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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 9, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
Forget humans, how come I'm not seeing racial diversity in the turians or salarians. Wheres the blue salarians and the black asari?
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Post by farsight on Mar 9, 2017 17:55:40 GMT
Just once I want to see a native american in a game that is not a stereotype. Just make him a soldier, a farmer, or a desk clerk for all I care. He/She has a family and doesn't give a shit about their native past or have any idea about its traditions so far in the future other than that he has the skin tone. PLEASE!
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 9, 2017 18:02:20 GMT
Just once I want to see a native american in a game that is not a stereotype. Just make him a soldier, a farmer, or a desk clerk for all I care. He/She has a family and doesn't give a shit about their native past or have any idea about its traditions so far in the future other than that he has the skin tone. PLEASE! That is exactly the problem of POC refuse to embrace their history and culture it's called internalized racism.
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Post by farsight on Mar 9, 2017 18:07:51 GMT
I know but so many of my people do that and are involved in it. I'm not. I don't care honestly. I'm atheist and it all seems like mumbo jump to me. Just the same as with any spirituality or religion. It's great on them if they love the community aspect of it, but it is ridiculous. However like any religion or faith it leads to discrimination among their own people. Most of the time this isn't the case, but it can happen.
All the native characters EVER that I can think of seeing care about their past or are actively involved in remembering the heritage. It's sickening. Not all of us are like that. Or if they do follow it it's not a super big thing. Just listen and learn a little here and there because it's neat to read history or have some context ect.
It's ridiculous. A lot of my own people get mad at me for not liking it or dancing to it, but hey. That's how it is. There's a lot of people like me out there too. I would be described by those who know me as pragmatic and a little cut throat.
When a character simply can't be a character based on their skin tone I find it is racist. If a native american HAS to be shown as good or has to be shown as bad and in a very stereotypical way to the current norms. I find it racist or playing it safe and playing by stereotypes. I hate that shit. Now there are people like that in real life, but there's also a lot that aren't or even a mix, or something different. Still plenty of god fearing natives around too. I feel the range of native roles is too limited in movies, tv, and games. Shout out to the asians too. They are about as hard up as us in terms of role diversity, but get more screen time and jobs.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 9, 2017 18:31:34 GMT
I know but so many of my people do that and are involved in it. I'm not. I don't care honestly. I'm atheist and it all seems like mumbo jump to me. Just the same as with any spirituality or religion. It's great on them if they love the community aspect of it, but it is ridiculous. However like any religion or faith it leads to discrimination among their own people. Most of the time this isn't the case, but it can happen. All the native characters EVER that I can think of seeing care about their past or are actively involved in remembering the heritage. It's sickening. Not all of us are like that. Or if they do follow it it's not a super big thing. Just listen and learn a little here and there because it's neat to read history or have some context ect. It's ridiculous. A lot of my own people get mad at me for not liking it or dancing to it, but hey. That's how it is. There's a lot of people like me out there too. I would be described by those who know me as pragmatic and a little cut throat. When a character simply can't be a character based on their skin tone I find it is racist. If a native american HAS to be shown as good or has to be shown as bad and in a very stereotypical way to the current norms. I find it racist or playing it safe and playing by stereotypes. I hate that shit. Now there are people like that in real life, but there's also a lot that aren't or even a mix, or something different. Still plenty of god fearing natives around too. I feel the range of native roles is too limited in movies, tv, and games. Shout out to the asians too. They are about as hard up as us in terms of role diversity, but get more screen time and jobs. I see why your people frowned on you.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 9, 2017 18:35:08 GMT
Eh no I'm pretty sure I do want them to believe we're all equals... And who said anything about solving racism or curing cancer or finding the holy grail? That guy talked about an inferiority complex. I gave the way to remove it. That's all. You can't be proud of "blackness" anymore than "whiteness" or whatever else ness. It's just a skin color. Should people be proud of those people that paved the way for them to be where they are? Sure. Who said anything about not teaching them history? My children will be affected by racism regardless of what I teach them. My job as dad is to help them understand it. To give them the tools to navigate a society that would see them broken, dead or imprisoned. I teach them of their africaness. I teach them the truth of their blackness. I teach them their hue is much, MUCH more than just the color of their skin. I teach my babies "Man, know thyself". I teach them truth. Ok but... that guy wasn't talking about racism... or andromeda.... which brings me back to: where is this happening on andromeda? You know - what the thread is about?
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Post by farsight on Mar 9, 2017 19:02:17 GMT
I know but so many of my people do that and are involved in it. I'm not. I don't care honestly. I'm atheist and it all seems like mumbo jump to me. Just the same as with any spirituality or religion. It's great on them if they love the community aspect of it, but it is ridiculous. However like any religion or faith it leads to discrimination among their own people. Most of the time this isn't the case, but it can happen. All the native characters EVER that I can think of seeing care about their past or are actively involved in remembering the heritage. It's sickening. Not all of us are like that. Or if they do follow it it's not a super big thing. Just listen and learn a little here and there because it's neat to read history or have some context ect. It's ridiculous. A lot of my own people get mad at me for not liking it or dancing to it, but hey. That's how it is. There's a lot of people like me out there too. I would be described by those who know me as pragmatic and a little cut throat. When a character simply can't be a character based on their skin tone I find it is racist. If a native american HAS to be shown as good or has to be shown as bad and in a very stereotypical way to the current norms. I find it racist or playing it safe and playing by stereotypes. I hate that shit. Now there are people like that in real life, but there's also a lot that aren't or even a mix, or something different. Still plenty of god fearing natives around too. I feel the range of native roles is too limited in movies, tv, and games. Shout out to the asians too. They are about as hard up as us in terms of role diversity, but get more screen time and jobs. I see why your people frowned on you. My people did that to me long ago. The majority of them treat me like a white guy and say racist things to me. When they see that my grandfather is darker skinned than them and the rest of my family they shut their faces. Then white peoples treat me like a white guy and start saying racist things about natives around me. Until they see my family or know I'm native. Then they start throwing those at me. Or treating me like a minority. I'm sick of most people in general these days kid. I just stick to myself and my learning. Everyone else seems to have the chips on their shoulder. Not me. I'm just trying to enjoy life until sanctimonious assholes come along telling me what's right and wrong for me when they got no clue. In real life and out native and not.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 9, 2017 19:05:21 GMT
I get what you're saying, but it's not just a matter of preference, and a lot of it has to do with inherent social bias, especially in regards to the "unattractiveness" of sects of minorities like black, middle eastern, etc. Anyone growing up in a "western" society or a society with heavy western influence is brought up with the preconceived notion that white people are the default and white women--blonde white women especially--are the baseline for attractiveness. it's why those who tend to adopt default white women features, straight hair, for example, tend to be deemed more attractive than the ginger with curls or the black girl with a fro. And while plenty of people can bypass these biases, they're very much a heavy influence on attractiveness. Precisely why black males, who grow up in a community of nothing but black people, interact with nothing but black people on a daily basis, always tend to make a beeline for your fair skinned blonde white women at the first opportunity with little to no variation; we're programmed to. I know this from firsthand experience as being a black male who had a stretch where everyone who wasn't a blonde white girl with long hair was unattractive to me until I had an epiphany and actually opened myself up to paying attention to others and actually identifying features I actually find attractive more on others than on white women. I don't really know how it is in burgerland, but here in krautland black people were pretty much unicorns when I grew up. Nowadays with all the refugees, you see a few more black men, but rarely any women. The vast majority of people are white. Personally, I think that facial features and symmetry are much more important than hair and eye colour when it comes to attractiveness. Hence my constant nagging about Cora's design. Also, I still believe that what some people claim is systemic racism in the media, is actually capitalism at work. If you have one target demographic that is more than three times as big as another, which one are you going to target with your ads? If the majority of your viewers are white, would you give them a show full of black people? You are not discriminated against based on your skin colour, but based on your population size and buying power. If murrica was over 60% black, the media landscape would look a lot different. As I said earlier, we have barely any black people here compared to you. So whenever an ad campaign includes black people, they are called 'Quotenneger'. They aren't really targeting any viable demographic, it's just virtue signaling. Edit: Accusing people of 'internalized xxx' because they don't act the way you want them to is an excellent way to rob them of any kind of agency. Good job, you open-minded, tolerant people. Fuckin hell ...
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Post by ilmamo on Mar 9, 2017 19:56:39 GMT
How do you even look Hispanic? That's like saying you look French.
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Post by fulcrum290 on Mar 9, 2017 20:18:55 GMT
Another thing to consider is that while race-mixing is heavily pushed in the media nowadays, the majority of people prefer to have partners of their own race. That's why I don't buy the "everyone is mixed-race in the future" line. White people are a minority in the world and we have the lowest birth rates. In most western countries these birth rates aren't high enough to sustain a stable population size anymore, so unless something changes we'll gradually go extinct over hundreds or thousands of years. Many industrialized country is facing demographic decline like Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, even China and Russia, the only country that looks good is America. There is the imperative, if industrialized countries take next step in the industrial revolution that would mean near total automation and no longer need a large working force. If that day come, just more people to feed and employ despite neither the government or co-operation needs them.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 9, 2017 20:30:28 GMT
I get what you're saying, but it's not just a matter of preference, and a lot of it has to do with inherent social bias, especially in regards to the "unattractiveness" of sects of minorities like black, middle eastern, etc. Anyone growing up in a "western" society or a society with heavy western influence is brought up with the preconceived notion that white people are the default and white women--blonde white women especially--are the baseline for attractiveness. it's why those who tend to adopt default white women features, straight hair, for example, tend to be deemed more attractive than the ginger with curls or the black girl with a fro. And while plenty of people can bypass these biases, they're very much a heavy influence on attractiveness. Precisely why black males, who grow up in a community of nothing but black people, interact with nothing but black people on a daily basis, always tend to make a beeline for your fair skinned blonde white women at the first opportunity with little to no variation; we're programmed to. I know this from firsthand experience as being a black male who had a stretch where everyone who wasn't a blonde white girl with long hair was unattractive to me until I had an epiphany and actually opened myself up to paying attention to others and actually identifying features I actually find attractive more on others than on white women. I don't really know how it is in burgerland, but here in krautland black people were pretty much unicorns when I grew up. Nowadays with all the refugees, you see a few more black men, but rarely any women. The vast majority of people are white. Personally, I think that facial features and symmetry are much more important than hair and eye colour when it comes to attractiveness. Hence my constant nagging about Cora's design. Also, I still believe that what some people claim is systemic racism in the media, is actually capitalism at work. If you have one target demographic that is more than three times as big as another, which one are you going to target with your ads? If the majority of your viewers are white, would you give them a show full of black people? You are not discriminated against based on your skin colour, but based on your population size and buying power. If murrica was over 60% black, the media landscape would look a lot different. As I said earlier, we have barely any black people here compared to you. So whenever an ad campaign includes black people, they are called 'Quotenneger'. They aren't really targeting any viable demographic, it's just virtue signaling. Edit: Accusing people of 'internalized xxx' because they don't act the way you want them to is an excellent way to rob them of any kind of agency. Good job, you open-minded, tolerant people. Fuckin hell ... Yeah, you're right, but you're not necessarily capturing the whole story, especially in regards to race and appearance in North America where targeted advertising was also used to further influence implicit bias and generate more systemic racism, either in some white versus X kind of way, or to stir up some sort of internal conflict with the minority communities themselves. It's far more nuanced. And you even have a word for it when black people end up in commercials; over here they're just black people in commercials. You having a word just reinforces my point of view. Even if the intention isn't to harm or put down, you're essentially forming a mindset of "other" even with something as simple as a laundry commercial. You just may be fortunate enough to live in a country that doesn't have all of the historical baggage attached, but you're still doing it.
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Post by ilmamo on Mar 9, 2017 20:31:19 GMT
Another thing to consider is that while race-mixing is heavily pushed in the media nowadays, the majority of people prefer to have partners of their own race. That's why I don't buy the "everyone is mixed-race in the future" line. White people are a minority in the world and we have the lowest birth rates. In most western countries these birth rates aren't high enough to sustain a stable population size anymore, so unless something changes we'll gradually go extinct over hundreds or thousands of years. You can't go extinct since humans are not different species, we don't have "races" scientifically speaking, you need hundreds of thousands of years for that to happen (if not millions depending in a lot of variables), we barely left Africa 60.000 years ago. And if you are referring to caucasoid, then don't worry, everyone from European descent, Western Asian (middle-east, India, etc), North African, South-Caribbean-North American (not indigenous) is caucasoid.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 9, 2017 20:45:01 GMT
You can't go extinct since humans are not different species, we don't have "races" scientifically speaking, you need hundreds of thousands of years for that to happen (if not millions depending in a lot of variables), we barely left Africa 60.000 years ago. And if you are referring to caucasoid, then don't worry, everyone from European descent, Western Asian (middle-east, India, etc), North African, South-Caribbean-North American (not indigenous) is caucasoid. I'm referring to white people in western countries. Of course we don't have races, that would be politically incorrect and could hurt someone's feelings.
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Post by darcon on Mar 9, 2017 20:49:27 GMT
Just once I want to see a native american in a game that is not a stereotype. Just make him a soldier, a farmer, or a desk clerk for all I care. He/She has a family and doesn't give a shit about their native past or have any idea about its traditions so far in the future other than that he has the skin tone. PLEASE! That is exactly the problem of POC refuse to embrace their history and culture it's called internalized racism. ...........I think your the first person ever to use internalized racism in a not bullshit manner, well done. I still think its a bad term but well done anyways.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2017 21:35:22 GMT
Forget humans, how come I'm not seeing racial diversity in the turians or salarians. Wheres the blue salarians and the black asari? IT's not that they don't have racial diversity, it's that humans are so racist that all aliens look alike to us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 21:42:05 GMT
You can't go extinct since humans are not different species, we don't have "races" scientifically speaking, you need hundreds of thousands of years for that to happen (if not millions depending in a lot of variables), we barely left Africa 60.000 years ago. And if you are referring to caucasoid, then don't worry, everyone from European descent, Western Asian (middle-east, India, etc), North African, South-Caribbean-North American (not indigenous) is caucasoid. I'm referring to white people in western countries. Of course we don't have races, that would be politically incorrect and could hurt someone's feelings. Isn't that one of the main problems? We are trying to divide humanity constantly instead of uniting it? Pointing out our differences, when instead we should celebrate what we have in common? Maybe i am just an idealist, but nothing is going to get solved unless people can get over the whole "race" thing.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 9, 2017 21:54:35 GMT
Isn't one of the main problem that we are trying to divide humanity constantly instead of uniting it? Pointing out our differences, when instead we should celebrate what we have in common? Maybe i am just an idealist, but nothing is going to get solved unless people can get over the whole "race" thing. The only thing that could unite humanity is first contact with a hostile alien race.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 10, 2017 0:36:22 GMT
Is it possible there is here a bit of arrogance ? You try to educate other people here ? I presume it also imply you are always right ? i am right in this case No you're not, calling everyone who doesn't fall in line with your views a racist is not right.
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Post by ilmamo on Mar 10, 2017 8:06:03 GMT
You can't go extinct since humans are not different species, we don't have "races" scientifically speaking, you need hundreds of thousands of years for that to happen (if not millions depending in a lot of variables), we barely left Africa 60.000 years ago. And if you are referring to caucasoid, then don't worry, everyone from European descent, Western Asian (middle-east, India, etc), North African, South-Caribbean-North American (not indigenous) is caucasoid. I'm referring to white people in western countries. Of course we don't have races, that would be politically incorrect and could hurt someone's feelings. No, we don't have races, that is scientifically illiterate and a complete disregard for evolution and basic biology. It doesn't have anything to do with being politically correct.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 10, 2017 20:07:41 GMT
That is exactly the problem of POC refuse to embrace their history and culture it's called internalized racism. ...........I think your the first person ever to use internalized racism in a not bullshit manner, well done. I still think its a bad term but well done anyways. But it's the truth.
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Post by darcon on Mar 10, 2017 20:43:24 GMT
...........I think your the first person ever to use internalized racism in a not bullshit manner, well done. I still think its a bad term but well done anyways. But it's the truth. Even so like many terms loud mouths use it as an excuse to discredit POC that don't agree with them. Just don't forget that embracing and acknowledging are different.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 10, 2017 21:20:36 GMT
Even so like many terms loud mouths use it as an excuse to discredit POC that don't agree with them. Just don't forget that embracing and acknowledging are different. You talking about things you don't understand.
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Post by stringerbell on Mar 11, 2017 0:16:29 GMT
It'll probably be the same as the trilogy I'd imagine. Realistically you'd expect most people to be Chinese or Indian lol but I don't really care.
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Post by darcon on Mar 11, 2017 4:30:03 GMT
Even so like many terms loud mouths use it as an excuse to discredit POC that don't agree with them. Just don't forget that embracing and acknowledging are different. You talking about things you don't understand. I didn't disagree with you completely but i'm talking about things I don't understand, you don't even know anything about me.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 11, 2017 20:27:40 GMT
This describes this thread best.
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