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Post by melbella on Jun 18, 2017 3:15:12 GMT
Not sure if I understand your comment correctly but, are you referring to "logical" as a "boy dialogue" choice? That seems.....odd, to say the least.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 18, 2017 3:15:42 GMT
He says, after telling everyone who wanted it that they were ungrateful. Yes I stand by the opinion that people who trashed the Gil romance were ungrateful. "Oh noes I don't see his ass in a cutscene". Not sure how it's relevant to Jaal though. I was never interested in Gil's ass to begin with, because his plotline is a turd sundae with a Jill on top.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 18, 2017 3:19:37 GMT
All LI characters in DA2 are very broken, and I love them all for that because they are very real and human. It's not the same, that analogy does not work. I dont know if you know gaycaravaggio here, she's the user that leaked the romances and other stuff that were true, and she is the same person that leaked that this was intentional, alienated us in a way to not harm dudebros feelings having the less m/m content possible. Even if you didnt know this, after 5 years of development it's pretty much an obvious thing. Fortunately makejaalbi did something good and they even said that it was wrong that m/m players didnt have a squadmate, I support step by step, but not going backwards like MEA before bi Jaal. And I'm sorry but it's very insulting and ugly call us victims, and yes it's putting us in the mud. Being critical about something you like is not the same that being a victim and whiny child asking for more. The justification... the relationship between Gil and Jill is also real. Rather than explore it you seek to mock it. The conspiracy theories. I don't care what some user claimed to have leaked. Again, it's not about being critical. it's the manner of criticisms. There's a massive difference between fairly requesting additional content and improvement, and claiming a motivated attack. She has leaked a lot of stuff that were true, and she is a very reliable person, doesnt have powers or anything, but ok mate whatever floats your boat just ... try to build the minimal bridges between us and homophobes, because I see you still call us self-victims so I let you alone building those bridges, they love to have lgbtq peeps like you around
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2017 3:26:12 GMT
Not sure if I understand your comment correctly but, are you referring to "logical" as a "boy dialogue" choice? That seems.....odd, to say the least. I believe they mean the upper right option since that is the logical personality slot.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 3:28:01 GMT
Yes I stand by the opinion that people who trashed the Gil romance were ungrateful. "Oh noes I don't see his ass in a cutscene". Not sure how it's relevant to Jaal though. I was never interested in Gil's ass to begin with, because his plotline is a turd sundae with a Jill on top. Great. Not every character has to appeal to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 3:28:12 GMT
Yes I stand by the opinion that people who trashed the Gil romance were ungrateful. "Oh noes I don't see his ass in a cutscene". Not sure how it's relevant to Jaal though. I was never interested in Gil's ass to begin with, because his plotline is a turd sundae with a Jill on top. What's your thoughts on Jaals ass? It's so sparkly, does that make it better or worse-I feel like your opinion on the matter would be interesting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2017 3:29:39 GMT
lol way to frame it in the most negative way possible. "Fenris's romance was an abusive relatonship where the PC either shoved their own ideologies into his throat or perpetuated his prejudices" I'm not going to argue your phobia of having a kid at the age of 22. Playing the victim by accusing BioWare of attacking the gay male community is and will continue to be some of the most stupid shit I've read on these forums All LI characters in DA2 are very broken, and I love them all for that because they are very real and human. It's not the same, that analogy does not work. I dont know if you know gaycaravaggio here, she's the user that leaked the romances and other stuff that were true, and she is the same person that leaked that this was intentional, alienated us in a way to not harm dudebros feelings having the less m/m content possible. Even if you didnt know this, after 5 years of development it's pretty much an obvious thing. Fortunately makejaalbi did something good and they even said that it was wrong that m/m players didnt have a squadmate, I support step by step, but not going backwards like MEA before bi Jaal. And I'm sorry but it's very insulting and ugly call us victims, and yes it's putting us in the mud. Being critical about something you like is not the same that being a victim and whiny child asking for more. To be fair, according to that article only about 2 years went into actually developing most of the game's characters and stories.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 3:31:42 GMT
She has leaked a lot of stuff that were true, and she is a very reliable person, doesnt have powers or anything, but ok mate whatever floats your boat just ... try to build the minimal bridges between us and homophobes, because I see you still call us self-victims so I let you alone building those bridges, they love to have lgbtq peeps like you around So? I don't care what she has leaked or whether some happened to be true. Blindly believing anything that comes out of some source to justify your own biases is ridiculous, especially when that person has a personal stake in it. And stop being a hypocrite. Here you are continuing to separate even gay people into different boxes to perpetuate your own agenda, lumping me in with homophobes because I find it ridiculous that people correlate not having an uncensored sex cutscene to an attack on gay men. The best part is that I have totally been on board with the justified criticisms of Jaal's romance not being available, particularly because it made no sense both contextually (their culture) and from a meta perspective (he's a teammate which made sense as a romance). That's an ACTUAL failure on Bioware's part which I'm glad was amended. Not claims of sex cutscenes and people being unable to differentiate between a character/romance they dislike and a motivated attack by an LGBT pioneer. Laugh all you want and continue to stew in your echo chamber.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 18, 2017 3:35:34 GMT
All LI characters in DA2 are very broken, and I love them all for that because they are very real and human. It's not the same, that analogy does not work. I dont know if you know gaycaravaggio here, she's the user that leaked the romances and other stuff that were true, and she is the same person that leaked that this was intentional, alienated us in a way to not harm dudebros feelings having the less m/m content possible. Even if you didnt know this, after 5 years of development it's pretty much an obvious thing. Fortunately makejaalbi did something good and they even said that it was wrong that m/m players didnt have a squadmate, I support step by step, but not going backwards like MEA before bi Jaal. And I'm sorry but it's very insulting and ugly call us victims, and yes it's putting us in the mud. Being critical about something you like is not the same that being a victim and whiny child asking for more. The justification... the relationship between Gil and Jill is also real. Rather than explore it you seek to mock it. The conspiracy theories. I don't care what some user claimed to have leaked. Again, it's not about being critical. it's the manner of criticisms. There's a massive difference between fairly requesting additional content and improvement, and claiming a motivated attack. Lol, do you hear yourself? "Gay dudes who don't like Gil have a phobia of children", "the people who want equal content are selfish". BioWare treated their gay male fanbase like garbage, and it's blatantly obvious. I don't need to be "grateful" to BioWare for shit. I paid full price for the game at launch, and I have the right to express discontent with it for ANY REASON. I'd like to say I can't believe you're spitting in the face of other posters while reaping the benefits of their hard work, but I've been around long enough to know that this kind of hypocrisy is common among gay men, for some awful reason. Go on praising BioWare for scraps if you want, but quit holding back the people who fight for us to be treated like actual human beings.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 18, 2017 3:37:11 GMT
I was never interested in Gil's ass to begin with, because his plotline is a turd sundae with a Jill on top. What's your thoughts on Jaals ass? It's so sparkly, does that make it better or worse-I feel like your opinion on the matter would be interesting. Sparkly asses are definitely superior to the alternative. Makes them easier to find in the dark.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 3:38:20 GMT
quit holding back the people who fight for us to be treated like actual human beings. This is both sad and pathetic. This is a video game. This is a form of entertainment. It has no value other than what you make of it personally. You are not a lesser human being for not having equal content in the game. Your rights have not been infringed. Even worse, this isn't even a form of media that can form impressions on young people. This is ADULT content we're talking about. The latter actually has some reasonable arguments. There is no lack of inclusion. There is no fundamental homophobic context or implication. What is this. My God my people can't even celebrate pride without risking violence and THIS is what justifies your humanity. K I'm done replying to this. If you have more to say, PM me. --- Sorry actual Gil fans.
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Post by Dirk on Jun 18, 2017 3:47:55 GMT
Great point. It's been said so many times, but Jill involvement in Gil romance is just problematic, considering that it is the only romance where the duty to procreate comes up. I would love to see what would happen if Sara is pressured to have a baby and that it is mentioned in the game that the population is not a problem, but resource to sustain the population is. Jill urging Gil to have a baby is preposterous. I still remember how Reyes' dance fucked up when it happened with Scott but not with Sara. Not sure if it is completely fixed though. From what I understand they fixed some of the issues, but if you pick the logical choice before the dance it's still pretty bad, but the other choice has decent animation apparently. It's a shame they didn't fix the dance to work with boy dialogue choices. That seems very strange to me. Interesting. Sadly I could not try it in this playthrough since I plan to lock in with Jaal. Reyes romance is easier to fix than Gil romance. They would need to change Jill quite significantly (or better just get rid of her lol) such that it does not sound homophobic. Like really, if all the scenes with Jill are replaced by something about himself solely, Gil romance would have been way more popular.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 18, 2017 3:48:35 GMT
quit holding back the people who fight for us to be treated like actual human beings. This is both sad and pathetic. This is a video game. This is a form of entertainment. It has no value other than what you make of it personally. You are not a lesser human being for not having equal content in the game. Your rights have not been infringed. What is this. My God my people can't even celebrate pride without risking violence and THIS is what justifies your humanity. K I'm done replying to this. It's clear you have no sense of reality. "I have no concept of the critical role media plays in affecting public perception and altering attitudes. I have no idea what other activism people are involved in, I just assume they are selfish and only care about video games, because it makes it easier to dismiss them. For some unfathomable reason, I wilfully ignore the very obvious fact that less effort was put into ALL of the LGBT characters, in every area from content to design. When someone points this out, I try to strawman by accusing them of just being disappointed by the lack of pornography." You're such a Milo.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2017 3:53:12 GMT
From what I understand they fixed some of the issues, but if you pick the logical choice before the dance it's still pretty bad, but the other choice has decent animation apparently. It's a shame they didn't fix the dance to work with boy dialogue choices. That seems very strange to me. Interesting. Sadly I could not try it in this playthrough since I plan to lock in with Jaal. Reyes romance is easier to fix than Gil romance. They would need to change Jill quite significantly (or better just get rid of her lol) such that it does not sound homophobic. Like really, if all the scenes with Jill are replaced by something about himself solely, Gil romance would have been way more popular. Yeah, I don't expect for there to be any real big improvements to Gil's romance until DLC comes out where they can make new scenes that focus on other aspects of the relationship. Patch-wise best case scenario would be fixing animation issues and maybe adding content to the existing scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 4:04:48 GMT
From what I understand they fixed some of the issues, but if you pick the logical choice before the dance it's still pretty bad, but the other choice has decent animation apparently. It's a shame they didn't fix the dance to work with boy dialogue choices. That seems very strange to me. Interesting. Sadly I could not try it in this playthrough since I plan to lock in with Jaal. Reyes romance is easier to fix than Gil romance. They would need to change Jill quite significantly (or better just get rid of her lol) such that it does not sound homophobic. Like really, if all the scenes with Jill are replaced by something about himself solely, Gil romance would have been way more popular. I would try it for science and reload and not lock in, but I trust Dino on this issue. She is a Reyes expert! So her findings will do for me.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 18, 2017 5:11:48 GMT
Interesting. Sadly I could not try it in this playthrough since I plan to lock in with Jaal. Reyes romance is easier to fix than Gil romance. They would need to change Jill quite significantly (or better just get rid of her lol) such that it does not sound homophobic. Like really, if all the scenes with Jill are replaced by something about himself solely, Gil romance would have been way more popular. Yeah, I don't expect for there to be any real big improvements to Gil's romance until DLC comes out where they can make new scenes that focus on other aspects of the relationship. Patch-wise best case scenario would be fixing animation issues and maybe adding content to the existing scenes. In the main game, I think the best thing they could do to fix the homophobic undertones in the baby subplot is add an email either late game or post-game where Gil mentions meeting a guy he's interested in dating. The absolute biggest problem with the Jill aspect is that it looks way too much like a gay guy settling down with a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:32:47 GMT
She has leaked a lot of stuff that were true, and she is a very reliable person, doesnt have powers or anything, but ok mate whatever floats your boat just ... try to build the minimal bridges between us and homophobes, because I see you still call us self-victims so I let you alone building those bridges, they love to have lgbtq peeps like you around So? I don't care what she has leaked or whether some happened to be true. Blindly believing anything that comes out of some source to justify your own biases is ridiculous, especially when that person has a personal stake in it. And stop being a hypocrite. Here you are continuing to separate even gay people into different boxes to perpetuate your own agenda, lumping me in with homophobes because I find it ridiculous that people correlate not having an uncensored sex cutscene to an attack on gay men. The best part is that I have totally been on board with the justified criticisms of Jaal's romance not being available, particularly because it made no sense both contextually (their culture) and from a meta perspective (he's a teammate which made sense as a romance). That's an ACTUAL failure on Bioware's part which I'm glad was amended. Not claims of sex cutscenes and people being unable to differentiate between a character/romance they dislike and a motivated attack by an LGBT pioneer. Laugh all you want and continue to stew in your echo chamber. lol does echo chamber now mean no one is agreeing with you but you're not even willing to consider that the majority of the LGBT fans on this forum have had strong issues with all aspects of LGBT content in the game? like the panda said, you're just reducing everything to sex scene content for some reason. Not that, you know, Suvi can't even state that she's not into men so as not to offend straight men who hit on her. Or that Peebee hits on any character who hasn't fully locked in to a romance, possibly making any person who is not remotely into her uncomfortable? There was bloody murder screamed when Anders hit on a male Hawke and yet now we have "who would want to push her off?" making a pass at us midway through the game even if we haven't flirted with her at all. The game is clearly designed for straight male gamers and if we want the design to be aimed at everyone we have to point these things out to Bioware. It doesn't help for people to say "this is fine, the content I got was fine even though there was absolutely no marketing aimed at me, my options have CC faces instead of custom faces, devs queerbaited about our options before the game came out so they could still get our money while knowing our content was less. And I'm going to try to tell those who aren't content to accept less content to shut up." here's an idea, if you're coming back into a thread about a gay male romance, don't start off by labeling the community as toxic and then expect civil discourse. Especially give your post history and our collective memories.
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Post by dino on Jun 18, 2017 16:58:14 GMT
Interesting. Sadly I could not try it in this playthrough since I plan to lock in with Jaal. Reyes romance is easier to fix than Gil romance. They would need to change Jill quite significantly (or better just get rid of her lol) such that it does not sound homophobic. Like really, if all the scenes with Jill are replaced by something about himself solely, Gil romance would have been way more popular. I would try it for science and reload and not lock in, but I trust Dino on this issue. She is a Reyes expert! So her findings will do for me. I read my name? So yes, the bug isn't fixed yet. Emotional Answer (with the 'consider me hacked' answer from Reyes) is okay but the logical, where you tell him that he will has always secrets, is still neck breaking. But there are more issues with the Reyes and Scott romance. Clipping issue hell. But bioware have still SO MUCH animations problems, that I don't believe that they will fix something. (like Reyes is bugging in the endgame scene when you are not romancing him or Liams scary open eyes in the endkiss...) Eeeeh... do be not fully out topic, here a gif.
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Post by Rannik on Jun 19, 2017 0:31:15 GMT
quit holding back the people who fight for us to be treated like actual human beings. This is both sad and pathetic. And incredibly infuriating. To think that after centuries of repression, war heroes being bullied to death, brilliant poets being executed and a endless list of anonymous lives ruined we have to entertain a bunch of clowns call their pissy fit about some completely inconsequential videogame character a "fight to be treated like actual human beings" genuinely makes me want to punch some reality into them. In a world where people are currently being put in concentration camps because of their sexuality a subjectively subpar videogame character is what some people have the gall to call "homophobia"... this shit is absolutely bonkers.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 19, 2017 1:04:23 GMT
This is both sad and pathetic. And incredibly infuriating. To think that after centuries of repression, war heroes being bullied to death, brilliant poets being executed and a endless list of anonymous lives ruined we have to entertain a bunch of clowns call their pissy fit about some completely inconsequential videogame character a "fight to be treated like actual human beings" genuinely makes me want to punch some reality into them. In a world where people are currently being put in concentration camps because of their sexuality a subjectively subpar videogame character is what some people have the gall to call "homophobia"... this shit is absolutely bonkers. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DEMAGOGUE MUCH?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 19, 2017 1:23:09 GMT
This is both sad and pathetic. And incredibly infuriating. To think that after centuries of repression, war heroes being bullied to death, brilliant poets being executed and a endless list of anonymous lives ruined we have to entertain a bunch of clowns call their pissy fit about some completely inconsequential videogame character a "fight to be treated like actual human beings" genuinely makes me want to punch some reality into them. In a world where people are currently being put in concentration camps because of their sexuality a subjectively subpar videogame character is what some people have the gall to call "homophobia"... this shit is absolutely bonkers. And exactly what are you doing about those issues, since you care so fucking much? By all means, go to the websites talking about that, and leave us the fuck alone.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 19, 2017 1:31:56 GMT
And incredibly infuriating. To think that after centuries of repression, war heroes being bullied to death, brilliant poets being executed and a endless list of anonymous lives ruined we have to entertain a bunch of clowns call their pissy fit about some completely inconsequential videogame character a "fight to be treated like actual human beings" genuinely makes me want to punch some reality into them. In a world where people are currently being put in concentration camps because of their sexuality a subjectively subpar videogame character is what some people have the gall to call "homophobia"... this shit is absolutely bonkers. And exactly what are you doing about those issues, since you care so fucking much? By all means, go to the websites talking about that, and leave us the fuck alone. His gayness level 10000000000000000x give him powers to know what us ungrateful gays do out this forum lol it's funny tho :poop:
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 19, 2017 1:36:44 GMT
And exactly what are you doing about those issues, since you care so fucking much? By all means, go to the websites talking about that, and leave us the fuck alone. His gayness level 10000000000000000x give him powers to know what us ungrateful gays do out this forum lol it's funny tho :poop: Fuckin Milos, man. They pop up everywhere. Anyone who says we should be grateful just because we aren't currently being FUCKIN MURDERED should have their gay card revoked. Or better yet, kick them off the planet entirely.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 19, 2017 2:08:40 GMT
His gayness level 10000000000000000x give him powers to know what us ungrateful gays do out this forum lol it's funny tho :poop: Fuckin Milos, man. They pop up everywhere. Anyone who says we should be grateful just because we aren't currently being FUCKIN MURDERED should have their gay card revoked. Or better yet, kick them off the planet entirely. Well, personally I took his statement more as being "turn down the hyperbole." Which I actually agree with.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 19, 2017 2:12:50 GMT
Fuckin Milos, man. They pop up everywhere. Anyone who says we should be grateful just because we aren't currently being FUCKIN MURDERED should have their gay card revoked. Or better yet, kick them off the planet entirely. Well, personally I took his statement more as being "turn down the hyperbole." Which I actually agree with. Oh fuck off. People all over this forum are saying BioWare Montreal should be crucified over SUBPAR ANIMATIONS, but heaven forbid any gay man playing the game ask for equal content.
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