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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Feb 19, 2017 4:17:24 GMT
Didn't you hear? Every human in Andromeda, no matter the skin color, is a Slav. Hi Dutch TM.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 19, 2017 9:07:27 GMT
Didn't you hear? Every human in Andromeda, no matter the skin color, is a Slav. Hi Dutch TM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 10:38:13 GMT
First: Hi Dutch! Second: I think it should be fairly diverse. From what I've seen, counting the NPCs ( not player or squadmates) I spotted at least six people with darker skin. And about five maybe six people with lighter skin tones. I gathered some screengrabs I took off of YouTube, of everyone I could find with the exception of Kallo Jath's blonde female co-pilot because I couldn't find her. But if they start making test tube babies, I hope that make every ethnicity look the same. A totally new ethnicity that looks like Sectoids from XCOM, that way we Star-Bellied Sneetches can stop hating each other, and start worrying about the aliens that want us to surrender or burn! EDIT: Also, Reyes is a Hispanic name and Jien sounds Asian. From what is shown, there is a sense of small Hispanic dominance among humans. But we only seen very handful of unmasked and named humans so far, however. But in general, yeah, no white European dominance clearly. I'm white, but I honestly don't care who shows dominance in Mass Effect. I like to think that by 2185 CE, the Human race has risen above seeing each other as different colors (or lack thereof), and realized that there are things far more alien than the people that live north/south/east/west etc. I mean come on, people! We're so much better than that! If history has taught us anything: it's that we're stronger and at our best, when we work together!
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 19, 2017 10:39:20 GMT
From what is shown, there is a sense of small Hispanic dominance among humans. But we only seen very handful of unmasked and named humans so far, however. But in general, yeah, no white European dominance clearly. I'm white, but I honestly don't care who shows dominance in Mass Effect. I like to think that by 2185 CE, the Human race has risen above seeing each other as different colors (or lack thereof), and realized that there are things far more alien than the people that live north/south/east/west etc. I mean come on, people! We're so much better than that! If history has taught us anything: it's that we're stronger and at our best, when we work together! Nah man, being divided and weaker is much more fun! /s
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 10:41:48 GMT
I'm white, but I honestly don't care who shows dominance in Mass Effect. I like to think that by 2185 CE, the Human race has risen above seeing each other as different colors (or lack thereof), and realized that there are things far more alien than the people that live north/south/east/west etc. I mean come on, people! We're so much better than that! If history has taught us anything: it's that we're stronger and at our best, when we work together! Nah man, being divided and weaker is much more fun! /s Yeah. Guess it makes for a better story. Then you need a hero to bring them all together! We miss you Shepard!
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Post by jrpN7 on Feb 19, 2017 11:12:25 GMT
EDIT: Also, Reyes is a Hispanic name and Jien sounds Asian. Spanish ≠ Hispanic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
EDIT: Also, Reyes is a Hispanic name and Jien sounds Asian. Spanish ≠ Hispanic Not really sure what that symbol in the middle means. Are you saying " Spanish doesn't equal out to be Hispanic"? My bad. Not trying to be offensive, but some times race terms confuse me. There are so many! Because the definition of Hispanic is: His·pan·ic/hiˈspanik/adjective: Hispanic 1. relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America. relating to Spanish-speaking people or their culture, especially in the US. noun: Hispanic; plural noun: Hispanics 1. a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:37:45 GMT
but some times race terms confuse me. There are so many! I've heard of 'pit stop', 'pole position', and 'Silverstone'. I don't know what they mean, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:48:07 GMT
Not really sure what that symbol in the middle means. Are you saying "Spanish doesn't equal out to be Hispanic"? My bad. Not trying to be offensive, but some times race terms confuse me. There are so many! I've heard of 'pit stop', 'pole position', and 'Silverstone'. I don't know what they mean, though. Don't mind me, but I added the rest of my comment to your quote of me. Y'know, to me make me sound like less of a dick.
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Post by wolfsite on Feb 19, 2017 14:03:20 GMT
Hi Dutch
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2017 10:04:28 GMT
From what is shown, there is a sense of small Hispanic dominance among humans. But we only seen very handful of unmasked and named humans so far, however. But in general, yeah, no white European dominance clearly. I'm white, but I honestly don't care who shows dominance in Mass Effect. I like to think that by 2185 CE, the Human race has risen above seeing each other as different colors (or lack thereof), and realized that there are things far more alien than the people that live north/south/east/west etc. I mean come on, people! We're so much better than that! If history has taught us anything: it's that we're stronger and at our best, when we work together! Ha! That's a good joke!
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2017 10:07:08 GMT
Clearly the White-Nationalist movement gainend a lot of ground in the Mass Effect storyline. Either that or European peoples turned succesfully towards cloning. Actually that be a great storyline for a potentional spin-off, the inner struggles of humanity not involving Cerberus. Cerberus are nothing but a bunch of space-faring Neo Nazis that wants to stay in power.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 7, 2017 10:40:40 GMT
Hi dutch™
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 7, 2017 16:44:34 GMT
So 20k humans, and a few more in the nexus pods. You think they'll mostly be of white European stock/origin? Evenly dispersed and divided amongst all races? How much black and East Asian people will the AI take in? If humans in andromeda resort to cloning or test tube babies what race will they mostly be? Will they all end up looking like Goobacks 100 years after they've reach andromeda? They'll keep most of the non-whites in cryo. So rest assured that the cryo chambers are very diversely populated.
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 7, 2017 16:45:28 GMT
Doesn't really matter id say. What race would you happen to be?
Yes, for the question it does matter.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 7, 2017 19:12:59 GMT
Doesn't really matter id say. What race would you happen to be?
Yes, for the question it does matter.
I disagree on that. If you really care, I am white.
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Post by Serza on Mar 7, 2017 19:18:13 GMT
None of you bosh'tets sufficiently fear the Slavic ethnicum.
Consider. The only times the Russians, largest Slavic country in the world, was fucked, was when OTHER Slavic countries decided to fuck with them. Now, in order to show just how much you should fear us, our ancestors turned a Crusade into a rout. How?
Yes. That's all it took.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 7, 2017 19:28:42 GMT
I've gotten numbed to this sort of talk after having spent so much time on the internet in the last couple of years... or just in the world I'm sure considering it's supposed to be representative of a future almost 200 years from now, that the group of humans on average in such an establishment as Ai is going to be pretty diverse. Not just diverse american guys but also asian attendees and european as well as middle-eastern people. That's the wonderful thing about a contemporary sci-fi setting that depicts a far future. You can really play around with things like this without being forced by certain lore-rules unless you've set those up of course. I honestly had a problem with how liberally DA:I depicted sexuality and race when so much of DA:O and DA2 focused on the tension and oppression of especially Dragon Age's version of diversity which is elves vs humans vs mages vs templars and stuff. I'm not asking for those characters to throw stones at people who don't have white skin, but the whole "Hi I'm transsexual, I'm with the Qun, and you have to refer to me with a male pronoun!" and "My father didn't want a gay boy so I was forced into marriage because Tevinter is evil!" was pretty darn preachy for a series that used to be more in-line with its own lore. I don't doubt Tevinter is evil, but to highlight homosexuality and make it sound like the cliche "My father won't recognize me because I came out as gay" was a bit too suburbian and not-Dragon-Agey to be Dragon Age IMO. Mass Effect has always felt more like "real life" in depiction if you get what I mean. I think I would be more accepting of it here, especially because "Daddy Issues(TM)" is such a trope. DAI was so weird in its gender and sexuality themes. In the previous DA games, it was just considered normal. "Yup, dudes bang dudes and we have lesbian queens and no one fucking cares." It was never pointed out and was just treated as regular, which is a really nuanced take on it. Then in DAI, and the book about Orlais, they get meta with real world stuff where all of a sudden sexuality diversity wasn't the norm anymore. All of a sudden, gay was "bad" to generate cheap heat for "villains" and stuff. Was so weird playing Celine and Dorian's quest lines with the homosexuality is actually okay stuff as the driver, when the previous 2 games had already well established that no one in Thedas cares and it was cool to be as gay as you want. I actually think it ended up neutering the racial tensions in the game, which were always super interesting, with an equality message that breaks it's own in-universe social dynamics.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 7, 2017 19:31:55 GMT
I've gotten numbed to this sort of talk after having spent so much time on the internet in the last couple of years... or just in the world I'm sure considering it's supposed to be representative of a future almost 200 years from now, that the group of humans on average in such an establishment as Ai is going to be pretty diverse. Not just diverse american guys but also asian attendees and european as well as middle-eastern people. That's the wonderful thing about a contemporary sci-fi setting that depicts a far future. You can really play around with things like this without being forced by certain lore-rules unless you've set those up of course. I honestly had a problem with how liberally DA:I depicted sexuality and race when so much of DA:O and DA2 focused on the tension and oppression of especially Dragon Age's version of diversity which is elves vs humans vs mages vs templars and stuff. I'm not asking for those characters to throw stones at people who don't have white skin, but the whole "Hi I'm transsexual, I'm with the Qun, and you have to refer to me with a male pronoun!" and "My father didn't want a gay boy so I was forced into marriage because Tevinter is evil!" was pretty darn preachy for a series that used to be more in-line with its own lore. I don't doubt Tevinter is evil, but to highlight homosexuality and make it sound like the cliche "My father won't recognize me because I came out as gay" was a bit too suburbian and not-Dragon-Agey to be Dragon Age IMO. Mass Effect has always felt more like "real life" in depiction if you get what I mean. I think I would be more accepting of it here, especially because "Daddy Issues(TM)" is such a trope. Nice post. I agree all around. I think DA's course is a direct reflection of its writers' personal stories, in some cases. At times, this colored otherwise stellar writing more than it should have.
Mass Effect, on the other hand, hasn't had quite as impressive an over-arching plot or as deep of lore; yet it's been more consistently believable and true to life in the ways you describe. I love both settings, but I'd definitely chose ME's more consistent, believable approach every time. I always felt this in the books more than the games, and then DAI came out and I felt it all across the game. I don't know whether it was a decision born out of "We couldn't be open and direct like this 7 years ago so we had to be nuanced and find other parallels" or what. It just made the universe feel inconsistent or even like it was going backwards.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 7, 2017 20:07:37 GMT
Then in DAI, and the book about Orlais, they get meta with real world stuff where all of a sudden sexuality diversity wasn't the norm anymore. All of a sudden, gay was "bad" to generate cheap heat for "villains" and stuff. Was so weird playing Celine and Dorian's quest lines with the homosexuality is actually okay stuff as the driver, when the previous 2 games had already well established that no one in Thedas cares and it was cool to be as gay as you want. I actually think it ended up neutering the racial tensions in the game, which were always super interesting, with an equality message that breaks it's own in-universe social dynamics. Huh? Dunno about the books, but in-game people care that Celene was screwing an elf, not that Celene was screwing a woman. And Dorian's issue is explicitly framed as limited to the Tevinter upper classes; it's hard to get through the mission without the Inquisitor being confused that this is even a thing.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Mar 7, 2017 20:30:20 GMT
Doesn't matter. Humanity is going to go extinct while we all breed with Asari.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 7, 2017 20:35:50 GMT
As much as this is a troll thread, you gotta admit the racial diversity in the trilogy was really bad. Almost everybody in space was white.
That makes no sense, considering it's 2187 or something and white people are only like 15% of the world population right now
I'm not saying the MEU should've been like the people from the future in South Park, but I'm pretty convinced we should be seeing far less white people, if it all.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 7, 2017 22:42:01 GMT
If history has taught us anything: it's that we're stronger and at our best, when we work together! try to kill each other! Fixed that for you.
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Post by jalis on Mar 7, 2017 22:45:45 GMT
Humans in mass effect games have to look like core customers ethnic group irl... simply for marketing reasons. I am not sure this kind of post can lead to something else than useless polemic.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 8, 2017 0:02:32 GMT
You're right, of course. Like many problems with media, it's the consumers' fault
But we can certainly acknowledge the problem even if it isn't fixable.
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