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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 12:46:59 GMT
Now I'm getting tired of wasting energy trying to educate one incorrigible racist. Is it possible there is here a bit of arrogance ? You try to educate other people here ? I presume it also imply you are always right ? i am right in this case
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 13:04:51 GMT
You're cherrypicking which is usual for people with the vicitm mentality. I have my own list: Jacob Taylor: - served with the corsairs - saved a colony of people form being abused by their de facto captain - protects Cerberus refugees from Cerberus thugs as a bodyguard - has a wife and a kid on the way David Anderson: - you had nothing negative to say about him which speaks volumes and you called him a stereotype which makes no sense at all. Unreasonable Donnel Udina: - humanity's ambassador to the council - fought for human rights and more say in council business - passes all messages of thanks from ME1 to Commander Shepard personally (not his damn job) - provides resources to the Alliance Navy Emily Wong: - You had nothing negative to say about her either. So she died. People die. That's life. Do Asian people live forever in your limited view of the world? Unreasonable. Kai Lang: - He's a bad guy, you're not supposed to like him. Unless of course you think Asian characters are not allowed to be bad guys. Unreasonable. Kaleesa al-Jahlani: - stayed on the citadel while reporting the Cerberus coup attempt while trying to request help from C-Sec. Would you do that while bullets were flying? All these characters did good in the Mass Effect Universe - even Kai Lang. But you continue your ridiculous notion that a flawed minority character is somehow unrealistic or a part of some agenda. None of the people you listed were saints but they all aided humanity in the story. Again you are being unreasonable. Give it a rest sir. And you are simply using token examples of normalcy to justify a systemic issue. Just because they are a character with characteristics doesn't excuse the fact that they all exist in subordinate roles, or that any of them are granted the same happy closure that the majority of white characters have. In fact, my listitself if proof how how lacking non-white representation is. That you could even conceive of the above post is simply more evidence that you should check your privilege. Now I'm getting tired of wasting energy trying to educate one incorrigible racist. Have a good day and do try to learn more about the world beyond your cushy borders. How the hell are they token? All of these things are integral to the story except for Emily Wong and Kaleesa. Oh right... They are "token" because they completely destroy your argument and you have to try and minimize that as much as possible. These characters that you listed as bad or stereotypical are actually not badly written at all so now you're going to move the goalposts and latch on to the whole "subordinate" thing. But Andersson and Udina are integral to the story and yet all you could do was prove that they weren't perfect in every way. In fact without Anderson Shepard couldn't even get off the Citadel in ME1 because the ship was locked down. He risked his life to get Shepard to Ilos. In Mass Effect 2 he gets you your Spectre status back. In ME3 he leads the ENTIRE EARTH RESISTANCE. Did you forget these things? How are these things not important to the story? Oh wait - you choose to ignore these things because it would destroy your argument even more. You're cherrypicking which is often done by those with the victim mentality. But the worst of all of your offenses is that you continue to assume that I'm a White male which is in fact RACIST. You are being racist sir, not I. And you have done this twice in a row. You should be ashamed of yourself, becoming the very thing you are so against. Tisk tisk...
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 14:16:44 GMT
And you are simply using token examples of normalcy to justify a systemic issue. Just because they are a character with characteristics doesn't excuse the fact that they all exist in subordinate roles, or that any of them are granted the same happy closure that the majority of white characters have. In fact, my listitself if proof how how lacking non-white representation is. That you could even conceive of the above post is simply more evidence that you should check your privilege. Now I'm getting tired of wasting energy trying to educate one incorrigible racist. Have a good day and do try to learn more about the world beyond your cushy borders. How the hell are they token? All of these things are integral to the story except for Emily Wong and Kaleesa. Oh right... They are "token" because they completely destroy your argument and you have to try and minimize that as much as possible. These characters that you listed as bad or stereotypical are actually not badly written at all so now you're going to move the goalposts and latch on to the whole "subordinate" thing. But Andersson and Udina are integral to the story and yet all you could do was prove that they weren't perfect in every way. In fact without Anderson Shepard couldn't even get off the Citadel in ME1 because the ship was locked down. He risked his life to get Shepard to Ilos. In Mass Effect 2 he gets you your Spectre status back. In ME3 he leads the ENTIRE EARTH RESISTANCE. Did you forget these things? How are these things not important to the story? Oh wait - you choose to ignore these things because it would destroy your argument even more. You're cherrypicking which is often done by those with the victim mentality. But the worst of all of your offenses is that you continue to assume that I'm a White male which is in fact RACIST. You are being racist sir, not I. And you have done this twice in a row. You should be ashamed of yourself, becoming the very thing you are so against. Tisk tisk... You still don't get it do you? About token representation and putting non-whites in subordinate positions relative to whites. Whatever. Plus I did not assume that you are a white male, I told you to check your privilege. It seems that you fail at logic too. Educate yourself.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 15:00:23 GMT
How the hell are they token? All of these things are integral to the story except for Emily Wong and Kaleesa. Oh right... They are "token" because they completely destroy your argument and you have to try and minimize that as much as possible. These characters that you listed as bad or stereotypical are actually not badly written at all so now you're going to move the goalposts and latch on to the whole "subordinate" thing. But Andersson and Udina are integral to the story and yet all you could do was prove that they weren't perfect in every way. In fact without Anderson Shepard couldn't even get off the Citadel in ME1 because the ship was locked down. He risked his life to get Shepard to Ilos. In Mass Effect 2 he gets you your Spectre status back. In ME3 he leads the ENTIRE EARTH RESISTANCE. Did you forget these things? How are these things not important to the story? Oh wait - you choose to ignore these things because it would destroy your argument even more. You're cherrypicking which is often done by those with the victim mentality. But the worst of all of your offenses is that you continue to assume that I'm a White male which is in fact RACIST. You are being racist sir, not I. And you have done this twice in a row. You should be ashamed of yourself, becoming the very thing you are so against. Tisk tisk... You still don't get it do you? About token representation and putting non-whites in subordinate positions relative to whites. Whatever. Plus I did not assume that you are a white male, I told you to check your privilege. It seems that you fail at logic too. Educate yourself. No I get it. If a minority character isn't running the show and aren't flawless they aren't relevant to you. And it's still unreasonable. And you can't know anyone's "privilege" without knowing them or making assumptions about them. And if we google the world privilege we get: "Privilege is a social theory that special rights or advantages are available only to a particular person or group of people. The term is commonly used in the context of social inequality, particularly in regard to age, disability, ethnic or racial category, gender, sexual orientation, religion and/or social class.[1]"
So how do you know of my "privilege" when you don't know any of those things? You know I'm a guy but that's hardly relevant here since you're talking about minorities. Therefore it is quite logical to conclude that you assumed I was a White guy. Troll harder.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 8, 2017 15:13:53 GMT
How is Anderson either token or subordinate? He's one of the highest ranking people in the alliance, can be a councillor representing all of humanity and leads the world's fight against the reapers. He sets in train the events of me1 and me3. He even gets a fantastic death scene.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 8, 2017 15:25:56 GMT
How is Anderson either token or subordinate? He's one of the highest ranking people in the alliance, can be a councillor representing all of humanity and leads the world's fight against the reapers. He sets in train the events of me1 and me3. He even gets a fantastic death scene. Because his superior have better beard!! It is the beard that is racist!! :rage: I hereby propose that we banish beard in ME:A! Then we will finally have a just and right society. :dumb:
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 15:56:26 GMT
You still don't get it do you? About token representation and putting non-whites in subordinate positions relative to whites. Whatever. Plus I did not assume that you are a white male, I told you to check your privilege. It seems that you fail at logic too. Educate yourself. No I get it. If a minority character isn't running the show and aren't flawless they aren't relevant to you. And it's still unreasonable. And you can't know anyone's "privilege" without knowing them or making assumptions about them. And if we google the world privilege we get: "Privilege is a social theory that special rights or advantages are available only to a particular person or group of people. The term is commonly used in the context of social inequality, particularly in regard to age, disability, ethnic or racial category, gender, sexual orientation, religion and/or social class.[1]"
So how do you know of my "privilege" when you don't know any of those things? You know I'm a guy but that's hardly relevant here since you're talking about minorities. Therefore it is quite logical to conclude that you assumed I was a White guy. Troll harder. Oh god ok I'm I'm not sure if you're just being facetious or if you are genuinely too dumb to comprehend how narrative hierarchy works.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 15:58:17 GMT
No I get it. If a minority character isn't running the show and aren't flawless they aren't relevant to you. And it's still unreasonable. And you can't know anyone's "privilege" without knowing them or making assumptions about them. And if we google the world privilege we get: "Privilege is a social theory that special rights or advantages are available only to a particular person or group of people. The term is commonly used in the context of social inequality, particularly in regard to age, disability, ethnic or racial category, gender, sexual orientation, religion and/or social class.[1]"
So how do you know of my "privilege" when you don't know any of those things? You know I'm a guy but that's hardly relevant here since you're talking about minorities. Therefore it is quite logical to conclude that you assumed I was a White guy. Troll harder. Oh god ok I'm I'm not sure if you're just being facetious or if you are genuinely too dumb to comprehend how narrative hierarchy works. No one is as smart as you are O Captain my captain.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 15:59:28 GMT
How is Anderson either token or subordinate? He's one of the highest ranking people in the alliance, can be a councillor representing all of humanity and leads the world's fight against the reapers. He sets in train the events of me1 and me3. He even gets a fantastic death scene. He's not. Look, the thing here is that, if we had a more or less realistic representation of racial diversity, with white people being a minority compared to everybody else, we would not be having this discussion. But that's not what we get. We get a grand total of 3 Asian looking people, if my memory serves me well. In real life almost 50% of people on earth are Asian. We get like 3 black people. In real life the amount of black people on earth is roughly the same as the amount of white people (about 15% of the entire population) And hundreds of white people. So what do we ultimately get? A wide range of characters with white skin, and an extremely narrow range of characters from different backgrounds. And as for the latter, most of them, if not all, die, get punched around, are helpless or do bad shit. This matters because there are so few of them. If there were hundreds of black people and hundreds of Asian people, it wouldn't matter if some did bad shit, got punched around or died. But because the sample size is so freaking small, it does matter. And yeah I ignored a few backgrounds here as well. Middle Eastern? Is that even a thing in the game? Latino/a? Apparently Ashley is of Latin American descent, but I had to look really fucking hard to see this, and still barely do.
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Post by darcon on Mar 8, 2017 16:19:00 GMT
What people are forgetting is that you market to your largest demographic not a smaller one, I don't expect jrpgs to represent me in them so why should anyone else expect it anywhere else, they shouldn't. If your issue is there isn't enough diversity then the problem isn't the game but you. World of Warcraft mostly other spieces entirely doesn't matter, Horizon Zero Dawn again mostly white, doesn't matter, Neir Automata mostly Asian doesn't matter. It didn't matter before all this diversity crap happened it doesn't matter now and it won't matter in the future, I don't care about the color of skin background characters have I care about how well written the characters are.
With that said how the hell is Anderson a token character, he is a dam good leader, can kick a lot of ass, and was a prospect for the specter program who only failed because the guy testing him wanted him to fail.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 16:26:50 GMT
How is Anderson either token or subordinate? He's one of the highest ranking people in the alliance, can be a councillor representing all of humanity and leads the world's fight against the reapers. He sets in train the events of me1 and me3. He even gets a fantastic death scene. He's not. Look, the thing here is that, if we had a more or less realistic representation of racial diversity, with white people being a minority compared to everybody else, we would not be having this discussion. But that's not what we get. We get a grand total of 3 Asian looking people, if my memory serves me well. In real life almost 50% of people on earth are Asian. We get like 3 black people. In real life the amount of black people on earth is roughly the same as the amount of white people (about 15% of the entire population) And hundreds of white people. So what do we ultimately get? A wide range of characters with white skin, and an extremely narrow range of characters from different backgrounds. And as for the latter, most of them, if not all, die, get punched around, are helpless or do bad shit. This matters because there are so few of them. If there were hundreds of black people and hundreds of Asian people, it wouldn't matter if some did bad shit, got punched around or died. But because the sample size is so freaking small, it does matter. And yeah I ignored a few backgrounds here as well. Middle Eastern? Is that even a thing in the game? Latino/a? Apparently Ashley is of Latin American descent, but I had to look really fucking hard to see this, and still barely do. So in a game where minorities are allegedly few, none of them can be bad people? Are you seeing what I'm saying? It sounds crazy to say something like that. And who are these "bad" minority characters in Mass Effect? All I can think of is Kai-Lang and Brooks and Udina I guess but I thought he was a White guy. Who dies? Anderson? Yeah he dies after all that awesome shit he did in the trilogy. But the fact that he dies suddenly negates all the good things he did? That's almost as bad as saying that Jacob cheating on Shepard negated all the good things that he did. It almost sounds like (and I know you don't mean this) that if a Black character isn't flawless then something is wrong with them. That's just not fair. Anderson and Jacob weren't saints no but they did a lot of good things too. In fact I don't know what Anderson did that was bad but whatever. Emily dies yeah but she was just an unimportant quest giver. She wasn't super important to the story anyway. Are we saying that Asian characters can never die because there are so few of them? Again it just sounds crazy. I mean we could fix this if we say that Asian characters must always have great plot armor so they never die and make someone mad but that would just be bad writing. Kalisah gets punched. Ok but you don't even have to punch her. In fact if you don't punch her in all 3 games you find that she's actually just a nice person who is taking out her anger on the wrong people and she actually supports Shepard in the third game. She even stays on the Citadel during the coup to... Whatever. Rule #3 Indians can never be included in acts of violence in a game full of violence because that's bad. Ok. You see how crazy this all is right? Ok helpless. Which minority characters are helpless? I don't know. Gianna Parasini wasn't helpless. Dr. Michel wasn't helpless. So who was it? I don't know! But ok lets say we do things your way and we make White people the minority group. Will we still make bad characters that are White guys despite the fact that there will be so few of them? Because that would be a double standard. Or will we keep these weird standards and make them all angels that can do no wrong? That would be bad writing. You see what I'm getting at here?
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 16:35:03 GMT
He's not. Look, the thing here is that, if we had a more or less realistic representation of racial diversity, with white people being a minority compared to everybody else, we would not be having this discussion. But that's not what we get. We get a grand total of 3 Asian looking people, if my memory serves me well. In real life almost 50% of people on earth are Asian. We get like 3 black people. In real life the amount of black people on earth is roughly the same as the amount of white people (about 15% of the entire population) And hundreds of white people. So what do we ultimately get? A wide range of characters with white skin, and an extremely narrow range of characters from different backgrounds. And as for the latter, most of them, if not all, die, get punched around, are helpless or do bad shit. This matters because there are so few of them. If there were hundreds of black people and hundreds of Asian people, it wouldn't matter if some did bad shit, got punched around or died. But because the sample size is so freaking small, it does matter. And yeah I ignored a few backgrounds here as well. Middle Eastern? Is that even a thing in the game? Latino/a? Apparently Ashley is of Latin American descent, but I had to look really fucking hard to see this, and still barely do. So in a game where minorities are allegedly few, none of them can be bad people? Are you seeing what I'm saying? It sounds crazy to say something like that. And who are these "bad" minority characters in Mass Effect? All I can think of is Kai-Lang and Brooks and Udina I guess but I thought he was a White guy. Who dies? Anderson? Yeah he dies after all that awesome shit he did in the trilogy. But the fact that he dies suddenly negates all the good things he did? That's almost as bad as saying that Jacob cheating on Shepard negated all the good things that he did. It almost sounds like (and I know you don't mean this) that if a Black character isn't flawless then something is wrong with them. That's just not fair. Anderson and Jacob weren't saints no but they did a lot of good things too. In fact I don't know what Anderson did that was bad but whatever. Emily dies yeah but she was just an unimportant quest giver. She wasn't super important to the story anyway. Are we saying that Asian characters can never die because there are so few of them? Again it just sounds crazy. I mean we could fix this if we say that Asian characters must always have great plot armor so they never die and make someone mad but that would just be bad writing. Kalisah gets punched. Ok but you don't even have to punch her. In fact if you don't punch her in all 3 games you find that she's actually just a nice person who is taking out her anger on the wrong people and she actually supports Shepard in the third game. She even stays on the Citadel during the coup to... Whatever. Rule #3 Indians can never be included in acts of violence in a game full of violence because that's bad. Ok. You see how crazy this all is right? Ok helpless. Which minority characters are helpless? I don't know. Gianna Parasini wasn't helpless. Dr. Michel wasn't helpless. So who was it? I don't know! But ok lets say we do things your way and we make White people the minority group. Will we still make bad characters that are White guys despite the fact that there will be so few of them? Because that would be a double standard. Or will we keep these weird standards and make them all angels that can do no wrong? That would be bad writing. You see what I'm getting at here? Yeah, I see you've completely missed the point. Put more of everything in the game so nobody can nitpick about the six people that aren't white. That there's only about six and hundreds of white people is the problem, that most of these six have bad stuff happening to them, do bad stuff or they die just makes this problem worse.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 16:38:40 GMT
So in a game where minorities are allegedly few, none of them can be bad people? Are you seeing what I'm saying? It sounds crazy to say something like that. And who are these "bad" minority characters in Mass Effect? All I can think of is Kai-Lang and Brooks and Udina I guess but I thought he was a White guy. Who dies? Anderson? Yeah he dies after all that awesome shit he did in the trilogy. But the fact that he dies suddenly negates all the good things he did? That's almost as bad as saying that Jacob cheating on Shepard negated all the good things that he did. It almost sounds like (and I know you don't mean this) that if a Black character isn't flawless then something is wrong with them. That's just not fair. Anderson and Jacob weren't saints no but they did a lot of good things too. In fact I don't know what Anderson did that was bad but whatever. Emily dies yeah but she was just an unimportant quest giver. She wasn't super important to the story anyway. Are we saying that Asian characters can never die because there are so few of them? Again it just sounds crazy. I mean we could fix this if we say that Asian characters must always have great plot armor so they never die and make someone mad but that would just be bad writing. Kalisah gets punched. Ok but you don't even have to punch her. In fact if you don't punch her in all 3 games you find that she's actually just a nice person who is taking out her anger on the wrong people and she actually supports Shepard in the third game. She even stays on the Citadel during the coup to... Whatever. Rule #3 Indians can never be included in acts of violence in a game full of violence because that's bad. Ok. You see how crazy this all is right? Ok helpless. Which minority characters are helpless? I don't know. Gianna Parasini wasn't helpless. Dr. Michel wasn't helpless. So who was it? I don't know! But ok lets say we do things your way and we make White people the minority group. Will we still make bad characters that are White guys despite the fact that there will be so few of them? Because that would be a double standard. Or will we keep these weird standards and make them all angels that can do no wrong? That would be bad writing. You see what I'm getting at here? Yeah, I see you've completely missed the point. Put more of everything in the game so nobody can nitpick about the six people that aren't white. That there's only about six and hundreds of white people is the problem, that most of these six have bad stuff happening to them, do bad stuff or they die just makes this problem worse. Am I really missing the point if you couldn't answer even one of my questions? Who are these bad people? Give me names. if this is happening then you should be able to be specific and give examples. There's only like 6 amirite?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 8, 2017 16:41:30 GMT
But that's not what we get. We get a grand total of 3 Asian looking people, if my memory serves me well. In real life almost 50% of people on earth are Asian. We get like 3 black people. In real life the amount of black people on earth is roughly the same as the amount of white people (about 15% of the entire population) Really, the main problem with the series, demographically speaking, is an under-representation of Asians. Bio did OK with black people, although I don't remember anyone who looked purely African. Well, part of this is that without an accent or a surname it's hard to flag someone as Latino/a or Middle Eastern. And the series pretty much stopped doing accents after ME1, except for Coates.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 16:44:45 GMT
Yeah, I see you've completely missed the point. Put more of everything in the game so nobody can nitpick about the six people that aren't white. That there's only about six and hundreds of white people is the problem, that most of these six have bad stuff happening to them, do bad stuff or they die just makes this problem worse. Am I really missing the point if you couldn't answer even one of my questions? Yes. Because you zoom in on the individual and that's ultimately completely besides the point. The low representation is the core issue that turns what happens to these character into a problem, not the other way around. And that all just gets worse considering Mass Effect's setting, set in the distant future with a coalition of human forces. That almost everybody is white is just ridiculous. Period.
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Post by beefchief on Mar 8, 2017 16:45:29 GMT
What people are forgetting is that you market to your largest demographic not a smaller one, I don't expect jrpgs to represent me in them so why should anyone else expect it anywhere else, they shouldn't. If your issue is there isn't enough diversity then the problem isn't the game but you. World of Warcraft mostly other spieces entirely doesn't matter, Horizon Zero Dawn again mostly white, doesn't matter, Neir Automata mostly Asian doesn't matter. It didn't matter before all this diversity crap happened it doesn't matter now and it won't matter in the future, I don't care about the color of skin background characters have I care about how well written the characters are. With that said how the hell is Anderson a token character, he is a dam good leader, can kick a lot of ass, and was a prospect for the specter program who only failed because the guy testing him wanted him to fail. Are you saying Bioware should cater to white males?! THAT’S NOT ALLOWED!
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 8, 2017 16:48:33 GMT
What people are forgetting is that you market to your largest demographic not a smaller one, I don't expect jrpgs to represent me in them so why should anyone else expect it anywhere else, they shouldn't. If your issue is there isn't enough diversity then the problem isn't the game but you. World of Warcraft mostly other spieces entirely doesn't matter, Horizon Zero Dawn again mostly white, doesn't matter, Neir Automata mostly Asian doesn't matter. It didn't matter before all this diversity crap happened it doesn't matter now and it won't matter in the future, I don't care about the color of skin background characters have I care about how well written the characters are. If this is caused by marketing, then yeah, we have to put up with it. We can't fire the players and appoint new ones. But, again, getting the demographics of the MEU wrong is a world-building error. The MEU, according to its own lore, should have different demographics than what we are observing in-game. If the lore said that, say, China and India had a thermonuclear war which devastated the populations of Asia, or even terrible economic setbacks which left the region unable to participate much in the Alliance, that would make what we're seeing consistent. But that didn't happen.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 16:51:34 GMT
Am I really missing the point if you couldn't answer even one of my questions? Yes. Because you zoom in on the individual and that's ultimately completely besides the point. The low representation is the core issue that turns what happens to these character into a problem, not the other way around. And that all just gets worse considering Mass Effect's setting, set in the distant future with a coalition of human forces. That almost everybody is white is just ridiculous. Period. I zoom in on the individual? Isn't one of your problems about individuals that stand out in a negative way? You said that the few minority characters have something wrong with them. I asked you to tell me which ones they were. You can't name ONE. That doesn't look good. And again by your suggestion if White people were the minority you didn't note on whether they should be allowed to be antagonists. I mean these aren't hard questions or loaded or anything...
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 16:51:34 GMT
But that's not what we get. We get a grand total of 3 Asian looking people, if my memory serves me well. In real life almost 50% of people on earth are Asian. We get like 3 black people. In real life the amount of black people on earth is roughly the same as the amount of white people (about 15% of the entire population) Really, the main problem with the series, demographically speaking, is an under-representation of Asians. Bio did OK with black people, although I don't remember anyone who looked purely African. Well, part of this is that without an accent or a surname it's hard to flag someone as Latino/a or Middle Eastern. And the series pretty much stopped doing accents after ME1, except for Coates. To be honest, I think that the vast majority of people not looking purely anything would be a much, much better representation of what humanity would look like in 2187.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 8, 2017 16:53:45 GMT
Yes. Because you zoom in on the individual and that's ultimately completely besides the point. The low representation is the core issue that turns what happens to these character into a problem, not the other way around. And that all just gets worse considering Mass Effect's setting, set in the distant future with a coalition of human forces. That almost everybody is white is just ridiculous. Period. I zoom in on the individual? Isn't one of your problems about individuals that stand out in a negative way? You said that the few minority characters have something wrong with them. I asked you to tell me which ones they were. You can't name ONE. That doesn't look good. And again by your suggestion if White people were the minority you didn't note on whether they should be allowed to be antagonists. I mean these aren't hard questions or loaded or anything... Yeah, you still miss the point. Individuals coming out in a bad way wouldn't be bad if there were a lot of individuals of the same demograpic. And when I say white people being a minority, I'm still speaking of dozens of individuals, not just 3 or 4. So one being antagonistic wouldn't matter. You're trying to imply here that I would swap the roles around. Why the fuck would I? Who and what the hell do you think I am?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 16:56:39 GMT
How is Anderson either token or subordinate? He's one of the highest ranking people in the alliance, can be a councillor representing all of humanity and leads the world's fight against the reapers. He sets in train the events of me1 and me3. He even gets a fantastic death scene. Because his superior have better beard!! It is the beard that is racist!! :rage: I hereby propose that we banish beard in ME:A! Then we will finally have a just and right society. :dumb: I support this notion by different reason entirely. The traumatizing impact of facial hair is dangerously close to the cruel and unusual punishment. Also, where do I sign up a petition for a hot Asian guy? Yoshimo, Kai Leng, one of eight Carvers and that one customization for Malavi Quinn are slim pickings. My too boring to present but very advanced scientific calculations indicate a woeful underrepresentation.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 17:06:05 GMT
I zoom in on the individual? Isn't one of your problems about individuals that stand out in a negative way? You said that the few minority characters have something wrong with them. I asked you to tell me which ones they were. You can't name ONE. That doesn't look good. And again by your suggestion if White people were the minority you didn't note on whether they should be allowed to be antagonists. I mean these aren't hard questions or loaded or anything... Yeah, you still miss the point. Individuals coming out in a bad way wouldn't be bad if there were a lot of individuals of the same demograpic. And when I say white people being a minority, I'm still speaking of dozens of individuals, not just 3 or 4. So one being antagonistic wouldn't matter. I see what you're saying but this inevitably means that if minorities are not the norm in an environment that they cannot be flawed. That is simply absurd. For example, say I write a story about 5 guys. 4 are White and one is a minority. By your standard if that minority guy isn't perfect in every way then I am a bad writer or I have some kind of agenda. Say i write a story about another 5 guys. 3 are White and 2 are a minority. By your logic I am now allowed to give a minority character flaws. i,e; make them human. Do you see how bad this sounds? You have basically made a rule where minority characters must be infallible when they aren't around large groups of people. Only when there are other people around showing flaws are they allowed to have flaws themselves. This is not only bad writing but pandering to a group.
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Post by amleth on Mar 8, 2017 17:17:29 GMT
Oh god ok I'm I'm not sure if you're just being facetious or if you are genuinely too dumb to comprehend how narrative hierarchy works. No one is as smart as you are O Captain my captain. You are just ignorant. And now you resort to name calling since you no longer have a point.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 8, 2017 17:21:30 GMT
No one is as smart as you are O Captain my captain. You are just ignorant. Teach me thy way O Captain.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 8, 2017 17:24:38 GMT
I don't understand the fixation with race or diversity or whatever. I prefer to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. That's the logical thing to say when almost everybody in the game looks like you. Bioware is a western studio, which caters to the western market, which is currently majority white. I'm sure if Bioware was an Indian company the vast majority of humans would be Indian and the player character would be called Pajeet Patel.
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