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Post by VFerreira93 on Jun 6, 2017 18:22:58 GMT
The big problem I see with that is that... Gil's story really needs rebuilding from the ground up. It needs to be changed significantly, on a level that isn't just some e-mails and a cutscene alteration here and there, it needs to address a lot of the major issues - Jill's involvement, the lack of content and involvement, the focus coming back to him in the first place... All of that takes money, because they have to write new dialogues and get the actors back into the studio. And while I certainly believe that they SHOULD eat the cost, that this was something that should never have been allowed to happen in the first place... Ultimately, I have a difficult time seeing them doing that. Like, MAYBE, if it's part of the contract that the actors will come in for DLC or something (since the EC/Leviathan had the actors come back, plus Citadel and Inquisition's DLCs), they could get away with it, but... I don't know if I have the faith and trust that's required to believe that they will do this. I mean, like you said, they said they were happy with what was there to begin with - I can't bring myself to believe that they understand what is wrong with what is there at this point, because this was SO wrong, and a casual glance should have said as much, let alone a roomful of writers. While I agree a huge amount of work needs putting in to truly make the romances equal. A bunch of little things would do. An animated sex scene. Make the kiss available even if no baby Make the wink a romance related thing not a squadmate related one Some little animations in dialogue and cutscenes - a kiss and a hug every now and then. At the end make Gil (or any LI) be at the foreground or stood next to Scott (or Sara). Have LI occasionally hang out in the pathfinder's quarters with repeatable kisses and implied sex like in DAI. None of these would require the VAs and would certainly be acts of good faith and what I would class as them actively trying to improve the m/m content. Let me hug you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:40:43 GMT
So no edits to the current m/m options.
At least it's good to know that so mods can be investigated without worrying about clashes.
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Post by gutmensch on Jun 6, 2017 20:02:13 GMT
Meh, I guess it's nice for those who wanted to romance Jaal as mRyder, but as someone who doesn't care about romancing Jaal (or aliens in general) I'm disappointed. And unless they brought back Jaal's voice actor, won't he still talk about how he likes to take care of himself to attract women, making him another in a rather long line of bisexual male BioWare characters who only ever seem to refer to their attraction toward women?
And nothing for Gil... lame.
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Post by lovebro on Jun 6, 2017 20:02:49 GMT
*hugs Gil* I'll give you all the content in the world
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 6, 2017 20:24:34 GMT
Yeah, though I'm definitely rolling a Ryder specifically for Jaal, I'm not happy Gil doesn't appear to be getting anything - although I can't stand Jill and will always refuse the baby thing, I honestly DO like Gil as a character. Like... If they were consulting members of the LGBTQ community, surely they would have had some words about how badly this was handled, surely SOME things could be done, right?
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 6, 2017 20:27:13 GMT
I've always expected that many of the problems with Gil's romance can only really be fixed in DLC or sequels.
To be honest, considering my preference for squad romances, I'm not sure if I'll actually end up leaving Gil, since I have gotten attached to him. Regardless of what I decide, what matters is that the option is there.
One of the biggest things I hope to see for a non-romanced Gil in DLC or sequels is some sort of reference to him dating another man, since that would fix the whole "raising a baby with a woman" issue.
I hope we still see some improvements to Gil specifically in future patches, but right now this fixes the biggest issue with m/m romances as a whole.
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Post by uberlurker on Jun 6, 2017 23:46:48 GMT
Hate to be a Debbie Downer, Gilmancers, but I doubt you'll be getting any kind of extra scenes outside of maybe one or two in the DLC, if there is any to begin with.
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Post by Xanphal on Jun 7, 2017 0:23:53 GMT
Meh, I guess it's nice for those who wanted to romance Jaal as mRyder, but as someone who doesn't care about romancing Jaal (or aliens in general) I'm disappointed. And unless they brought back Jaal's voice actor, won't he still talk about how he likes to take care of himself to attract women, making him another in a rather long line of bisexual male BioWare characters who only ever seem to refer to their attraction toward women? And nothing for Gil... lame. The VA's were brought back to voice new content:
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Post by Torpedojillofthenexus on Jun 7, 2017 2:11:12 GMT
I am really butthurt, I don't like jaal or liam. So they both could have been romance options and I wouldn't have cared. Sad panda I am yes.
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Post by Torpedojillofthenexus on Jun 7, 2017 2:13:22 GMT
Yeah, though I'm definitely rolling a Ryder specifically for Jaal, I'm not happy Gil doesn't appear to be getting anything - although I can't stand Jill and will always refuse the baby thing, I honestly DO like Gil as a character. Like... If they were consulting members of the LGBTQ community, surely they would have had some words about how badly this was handled, surely SOME things could be done, right? It was likley the legions of where's bi jaal bioware!? Twitter lgbt they were consulting with. I mean yay for them I guess.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 7, 2017 3:21:36 GMT
I know people who planned to stick with Gil are disappointed, but improvements there wouldn't have fixed the two biggest problems with the vanilla game's m/m romances. Namely, the lack of a squadmate option and the resulting Unfortunate Implications about gay men and combat roles, or that we couldn't get every achievement.
In order to fix those issues without waiting for the sequel, they would have had to patch in either Jaal or Liam (or added Drack). Of those options, Jaal was the path of least resistance both because of the content already in the game from when they were considering the idea earlier and because he never actually rejects Scott.
It's about the big picture, not Jaal specifically.
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Post by trevelyanshep on Jun 7, 2017 3:48:26 GMT
I am going to be really salty for a few days. Ugh. This is so disappointing.
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Post by Dirk on Jun 7, 2017 3:51:09 GMT
Since they are willing to bring voice actors back to voice more lines, they should be able to do so with Gil, considering that his romance is the one with less number of lines.
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Post by elijah ree on Jun 7, 2017 7:59:41 GMT
What I have to say: I've heard rumors that the BW studio in Montreal will be disbanded. Thank you EA. That's the right decision.
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Post by L2 Sentinel on Jun 7, 2017 21:05:06 GMT
Someone finally made a Clean-shaven Gil mod for those of use that don't like his default facial hair.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:19:59 GMT
Since they are willing to bring voice actors back to voice more lines, they should be able to do so with Gil, considering that his romance is the one with less number of lines. Maybe Gethin Anthony is more expensive than the others? That way we can take solace in that we got the premium VA.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 7, 2017 22:59:38 GMT
Gil is still, in my opinion, the best of the male Nexus team.
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Post by disgustednoise on Jun 8, 2017 16:41:37 GMT
Since they are willing to bring voice actors back to voice more lines, they should be able to do so with Gil, considering that his romance is the one with less number of lines. Maybe Gethin Anthony is more expensive than the others? That way we can take solace in that we got the premium VA. He did such a great job too.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 8, 2017 20:42:54 GMT
I basically swooned the first time I walked through the Tempest and he just passes by with that one line. I can't even remember what he said--and it was probably the only time in the game I couldn't concentrate on Vetra. That voice.
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Post by jjdxb on Jun 8, 2017 20:49:54 GMT
Gil is still, in my opinion, the best of the male Nexus team. It's nice to see more people appreciate him And yes, his voice is
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 8, 2017 21:44:48 GMT
Disappointed, but I probably got my hopes up too much with the whole "big patches" promise. Should've known better they would still take the easiest/least-costly route despite reassurances of hearing the criticism about gay romances. Flipping Jaal switch achives that, regardless of slighty different lines. Creating brand new cinematic scenes for Gil/Reyes or even a new 3rd (4th) gay option was obviously not interesting enough for them
Sigh, and now the franchise is on hiatus, we'll get 1 DLC IF we're lucky, I have little interest in Jaal and the whole hype is deflated as fuck...
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Post by jjdxb on Jun 8, 2017 22:20:12 GMT
TiberiusWorth a second shot I suppose. I first want to thank your team on hearing the concerns of the LGBT community with regards to BiJaal. But I'd also like to hope that you've kept an eye on this thread, which despite all expectations is the 2nd largest of the character threads. I just want to know if we can expect more Gil content ever. I know this is supposed to be the m/m patch, but some confirmation either way would do wonders. Thank you again, and God bless.
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 8, 2017 22:34:09 GMT
Guess we'll know by the end of next week if there's any DLC coming. If not, ohh boy my hype for the franchise will probably rock bottom, if it didn't already after word got out EA put Mass Effect on hiatus. And you can see around the forums how much less active all threads are with little to nothing to wait for
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:39:06 GMT
I'm really sad about this all. ME is my favourite game franchise and it wasnt given to the right people and it's future is at risk. MEA2 can salvage it but it may not happen.
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 8, 2017 23:40:52 GMT
Tiberius Worth a second shot I suppose. I first want to thank your team on hearing the concerns of the LGBT community with regards to BiJaal. But I'd also like to hope that you've kept an eye on this thread, which despite all expectations is the 2nd largest of the character threads. I just want to know if we can expect more Gil content ever. I know this is supposed to be the m/m patch, but some confirmation either way would do wonders. Thank you again, and God bless. Generally speaking I can't talk about things we are or are not doing outside of what PR has already made public, sorry!
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