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Post by vallixas on Mar 8, 2017 0:07:39 GMT
We're resorting to making graphs of the number of white and non-white characters in a video game now. Dear god help us. Maybe we should've all died in the Milky Way lol.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:26:24 GMT
A... no, I wont got there. Sufficed to say: Once we met another species we could wage war with, these discussions would never come up again... ever.
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 8, 2017 1:30:42 GMT
What race would you happen to be?
Yes, for the question it does matter.
I disagree on that. If you really care, I am white. Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're the racial majority where you live. And most characters you see on TV, movies, all the heroes, etc. are white. It's easy for you to say it doesn't matter. It's like a rich person saying money doesn't matter to a poor person.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 8, 2017 1:39:53 GMT
I don't understand the fixation with race or diversity or whatever. I prefer to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 8, 2017 2:03:48 GMT
Doesn't matter. Humanity is going to go extinct while we all breed with Asari. Oh, I'm going to breed with PeeBee alright
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Post by glitch89 on Mar 8, 2017 2:42:50 GMT
I hope we get a black female squadmate in the future games. I would like that very much.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 8, 2017 4:25:25 GMT
I disagree on that. If you really care, I am white. Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're the racial majority where you live. And most characters you see on TV, movies, all the heroes, etc. are white. It's easy for you to say it doesn't matter. It's like a rich person saying money doesn't matter to a poor person. I live in New York. Try again on your presumptions.
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All humans look Lebanese to me anyway.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 8, 2017 4:43:31 GMT
I don't understand the fixation with race or diversity or whatever. I prefer to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Who's fixated? We're just observing that Bio's designers have been doing a poor job of matching the background characters to either a plausible projection of future population trends or to ME's own lore. It's not like they have to go out of their way to hire extras of different races. It's as easy to get this right as it is to get it wrong. Getting it wrong is a setting consistency fail. The charitable explanation is that Bio needs to match the demographics of their primary markets. The uncharitable explanation is that nobody there has thought about this.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 6:33:43 GMT
I don't understand the fixation with race or diversity or whatever. I prefer to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Some people have the prerogative that they don't want to indulge in anything they can't relate to or is unfamiliar to them. Seeing someone of the same race or sexual preference is an automatic indicator of being able to relate to them I guess... Anyway It's a rather limiting mindset but it's their choice to have it I guess. I think... Other people just want to see people that look like them in the world because not seeing that makes them feel like they are not being included or even kept out. I don't think that's a problem as long as those characters aren't token or preach to me about how "different" they are.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 6:52:09 GMT
Remember how Bioware killed off Emily Wong and turned Kai Leng into a total loser. And made Jacob into a cheesy cheater? Yea they don't have the best record with "racial diversity". Are you insinuating that: - Asian characters should not be allowed to die - Asian characters should not be written as "loser" characters - Black characters should never cheat on their significant others? Be careful with this train of thought... Otherwise the Rock will never be able to eat a plate of chicken in a movie without a White guy eating it right next to him. (Great scene in that movie btw)
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 8, 2017 7:33:44 GMT
Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're the racial majority where you live. And most characters you see on TV, movies, all the heroes, etc. are white. It's easy for you to say it doesn't matter. It's like a rich person saying money doesn't matter to a poor person. I live in New York. Try again on your presumptions. Think again, buddy.
You live in the United States so you are the racial majority and nearly all characters are white so my assumption is correct. Even for a black man from Detroit nearly all characters on TV, movies, comics, etc. are white. On a state level whites make up the majority of NY residents. And narrowing down the field even more, based on boroughs, unless you live in the Bronx you are the racial majority. Don't you even know your own city's demographics?
It's easy for you to say, "What does it matter?", considering your group is the most represented. Your children aren't going to be shunning white dolls or feeling like some other race of people are better because all their heroes and they people they want to be like are non-white. You don't have to deal with any inferiority complex derived from being raised as a minority.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 8, 2017 7:40:43 GMT
Does it matter?
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 8, 2017 7:43:31 GMT
I hope we get a black female squadmate in the future games. I would like that very much. That will never happen.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 8, 2017 7:52:13 GMT
As much as this is a troll thread, you gotta admit the racial diversity in the trilogy was really bad. Almost everybody in space was white. That makes no sense, considering it's 2187 or something and white people are only like 15% of the world population right now I'm not saying the MEU should've been like the people from the future in South Park, but I'm pretty convinced we should be seeing far less white people, if it all. Ha!
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Post by glitch89 on Mar 8, 2017 8:27:20 GMT
I hope we get a black female squadmate in the future games. I would like that very much. That will never happen. I know, but one can/could hope.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 8:34:39 GMT
I live in New York. Try again on your presumptions. Think again, buddy.
You live in the United States so you are the racial majority and nearly all characters are white so my assumption is correct. Even for a black man from Detroit nearly all characters on TV, movies, comics, etc. are white. On a state level whites make up the majority of NY residents. And narrowing down the field even more, based on boroughs, unless you live in the Bronx you are the racial majority. Don't you even know your own city's demographics?
It's easy for you to say, "What does it matter?", considering your group is the most represented. Your children aren't going to be shunning white dolls or feeling like some other race of people are better because all their heroes and they people they want to be like are non-white. You don't have to deal with any inferiority complex derived from being raised as a minority.
My children aren't going to be shunning white or black dolls because they won't grow up believing in that inferiority nonsense that so many others believe. You think those Obama kids feel inferior going to a school with mostly White kids? No. You know why? Because they were TAUGHT to not believe in bullshit like that. They were taught that all people are equal. They aren't worried about race nonsense because they were taught better. So no matter what garbage gets put on TV, or the movies or the internet they know better than to believe it. Indeed there was a time when parents taught their children life skills so that they could live and thrive as adults. Too many people have to google how to tie a tie (myself included) or how to iron a damn shirt as it is but I won't go there right now. At least some one is out there trying to teach this stuff... The problem here is that the PARENTS are not teaching their children to rise above this garbage and so they just live with it and have kids that make their kids live with it and the cycle goes on and on until something miraculous happens and someone decides to question the things they believe. Bioware adding Black people to a video game is NOT going to get rid of the inferiority complex. And even though this is really not PC at all, sitting around yelling at a bunch of innocent White people to put some characters in a video game is not going to change anything either. These kids need to be TAUGHT to not believe in such nonsense by teachers and others. But at the end of the day, teachers can't raise anyone's kids for them and the parents need to step up. Going off on this guy for no good reason is just poor form. He didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 8, 2017 9:44:42 GMT
Why does this thread even exist...good lord. As far as I've noticed, Bioware has attempted to be pretty fucking inclusive of various sexuality, genders and races. Hell they even went so far as to include AI rights as a plot point in one of their games.
Can we chill with the agenda stuff for a bit, at least wait till after release.
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 10:09:28 GMT
Remember how Bioware killed off Emily Wong and turned Kai Leng into a total loser. And made Jacob into a cheesy cheater? Yea they don't have the best record with "racial diversity". Are you insinuating that: - Asian characters should not be allowed to die - Asian characters should not be written as "loser" characters - Black characters should never cheat on their significant others? Be careful with this train of thought... Otherwise the Rock will never be able to eat a plate of chicken in a movie without a White guy eating it right next to him. (Great scene in that movie btw) Oh look, another racist who thinks it's perfectly ok to use non-white people as disposable shilling for any negative portrayal they see fit. Educate yourself.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 10:56:01 GMT
Are you insinuating that: - Asian characters should not be allowed to die - Asian characters should not be written as "loser" characters - Black characters should never cheat on their significant others? Be careful with this train of thought... Otherwise the Rock will never be able to eat a plate of chicken in a movie without a White guy eating it right next to him. (Great scene in that movie btw) Oh look, another racist who thinks it's perfectly ok to use non-white people as disposable shilling for any negative portrayal they see fit. Educate yourself. No you're being unreasonable. You're suggesting that every instance of a "negative" portrayal of a character that is a minority is always done with some agenda in mind and that there is no other logical reason for this to occur. That is called a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are out of touch with reality. They usually include people who like to wear tin foil hats and pretend that their remote control is a tricorder. Do you think Tupac is still alive? Do you think the moon landing was a hoax? Do you think juice bottles are making the frogs gay? If you do you might just be a conspiracy theorist. And if so there is little reason to take you seriously anymore. Have a nice day sir.
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 11:23:48 GMT
Oh look, another racist who thinks it's perfectly ok to use non-white people as disposable shilling for any negative portrayal they see fit. Educate yourself. No you're being unreasonable. You're suggesting that every instance of a "negative" portrayal of a character that is a minority is always done with some agenda in mind and that there is no other logical reason for this to occur. That is called a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are out of touch with reality. They usually include people who like to wear tin foil hats and pretend that their remote control is a tricorder. Do you think Tupac is still alive? Do you think the moon landing was a hoax? Do you think juice bottles are making the frogs gay? If you do you might just be a conspiracy theorist. And if so there is little reason to take you seriously anymore. Have a nice day sir. No, i'm suggesting that the mass media is ignorant and callous enough to thoughtlessly portray non-whites in whatever subordinate capacity they see fit. Usually to the detriment of these characters. And you of course are numbly comfortable enough in your privilege to lap it all up. Let's take a little head count of the end states of every recognisable non-white characters in the ME Franchise shall we? Jacob - cheater Anderson - stereotypical black leader, also dead Udina - evil, dead Emily Wong - killed offscreen as part of a marketing campaign Kai Leng - Evil, loser, dead Kaleesa al-Jahlani - punched (twice) Name me one significant Black woman or Asian man (Kai Leng excepted for obvious reasons) in this series. Go on
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 11:25:32 GMT
I don't understand the fixation with race or diversity or whatever. I prefer to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. That's the logical thing to say when almost everybody in the game looks like you.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 12:09:28 GMT
No you're being unreasonable. You're suggesting that every instance of a "negative" portrayal of a character that is a minority is always done with some agenda in mind and that there is no other logical reason for this to occur. That is called a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are out of touch with reality. They usually include people who like to wear tin foil hats and pretend that their remote control is a tricorder. Do you think Tupac is still alive? Do you think the moon landing was a hoax? Do you think juice bottles are making the frogs gay? If you do you might just be a conspiracy theorist. And if so there is little reason to take you seriously anymore. Have a nice day sir. No, i'm suggesting that the mass media is ignorant and callous enough to thoughtlessly portray non-whites in whatever subordinate capacity they see fit. Usually to the detriment of these characters. And you of course are numbly comfortable enough in your privilege to lap it all up. Let's take a little head count of the end states of every recognisable non-white characters in the ME Franchise shall we? Jacob - cheater Anderson - stereotypical black leader, also dead Udina - evil, dead Emily Wong - killed offscreen as part of a marketing campaign Kai Leng - Evil, loser, dead Kaleesa al-Jahlani - punched (twice) Name me one significant Black woman or Asian man (Kai Leng excepted for obvious reasons) in this series. Go on You're cherrypicking which is usual for people with the vicitm mentality. I have my own list: Jacob Taylor: - served with the corsairs - saved a colony of people form being abused by their de facto captain - protects Cerberus refugees from Cerberus thugs as a bodyguard - has a wife and a kid on the way David Anderson: - you had nothing negative to say about him which speaks volumes and you called him a stereotype which makes no sense at all. Unreasonable Donnel Udina: - humanity's ambassador to the council - fought for human rights and more say in council business - passes all messages of thanks from ME1 to Commander Shepard personally (not his damn job) - provides resources to the Alliance Navy Emily Wong: - You had nothing negative to say about her either. So she died. People die. That's life. Do Asian people live forever in your limited view of the world? Unreasonable. Kai Lang: - He's a bad guy, you're not supposed to like him. Unless of course you think Asian characters are not allowed to be bad guys. Unreasonable. Kaleesa al-Jahlani: - stayed on the citadel while reporting the Cerberus coup attempt while trying to request help from C-Sec. Would you do that while bullets were flying? All these characters did good in the Mass Effect Universe - even Kai Lang. But you continue your ridiculous notion that a flawed minority character is somehow unrealistic or a part of some agenda. None of the people you listed were saints but they all aided humanity in the story. Again you are being unreasonable. Give it a rest sir.
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 12:20:58 GMT
No, i'm suggesting that the mass media is ignorant and callous enough to thoughtlessly portray non-whites in whatever subordinate capacity they see fit. Usually to the detriment of these characters. And you of course are numbly comfortable enough in your privilege to lap it all up. Let's take a little head count of the end states of every recognisable non-white characters in the ME Franchise shall we? Jacob - cheater Anderson - stereotypical black leader, also dead Udina - evil, dead Emily Wong - killed offscreen as part of a marketing campaign Kai Leng - Evil, loser, dead Kaleesa al-Jahlani - punched (twice) Name me one significant Black woman or Asian man (Kai Leng excepted for obvious reasons) in this series. Go on You're cherrypicking which is usual for people with the vicitm mentality. I have my own list: Jacob Taylor: - served with the corsairs - saved a colony of people form being abused by their de facto captain - protects Cerberus refugees from Cerberus thugs as a bodyguard - has a wife and a kid on the way David Anderson: - you had nothing negative to say about him which speaks volumes and you called him a stereotype which makes no sense at all. Unreasonable Donnel Udina: - humanity's ambassador to the council - fought for human rights and more say in council business - passes all messages of thanks from ME1 to Commander Shepard personally (not his damn job) - provides resources to the Alliance Navy Emily Wong: - You had nothing negative to say about her either. So she died. People die. That's life. Do Asian people live forever in your limited view of the world? Unreasonable. Kai Lang: - He's a bad guy, you're not supposed to like him. Unless of course you think Asian characters are not allowed to be bad guys. Unreasonable. Kaleesa al-Jahlani: - stayed on the citadel while reporting the Cerberus coup attempt while trying to request help from C-Sec. Would you do that while bullets were flying? All these characters did good in the Mass Effect Universe - even Kai Lang. But you continue your ridiculous notion that a flawed minority character is somehow unrealistic or a part of some agenda. None of the people you listed were saints but they all aided humanity in the story. Again you are being unreasonable. Give it a rest sir. And you are simply using token examples of normalcy to justify a systemic issue. Just because they are a character with characteristics doesn't excuse the fact that they all exist in subordinate roles, or that any of them are granted the same happy closure that the majority of white characters have. In fact, my listitself if proof how how lacking non-white representation is. That you could even conceive of the above post is simply more evidence that you should check your privilege. Now I'm getting tired of wasting energy trying to educate one incorrigible racist. Have a good day and do try to learn more about the world beyond your cushy borders.
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Post by jalis on Mar 8, 2017 12:44:03 GMT
Now I'm getting tired of wasting energy trying to educate one incorrigible racist. Is it possible there is here a bit of arrogance ? You try to educate other people here ? I presume it also imply you are always right ?
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