to not be able to micro-manage what skills are being used and when. |
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Post by ssanyesz on Feb 17, 2017 23:59:53 GMT
I like a lot of things way too many to list, and so far a few i don't:
- no time dilation for soldier and infiltrator
- only 3 powers
- didn't see any combat, defensive drones
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Do we get bonus powers from squad mates?
If i place constructs like assault turret, combat drone, remnant vi, barricade, etc then if i switch profile will they remain active, or will they disappear?
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 18, 2017 0:03:01 GMT
Does everyone prefer the 60fps for PC over the 30fps for console? I'm used to console for the ME series, but I have a pretty good PC. Torn on which to pre-order.
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 18, 2017 0:03:19 GMT
- no time dilation for soldier and infiltrator I'm not opposed to an optional upgrade that adds time dilation but only if it's optional because I completely loathe time dilation in Mass Effect 3. |
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Post by n7vakarian on Feb 18, 2017 0:03:57 GMT
Looks good and runs very smooth looking. Makes the wait all the longer. Well with luck the multiplayer beta will help. Ha if I get in it
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Post by kaind on Feb 18, 2017 0:05:57 GMT
That's not biotics being good, that's Acolyte being good. You can do the same by doing a spec for tech powers to damage armor / health and use the same acolyte. The strongest power in ME3 was Flamer, and it worked very well with acolyte. The strongest power in ME3 was Tactical Cloak by a small margin over Marksman and Adrenaline Rush. There's a reason why the fastest speed runs were almost always done by Geth Infiltrators. If we're talking straight damage abilities, Flamer can't clear a room like a well placed Reave + Cluster Grenade or a Drellguard Charge + Cluster Grenade. Grenade spam in general was OP. Even if we again take consumables out of the mix, Annihilation Field + Throw turns you into a biotic explosion machine gun that Flamer can only dream about keeping up with. If we're talking about the ability to wipe spawns in ME3 MP then we're talking grenades, Snap Freeze/Chain Overload, Annihilation Field/Throw, or Singularity/Shockwave. As good as Flamer was, biotic kits could most certainly hold their own against tech in ME3. CC was the only thing that was weak and it was weak across the board. The only use for CC was Stasis or Submission Net for people who struggle with Phantoms. I was talking about powers that deal damage yes, not powers that amplify weapon damage. I was talking about a single power not a combination of powers like Reave + Cluster, and Cluster is a consumable so yes it is very powerful. Even though Annihilation + Throw is a 2 power combo, again I am certain that you can take down things faster with a flamer. Annihilation + Throw was a very good way to kill lesser mobs fast but not as good vs tougher enemies. I'm pretty sure I would cook a banshee / atlas faster with flamer than with Annihilation + throw. It's been a very long time but as far as I remember Geth soldier was one of my go to for solo plat, I remember flamer killing every type of enemy pretty fast. |
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 18, 2017 0:06:39 GMT
Does everyone prefer the 60fps for PC over the 30fps for console? I'm used to console for the ME series, but I have a pretty good PC. Torn on which to pre-order. If you Google "60 FPS vs 30 FPS" you'll get plenty of videos that demonstrate the visual difference between the two. 60 tends to look a lot smoother when you see them side by side. However personally after gaming at 60 I simply just can't go back to 30 because games feel incredibly sluggish at 30 to me now on account of a lot of things being tied to the framerate, such as control input. Especially in a fast paced game like Mass Effect. That just demands a high framerate for me. |
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Post by amoebae on Feb 18, 2017 0:07:07 GMT
Does everyone prefer the 60fps for PC over the 30fps for console? I'm used to console for the ME series, but I have a pretty good PC. Torn on which to pre-order. I'd go PC for mods etc., regardless of the fps issue, if you're able. (I play on PC, and while 60fps is nice, I'm more than happy to sacrifice it for greater image quality because I take screenshots.) |
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 18, 2017 0:17:08 GMT
Does everyone prefer the 60fps for PC over the 30fps for console? I'm used to console for the ME series, but I have a pretty good PC. Torn on which to pre-order. If you Google "60 FPS vs 30 FPS" you'll get plenty of videos that demonstrate the visual difference between the two. 60 tends to look a lot smoother when you see them side by side. However personally after gaming at 60 I simply just can't go back to 30 because games feel incredibly sluggish at 30 to me now on account of a lot of things being tied to the framerate, such as control input. Especially in a fast paced game like Mass Effect. That just demands a high framerate for me. It's funny - I feel like the 30fps is more cinematic, looks more like a movie less like a game. I actually have a PS4, XB1 and a good PC. In general I only use the consoles for exclusives, but, I have some affinity for my XBX since that's what I played the original trilogy on. If I care about MP, will playing on PC vs console matter? I usually don't care for MP but who knows, ME3 was decent. Also I would play on a 360 controller even if I got it for PC. I got DA:I on PC, but this time, I'm not sure. |
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 18, 2017 0:18:48 GMT
I was talking about powers that deal damage yes, not powers that amplify weapon damage. I was talking about a single power not a combination of powers like Reave + Cluster, and Cluster is a consumable so yes it is very powerful. Even though Annihilation + Throw is a 2 power combo, again I am certain that you can take down things faster with a flamer. Annihilation + Throw was a very good way to kill lesser mobs fast but not as good vs tougher enemies. I'm pretty sure I would cook a banshee / atlas faster with flamer than with Annihilation + throw. It's been a very long time but as far as I remember Geth soldier was one of my go to for solo plat, I remember flamer killing every type of enemy pretty fast. If we're talking damage in a single ability then Smash and Dark Sphere both do respectably. Dark Channel as well, but that's over a fairly lengthy amount of time. It's also a pretty unfair way to judge the worth of an entire class of abilities in a game that placed a massive emphasis on spamming combos over raw power damage. Powers didn't do solid damage in their own right until MP DLC. Even Incinerate does laughable damage on Gold/Plat against an armoured target compared to any of the heavy hitters or combo spam. Annihilation Field + Throw still does a lot of damage to bosses provided you can dance in and out of the field quickly. Geth Soldier is a very solid character(which is also equal parts thanks to Fortification and Geth Hunter Mode as it is to Flamer) but so is a number of the biotic kits like the N7 Fury and the Drellguard. Cluster Grenade is technically a consumable but in talking ME3 MP you can restock grenades extremely easily. Novaguard also deserves a mention on account of it being nearly impossible to die outside of sync kills if played well. Not exactly top tier DPS by itself(though Nova could knock out the trash mobs pretty good), but great durability thanks to abuse of immunity frames. |
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 18, 2017 0:24:46 GMT
If you Google "60 FPS vs 30 FPS" you'll get plenty of videos that demonstrate the visual difference between the two. 60 tends to look a lot smoother when you see them side by side. However personally after gaming at 60 I simply just can't go back to 30 because games feel incredibly sluggish at 30 to me now on account of a lot of things being tied to the framerate, such as control input. Especially in a fast paced game like Mass Effect. That just demands a high framerate for me. It's funny - I feel like the 30fps is more cinematic, looks more like a movie less like a game. I actually have a PS4, XB1 and a good PC. In general I only use the consoles for exclusives, but, I have some affinity for my XBX since that's what I played the original trilogy on. If I care about MP, will playing on PC vs console matter? I usually don't care for MP but who knows, ME3 was decent. Also I would play on a 360 controller even if I got it for PC. I got DA:I on PC, but this time, I'm not sure. I do not own a gaming PC, and played the OT exclusively on Xbox like you. In order of preference, I'd select: PC, PS4, Xbox1. Assuming you have a comfortable setup and decent monitor (quality of life concerns), you're going to get the best experience on PC. I don't have to list all the reasons why, right? Peak performance is within your grasp, as are mods. Of the two consoles, PS4 gives the better experience by a small margin. If you're seriously on the fence, make the switch to PC, man, so you can look down on us console peasants. |
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 18, 2017 0:28:56 GMT
If you Google "60 FPS vs 30 FPS" you'll get plenty of videos that demonstrate the visual difference between the two. 60 tends to look a lot smoother when you see them side by side. However personally after gaming at 60 I simply just can't go back to 30 because games feel incredibly sluggish at 30 to me now on account of a lot of things being tied to the framerate, such as control input. Especially in a fast paced game like Mass Effect. That just demands a high framerate for me. It's funny - I feel like the 30fps is more cinematic, looks more like a movie less like a game. I actually have a PS4, XB1 and a good PC. In general I only use the consoles for exclusives, but, I have some affinity for my XBX since that's what I played the original trilogy on. If I care about MP, will playing on PC vs console matter? I usually don't care for MP but who knows, ME3 was decent. Also I would play on a 360 controller even if I got it for PC. I got DA:I on PC, but this time, I'm not sure. I never really got the whole cinematic feel since to me all I see at 60 is that the game both looks much smoother and feels much more responsive compared to it at 30. I'd watch movies in 60 FPS if I had that option more often. In terms of MP it's hard to say this far out. ME3 MP had a few minor differences that came as a result of the framerate(Enemies were much more accurate at 60 FPS for example), but we don't know if BioWare is going to tie the same things to the framerate since ME:A uses a new engine. I suppose it comes down to how much 30 FPS bothers you. It bothers me a great deal to have to play game it in to the point that I'll take reduced visuals at 60 FPS over a higher resolution at 30. Most people probably aren't going to be bothered quite as much as I am though =P |
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Post by LuckyFatCat on Feb 18, 2017 0:29:41 GMT
Another bad thing from this trailer: the guy keeps quickscoping everything. No bloom, minimal recoil. Quickscope after quickscope. Great gunplay. I think they were using the N7 Valiant (at least during part of it), and if I remember correctly--the Valiant had little recoil and bloom, it also looked like it had some mods attached which may have helped in those areas. |
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Post by kaind on Feb 18, 2017 0:31:01 GMT
I was talking about powers that deal damage yes, not powers that amplify weapon damage. I was talking about a single power not a combination of powers like Reave + Cluster, and Cluster is a consumable so yes it is very powerful. Even though Annihilation + Throw is a 2 power combo, again I am certain that you can take down things faster with a flamer. Annihilation + Throw was a very good way to kill lesser mobs fast but not as good vs tougher enemies. I'm pretty sure I would cook a banshee / atlas faster with flamer than with Annihilation + throw. It's been a very long time but as far as I remember Geth soldier was one of my go to for solo plat, I remember flamer killing every type of enemy pretty fast. If we're talking damage in a single ability then Smash and Dark Sphere both do respectably. Dark Channel as well, but that's over a fairly lengthy amount of time. It's also a pretty unfair way to judge the worth of an entire class of abilities in a game that placed a massive emphasis on spamming combos over raw power damage. Powers didn't do solid damage in their own right until MP DLC. Even Incinerate does laughable damage on Gold/Plat against an armoured target compared to any of the heavy hitters or combo spam. Annihilation Field + Throw still does a lot of damage to bosses provided you can dance in and out of the field quickly. Geth Soldier is a very solid character(which is also equal parts thanks to Fortification and Geth Hunter Mode as it is to Flamer) but so is a number of the biotic kits like the N7 Fury and the Drellguard. Cluster Grenade is technically a consumable but in talking ME3 MP you can restock grenades extremely easily. Novaguard also deserves a mention on account of it being nearly impossible to die outside of sync kills if played well. Not exactly top tier DPS by itself(though Nova could knock out the trash mobs pretty good), but great durability thanks to abuse of immunity frames. This whole conversation actually started with me talking about how most biotic powers become useless when you are dealing with armor / shields. ( On their own ) It's all about Primer => Detonator when it comes to biotics, powers lose all individuality, you could replace throw in Fury with ANY other biotic detonator and it would be almost exactly the same. The reason I mentioned Flamer is because it is a standalone power that packs a punch. |
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 18, 2017 0:47:18 GMT
I'm not satisfied with the gun sounds, the guns go waaay to much PEW PEW PEW like an airsoft gun instead of .... They've got no ooomph behind them, even the mattock sounds so neutered and way worse than in ME3 and ME3....  |
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Post by Cypher on Feb 18, 2017 0:48:54 GMT
That's not biotics being good, that's Acolyte being good. You can do the same by doing a spec for tech powers to damage armor / health and use the same acolyte. The strongest power in ME3 was Flamer, and it worked very well with acolyte. The strongest power in ME3 was Tactical Cloak by a small margin over Marksman and Adrenaline Rush. There's a reason why the fastest speed runs were almost always done by Geth Infiltrators. If we're talking straight damage abilities, Flamer can't clear a room like a well placed Reave + Cluster Grenade or a Drellguard Charge + Cluster Grenade. Grenade spam in general was OP.Even if we again take consumables out of the mix, Annihilation Field + Throw turns you into a biotic explosion machine gun that Flamer can only dream about keeping up with. If we're talking about the ability to wipe spawns in ME3 MP then we're talking grenades, Snap Freeze/Chain Overload, Annihilation Field/Throw, or Singularity/Shockwave. As good as Flamer was, biotic kits could most certainly hold their own against tech in ME3. CC was the only thing that was weak and it was weak across the board. The only use for CC was Stasis or Submission Net for people who struggle with Phantoms. Man, this is the truth. The first time I got the N7 Demolisher Engineer, I soloed two brutes in a matter of seconds with the Cerberus Harier/ supply depot/grenade spam combo. I don't think I've ever felt more OP. |
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 18, 2017 0:57:53 GMT
It's funny - I feel like the 30fps is more cinematic, looks more like a movie less like a game. I actually have a PS4, XB1 and a good PC. In general I only use the consoles for exclusives, but, I have some affinity for my XBX since that's what I played the original trilogy on. If I care about MP, will playing on PC vs console matter? I usually don't care for MP but who knows, ME3 was decent. Also I would play on a 360 controller even if I got it for PC. I got DA:I on PC, but this time, I'm not sure. I do not own a gaming PC, and played the OT exclusively on Xbox like you. In order of preference, I'd select: PC, PS4, Xbox1. Assuming you have a comfortable setup and decent monitor (quality of life concerns), you're going to get the best experience on PC. I don't have to list all the reasons why, right? Peak performance is within your grasp, as are mods. Of the two consoles, PS4 gives the better experience by a small margin. If you're seriously on the fence, make the switch to PC, man, so you can look down on us console peasants. Good points thanks - I guess also part of it is that I have a 30" monitor and a 42" TV (where the consoles are.) I guess I could route my PC to my TV if I wanted to, but I'm at 2560x1600 on PC monitor. Can I ask which poor console you are using?  |
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Post by rolandx on Feb 18, 2017 1:06:48 GMT
One last try on the guns issue: It's the late 22nd Century. Plus 30 years since First Contact. (Well, okay, in Andromeda it's the 28th Century, but 600 years in cryo-sleep don't improve the tech.) They shoot metal micro-pellets ripped off of an ammo "block," then propelled by magic science to insane speeds. Thermal clips mimic ammunition limits without actually being ammunition (if you really hate heat sinks). ME firearms are not going to look, sound, or react like they did/do in the early 21st.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 18, 2017 1:11:23 GMT
I never really got the whole cinematic feel since to me all I see at 60 is that the game both looks much smoother and feels much more responsive compared to it at 30. I'd watch movies in 60 FPS if I had that option more often. This is a live issue in cinema now. A lot of viewers want to keep the old framerate. I guess it's because they're used to it, and associate it with the great films. |
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Post by Fiery Phoenix on Feb 18, 2017 1:12:27 GMT
Gameplay looks so fun.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 18, 2017 1:14:02 GMT
Man, I can't get over how smooth that flip over cover is. Superfluous and tactically stupid, sure. But it's dope, so I don't care.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 18, 2017 1:18:55 GMT
Does everyone prefer the 60fps for PC over the 30fps for console? I'm used to console for the ME series, but I have a pretty good PC. Torn on which to pre-order. console is better. it's always better to play games on low resolution at really low frame rates. the latest consoles are fitted with 8 year old hardware that is capable of playing games at a maximum of 20 frames per second, so you should definitely go for that. moreover, using a controller is so much better than using a mouse and keyboard because the controller will allow you to aim much more easily and will massively enhance your gaming experience. the mouse makes aiming really difficult and the high frame rates and high resolution on pc give you an inferior gaming experience. |
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Post by snook on Feb 18, 2017 1:21:07 GMT
It's funny - I feel like the 30fps is more cinematic, looks more like a movie less like a game. I actually have a PS4, XB1 and a good PC. In general I only use the consoles for exclusives, but, I have some affinity for my XBX since that's what I played the original trilogy on. If I care about MP, will playing on PC vs console matter? I usually don't care for MP but who knows, ME3 was decent. Also I would play on a 360 controller even if I got it for PC. I got DA:I on PC, but this time, I'm not sure. I never really got the whole cinematic feel since to me all I see at 60 is that the game both looks much smoother and feels much more responsive compared to it at 30. I'd watch movies in 60 FPS if I had that option more often. In terms of MP it's hard to say this far out. ME3 MP had a few minor differences that came as a result of the framerate(Enemies were much more accurate at 60 FPS for example), but we don't know if BioWare is going to tie the same things to the framerate since ME:A uses a new engine. I suppose it comes down to how much 30 FPS bothers you. It bothers me a great deal to have to play game it in to the point that I'll take reduced visuals at 60 FPS over a higher resolution at 30. Most people probably aren't going to be bothered quite as much as I am though =P After so long PC gaming, anything less than 60 tends to make my eyes ache. Hell, I get triggered when a game dips to 49 FPS. That's almost worse than 30. Like 60, but not. Painful. |
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Feb 18, 2017 1:21:09 GMT
Just call me Oprah, because once I have one, in MP imma look at all my characters and go YOU GET A KROGAN HAMMER, AND YOU GET A KROGAN HAMMER, AND YOU GET A KROGAN HAMMER, EVERYONE GETS KROGAN HAMMERS!
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 18, 2017 1:34:30 GMT
If we're talking damage in a single ability then Smash and Dark Sphere both do respectably. Dark Channel as well, but that's over a fairly lengthy amount of time. It's also a pretty unfair way to judge the worth of an entire class of abilities in a game that placed a massive emphasis on spamming combos over raw power damage. Powers didn't do solid damage in their own right until MP DLC. Even Incinerate does laughable damage on Gold/Plat against an armoured target compared to any of the heavy hitters or combo spam. Annihilation Field + Throw still does a lot of damage to bosses provided you can dance in and out of the field quickly. Geth Soldier is a very solid character(which is also equal parts thanks to Fortification and Geth Hunter Mode as it is to Flamer) but so is a number of the biotic kits like the N7 Fury and the Drellguard. Cluster Grenade is technically a consumable but in talking ME3 MP you can restock grenades extremely easily. Novaguard also deserves a mention on account of it being nearly impossible to die outside of sync kills if played well. Not exactly top tier DPS by itself(though Nova could knock out the trash mobs pretty good), but great durability thanks to abuse of immunity frames. This whole conversation actually started with me talking about how most biotic powers become useless when you are dealing with armor / shields. ( On their own ) It's all about Primer => Detonator when it comes to biotics, powers lose all individuality, you could replace throw in Fury with ANY other biotic detonator and it would be almost exactly the same. The reason I mentioned Flamer is because it is a standalone power that packs a punch. Well to be fair in the base game abilities both biotic and tech suffered from low overall power damage, but Warp -> Throw was still the best "caster" setup over anything an Engineer could do. Incinerate just did laughable damage against armour on its own, leaving them to be only worthwhile at removing shields/barriers with Overload and Energy Drain(which kept up because of their natural 3x multipliers against those defenses). Once you get into DLC we do start seeing some new abilities. Admittedly Lash is just "Pull but we fixed it being useless" but you've still got Smash, Biotic Orbs, Dark Sphere, Biotic Sphere, and Annihilation Field. Two of those abilities are pretty hard hitters in their own right as well. Half the reason the Flamer is so good on the Geth Trooper is because of Hunter Mode and Fortification giving it crazy buffs, which is where we see the real weakness of raw damage in biotic kits come in: None of the biotic kits got a 3 power super synergy with buffs like the Geth Trooper has where 2 abilities serve only to make your 3rd ability even better. The closest we come is Biotic Charge->Smash which does actually do a pretty good amount of damage. The Asari Huntress could make Dark Channel do some pretty hefty damage per second as well against armour and barriers. When we look at the Vorcha Soldier who got Flamer first but didn't have that powerhouse synergy, it wasn't nearly as popular. Not even before the Geth Trooper showed up. You talk about how potent Flamer is, but the reality is that it needed to be held up by other abilties and the Acolyte in order to truly shine. Of course that wont be an issue in ME:A. If a "fire and forget" ability makes everything else OP, you can just take that ability and use it with your biotics. Though I wont deny that combo spam was paramount for most biotic kits. It was also that way for most tech kits as well or they did a weapons build and only used things like Cryo Blast to boost their damage. The Geth Hunter was a bit of an exception in that he had a power with good DPS in its own right when synergized with his other 2 abilities. |
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