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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 28, 2017 16:50:20 GMT
A character doesn't need to be ~xpexial to be interesting, just well written. I don't understand this marketing from BioWare. Just release a image and some information that the fans will go on&on promoting the game for you. I wonder how much of this marketing is because they don't want to let down the few straight fans that inevitably are going to want to romance Gil. Like how there was backlash after Sera and Dorian were confirmed gay, they don't want to market a character that's just gonna reject (straight) players. By that logic, though, none of the hetero characters should be marketed either, though.It's unfair to Gil, and the other non squad, as a character. Want to make a big mystery about romances when it's not necessary, ok, but show his character to players. A photo and bit of his personality, and if straight players get disappointed if/when it turns out he's gay, well, tough luck. There are other people in the game. They should just come clean about the characters or hide them all. Why release the asari npc/non squad voiced by the GoT actress? Or Cora/PB's scenes that hint at/show romance? We all know why.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 16:53:15 GMT
Do you guys think there's any small chance he might voice the last briefing? Yes, I know it sounds more up Foster Addison's alley, but, maybe, there's something engineering-related about first contact protocols?
Maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 16:55:01 GMT
I was like "Three pages since this morning!?! They must have given us information!" <cabbage patches>
Nope. Just more disappointment. Dang, y'all.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 16:55:35 GMT
I was like "Three pages since this morning!?! They must have given us information!" <cabbage patches> Nope. Just more disappointment. Dang, y'all. Maybe if we get to 100 this week, they'll throw us some pity info.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 16:56:40 GMT
Can someone straight out ask Ben whether the [redacted] someone who said "Hi" was male or female? At least we would know there's likely 2 optiosn for BroRyder. I mean, may as well try, what's to lose other than another "can't say" tweet lol He said "only him." I feel like that's gotta be a dude, right?
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 28, 2017 17:00:46 GMT
He said "only him." I feel like that's gotta be a dude, right? Ahh lol nvm then, Im trying to read so much into it my brain is deactivating already Delete it fat lol
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 28, 2017 17:13:54 GMT
Can someone straight out ask Ben whether the [redacted] someone who said "Hi" was male or female? At least we would know there's likely 2 optiosn for BroRyder. I mean, may as well try, what's to lose other than another "can't say" tweet lol He said "only him." I feel like that's gotta be a dude, right? That's how I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:15:18 GMT
I wonder how much of this marketing is because they don't want to let down the few straight fans that inevitably are going to want to romance Gil. Like how there was backlash after Sera and Dorian were confirmed gay, they don't want to market a character that's just gonna reject (straight) players. By that logic, though, none of the hetero characters should be marketed either, though.It's unfair to Gil, and the other non squad, as a character. Want to make a big mystery about romances when it's not necessary, ok, but show his character to players. A photo and bit of his personality, and if straight players get disappointed if/when it turns out he's gay, well, tough luck. There are other people in the game. They should just come clean about the characters or hide them all. Why release the asari npc/non squad voiced by the GoT actress? Or Cora/PB's scenes that hint at/show romance? We all know why. I am not usually very pessimistic about these sort of things, but given the pattern that has emerged here, I'm guessing they aren't talking about any m/m content because they don't want the controversy. They announced Dorian and Sera were same-sex options only and for a while there, it was all the gaming media seemed to cover about the game. They probably don't want the focus on the game to be about romances, especially m/m romances for fear of alienating some of their straight male player base (I'm not saying all, or even most, straight male gamers would have an issue with this, but enough would for it to risk a negative and distracting backlash). EA expects this game to sell 3 million copies in its first week if I'm not mistaken. That's a big set of expectations and so they probably really want to avoid any unnecessary drama. It's going to be hard enough to hit that number without an army of trolls tanking consumer review scores and accusing the game of pushing an agenda. My guess (and I want to emphasize this is a guess): There will be no m/m options in the main squad as they are too high profile. Gil may have a well-written and satisfying romance, but he will be totally isolated from the core plot. Like Steve, if you never speak to him, he is pretty much a non-entity; a shuttle pilot with a name basically. This allows players who want to explore that content to do so without it being very noticeable to those who would give the game a 0 score on Metacritic because gay people are in it. I should also point out, I am not okay with that mindset. I don't appreciate gay characters being made invisible just so it doesn't make certain other people uncomfortable. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but why formally announce Cora, all but confirm Peebee and Jaal (for female players), and then say absolutely nothing about the single character we have the most evidence for even being a m/m option (namely, he seems responsive to Scott's flirting; that's it)? To be fair, they have only formally announced Cora for male Ryders, but they have been noticeably more tight-lipped about anything even broaching the topic of m/m pairings. Phew! Sorry for the rant, but that's been building for a while. I am so excited for so many parts of this game, but this is one area that I have real concerns about. I sincerely hope Bioware proves me wrong. I would love the opportunity to eat my words.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 17:31:06 GMT
Do you guys think there's any small chance he might voice the last briefing? Yes, I know it sounds more up Foster Addison's alley, but, maybe, there's something engineering-related about first contact protocols? Maybe?No. #crushinghopeanddreams
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 17:32:20 GMT
Well now I'm depressed. And BW should really be less concerned about gay content in their game (and talking about it), and more concerned about the quality of their game and animation. I've seen '' straight gamers '' throw shit at the game for it's bad character models and animations, rather than the obvious inclusion of LGBT characters.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
On the brightside, we can always count on fanfic, if the game doesn't give us the kind of gay content we want.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 17:36:16 GMT
On the brightside, we can always count on fanfic, if the game doesn't give us the kind of gay content we want. That's not a bright side at all! :gasp:
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 17:37:39 GMT
On the brightside, we can always count on fanfic, if the game doesn't give us the kind of gay content we want. That's not a bright side at all! :gasp: If you haven't found the kind of fanfic you're looking for, you haven't been looking hard enough. I've found some really good ones over the years. You just gotta ignore the "most popular fic" and search for some rec lists from someone you trust.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 28, 2017 17:38:06 GMT
Do you guys think there's any small chance he might voice the last briefing? Yes, I know it sounds more up Foster Addison's alley, but, maybe, there's something engineering-related about first contact protocols? Maybe?No. #crushinghopeanddreams Yeah, I agree, I don't think he'll be voicing the last briefing. I do think we're going to see Suvi and Gil featured in a video or trailer or something, though. Maybe even in the next briefing. They're the last remaining crew members to be revealed and we've got three weeks to go. I'm fairly confident we'll get some information on them "soon". (Ugh, I hate myself for using that word. And I hate that I hate using that word now.)
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
No. #crushinghopeanddreams Yeah, I agree, I don't think he'll be voicing the last briefing. I do think we're going to see Suvi and Gil featured in a video or trailer or something, though. Maybe even in the next briefing. They're the last remaining crew members to be revealed and we've got three weeks to go. I'm fairly confident we'll get some information on them "soon". (Ugh, I hate myself for using that word. And I hate that I hate using that word now.)I certainly hope they're featured in some kind of marketing... This "mystery" is not fun at all.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 17:40:30 GMT
That's not a bright side at all! :gasp: If you haven't found the kind of fanfic you're looking for, you haven't been looking hard enough. I've found some really good ones over the years. You just gotta ignore the "most popular fic" and search for some rec lists from someone you trust. Fanfic doesn't replace the hole in my heart, my brain, my soul if ME:A fucks up royally.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 17:41:02 GMT
Well now I'm depressed. And BW should really be less concerned about gay content in their game (and talking about it), and more concerned about the quality of their game and animation. I've seen '' straight gamers '' throw shit at the game for it's bad character models and animations, rather than the obvious inclusion of LGBT characters. Dude, you're just being mean now. That's not from the game, it's a spoiler from next week's WWE match between Sara the Underfaker and Our Truth
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 17:41:44 GMT
If you haven't found the kind of fanfic you're looking for, you haven't been looking hard enough. I've found some really good ones over the years. You just gotta ignore the "most popular fic" and search for some rec lists from someone you trust. Fanfic doesn't replace the hole in my heart, my brain, my soul if ME:A fucks up royally. I agree that fanfic shouldn't have to make up for canon fuck-ups. Let's hope the actual game delivers.
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Post by corkyspetals on Feb 28, 2017 17:44:03 GMT
I think what redux90 says is spot on. Fairness to players or characters is balanced against SALES! So many people complained about the bi Kaidan situation (I just went out to lunch with him and now he's my LI. Eeeeewww!!!) I think Bioware is just treading very lightly. Insecure str8 males buy games too.
And being realistic Liam, the only human male in your squad, is probably not playersexual.
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Post by jrpN7 on Feb 28, 2017 17:44:26 GMT
Sorry gang, I tried... Oh, you guys. This thread. This poor, poor thread. It's like it got ran over mercilessly with no warning by a semi driven by Neil Pollner himself. And now, it tries to put itself back together. I applaud those who remain optimistic and grieve with those who are hella frustrated and saddened with BioWare. At this point it is so blantantly obvious what's going on. It really isn't right. I don't care what story BioWare tells itself to justify it, but it's wrong. When I played Mass Effect 1 as an awkward teen in 2007 and up through ME3, I looked up to BioWare as being progressive- where it openly celebrated its gay characters. I thought things were turning in the gaming industry because developers were willing to be the spearhead to that change. Now, they pander to straight men who get butthurt easily and willingly throw loyal fans under the bus for it. It hurts dude. But maybe, just maybe, something beyond incredible lies waiting to be discovered on the 21st.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:47:17 GMT
Yeah, I agree, I don't think he'll be voicing the last briefing. I do think we're going to see Suvi and Gil featured in a video or trailer or something, though. Maybe even in the next briefing. They're the last remaining crew members to be revealed and we've got three weeks to go. I'm fairly confident we'll get some information on them "soon". (Ugh, I hate myself for using that word. And I hate that I hate using that word now.)I certainly hope they're featured in some kind of marketing... This "mystery" is not fun at all. I would honestly just be happy with a screenshot. Just show me a face! Any face, I'm not picky. Reyes? Gil? A winky-faced emoticon regarding Jaal being an option for male Ryders on a dev's Twitter account at 2 in the morning where hardly anyone can see it? Anything! And in an effort to not be so depressing, if we do get some combination of Jaal, Reyes, and Gil as m/m options, I will be thrilled. THRILLED. Three options is more than enough and beats two from Inquisition. And it would be a massive improvement over one and a half from ME3.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 28, 2017 17:48:46 GMT
On the brightside, we can always count on fanfic, if the game doesn't give us the kind of gay content we want. Fanfic is life. I love fanfics, sometimes even better than the original narrative, if the writer is good enough. Not gonna lie, I'm kinda looking forward to all the amazing fanfics that will be created from Andromeda. Especially if there is some townie fling that I just adore but they didn't give a good romance to. Or maybe I get a hint of chemistry between two NPC's that'd be fun to expand on. The delicious anticipation gives me shivers, sometimes. :hearteyes: I get that sounds weird but I don't give a fork.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 17:48:54 GMT
Ninjamances shouldn't happen, and neither should '' character suddenly expresses interest in the same sex after 2 games. '' If the ME team thinks that the criticism/hate they got for Kaidan is a sign for their playerbase not wanting to spend money cuz of gay content, then I feel that's completely wrong. And don't blame '' str8 males '' if BW fucks up with this game when it comes to gay content. That just means that the higher ups were chicken shits and were afraid of backlash, and that they aren't confident enough in their game that such content could be overlooked by your average straight male gamer.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 17:53:00 GMT
So, you guys think his VA might also be his face model?
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Post by mrjack on Feb 28, 2017 17:53:05 GMT
Excuse me for butting in but I need to make a post so I can I can use the "participated" button to play catch up Gil sounds interesting but there hasn't been any indication he will be a major player story-wise, like Dr. Lexi, so I'm a little pessimistic tbh. There hasn't been anyone to get excited about for us gay guys yet. I mean Gil could be AMAZING and I'll happily STFU but I'm thinking Liam is probably not an option and maybe that Jaal is, if that's your thing (it's totally not my thing). It kinda feels like DAI all over again. I was so pumped to play that game but when I was actually playing it and romancing Dorian, I was like "Why am I not enjoying myself more? I still like the game despite it's faults but I don't really want to be feeling this apathy about the ME series which is my favourite. I still play it from time to time but always romance Cass who is amazing and was totally wasted on straight guys. My lesbian friends were sooooo sad about missing out on her. I'll admit I'm probably just a miserable old fuck and have reached that age where it's hard to get excited about anything. Kinda like when you were a teenager and you realised Christmas was just another day filled with annoying relatives and soggy Yorkshire pudding. No? Just me? I'll show myself out...
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