You know....the constant complaining towards Sara's face is getting to be kinda offensive.

I think the biggest issues are because of two things.

- The facial animations aren't really great.

- Her grey eye colour enhances her soulless look.

I don't want to be that guy, but take a look at the Witcher 3 facial animations and compared it with Andromeda so far.

Ya no.... i really hope we can edit the default, you could in DA:I but they never had a defined look, just various presets... i just wanna give her darker irises, deeper blue or maybe a dark brown, i think she would look soooo much better with brown eyes. 

Believe me people are just the facial animation as an opportunity to thrash the game

When you have things like this: thegg.net/opinion-editorial/why-does-mass-effect-andromedas-female-characters-look-so-ugly-bioware-sjwi-design-101/

It makes me feel that the the criticism feels petty and vindictive. 

and this is my frst post here...
Apologies for jumping in, but where exactly did they confirm that we cannot edit default faces? Just searched the twitter, did not find anything indicating that. Could you be so kind to link it?

That kind of filth didn't come from here, though. This new BSN is surprisingly well behaved. We seem to have lost a lot of degenerates during the rebirth. If someone here posted that tripe, I'd have posted something decidedly on the OP's side, or just abstained and watched the rage.

Instead, people seem to have gotten hot and bothered reading too much inflammatory garbage like that elsewhere, and then came to the BSN ready to be "triggered" by legitimate criticism of the game itself. I won't defend people using overly harsh language, or provocative wording like "OMG, Sara's ugly". I saw a majority of people getting stonewalled, interrupted, etc... when they tried to critique BioWare's scan and animations. Every discussion of the topic that I saw seemed be getting interrupted by angry, ranting interlopers from beyond the ongoing discussion thread.

Standing in the way of valid criticism is never helpful. More importantly in this case, perhaps, is that the well intentioned people who are getting so upset are needlessly alienating people who are generally amiable to their views on equality and justice. Some people are so sensitive to perceived injustice that they sometimes jump the gun, seeing a battlefield and going on the attack when there's no battle to be fought. It happens often on the BSN.

This seemed like a topic which was hot enough to provoke a strong opinion in me, but not so hot that I'd be speaking on enraged, deaf ears if I jumped in and shared. It's definitely been worthwhile.

Belated welcome, or welcome into the light (from shadowy lurking), at least! 

I reviewed it, and it looks like it's not 100% dev confirmed, as of yet.

We got our info from of shinobi602's NeoGAF posts. If you aren't familiar with him, he's a known "insider" who generally does get the gist of things correct when he makes predictions. I'm not sure I've ever seen him make an outright statement that proved to be wrong. In the post linked below, he states outright that we cannot edit either twin's default appearance.

bsn.boards.net/post/303551/thread

After seeing this, most everyone just accepted what we'd already known was coming.   You could always hold out hope, I guess, but shinobi has actually been hands-on with the game. I doubt he'd risk his reputation on this. I do recommend taking his predictions with a grain of salt, but I think this statement is nearly certainly true.

For me, it's not the issue that people don't like how Sara looks that bothers me really. Well, a little I suppose (but only those who describe her as "grotesque" or the like). Personally I think Sara looks average or a little plain at worst though I agree she's more cute/girl-next-door than supermodel material. Her animations and facial expressions are wonky and that's a criticism that's easy to accept, it's when people start talking about her appearance as though she's on the level of Gollum that it gets a little harder.

I can understand that not everyone will like her face (even if the animations were better) but there's a wide range of "attractiveness". Some of the people that dislike Sara's face (certainly not all) appear to only see two levels of attractiveness: the female character is either "grotesque" or a "goddess of beauty" and there is nothing in between.

If it was only Sara that was put under such scrutiny for her appearance many would just sigh and move on but it's not just her. Cora and Peebee (she was compared to Shrek) have been under much more scrutiny than any male character and I think most of us (that aren't newbies) remember how the Dragon Age ladies were treated. There's a difference between "I don't like the way this character looks" and "I refuse to admit this is even a female character". People were complaining about Isabella's looks in DA2 and I saw a post on the old official forum (not the shiny new one they closed down, the one before that) from David Gaider that said people complained about Morrigan and Leliana's attractiveness too. Almost every single major female character gets put under a glass and called ugly if they don't conform to a standard of beauty that is ridiculously high. For one character that wouldn't matter much, but when it's so many it gets tiring and annoying.

In short: So from my view, it's not that people dislike her looks that's the annoying part. It's that some people have such a high standard for the looks of female characters that they shit all over anyone who is less than flawless and this is something that happens to all major female characters in pretty much all games.

But she's a model!

But as I've been saying all along, it was the eyes. Bioware fixed the eyes, now there's no issues.

To be quite honest, some individuals are just sexist. Beauty is an entirely subjective matter and it's impossible, and quite frankly silly, for anyone to try and suggest their "standard" for beauty is better than anybody else. I actually appreciate BioWare's commitment to trying to create authentic and realistic looking individuals. They aren't going the Hollywood or anime route where they have super models or "pretty people" on every corner. BioWare tries to replicate real life, to an extent, for that extra amount of immersion and believability. I've never had an issue with the way any of the males or females have looked in BioWare games. Some folks just seem to complain for the sake of complaining. These games still sell extraordinarily well and BioWare has a huge fan base, so I figure most people aren't all that upset with how these characters end up looking.

It is down to the skill of the animators, for Sara, I think.

People are talking about that smile in the latest video. You can see what the issue is immediately: the lower lip is too low, showing off the bottom teeth more than you would ordinarily see, and the teeth themselves, top row and bottom, meet perfectly clamped together in the middle. It adds to the impression that her lower jaw juts forward (not that it naturally sits that way, but that she is pushing it forward), and makes her smile seem quite forced. At the same time, her mouth barely moves in that piece of footage, which will exacerbate the impression - it should be said that it's a very short piece of footage and certainly won't be indicative of how her mouth animates all the time, but it's unfortunate for BW that the footage is so short and that it's that little bit, because it only draws attention to it.

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I'm annoyed that I feel like I should add, my comments are in no way about Sara's beauty. I fall very squarely in that group of people many would call "one of those evil Sarkesian feminist SJWs" - quite proudly so, in fact - and I don't give a single fuck about how pretty or average or plain or dazzling Sara is. My only interest in this is in how and why something feels jarring to the viewer, which in this case is because of the above.

Come on; you know that's not the complaint in 98% of the posts on this site. That trash is bandied about a lot, as kali073 just eloquently stated; but it really hasn't been happening here nearly at all. People are seeing it elsewhere, getting pissed, and coming here ready to fight.

What's been happening here on the BSN is that posts like yours are being dropped right into the middle of discussions about animation. I'm all for stomping out injustice and calling bullies on their BS, but people need to make sure there's actually a bully around before they start getting hot and getting snarky.

Honest question: Did you actually read any of the last 5 to 10 pages before coming up with the above post? If so, I'm not sure how you're still thinking this environment is so hostile.