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Post by Artemis on Jun 21, 2017 16:09:41 GMT
He deleted his account, it's too late. Anyway you were pretty happy how things turned out, this is not something he's making up out of nowhere xD I'm very disappointed about your views on bi Jaal, because you drew homophobes with you, the thing about Jaal is a big win because Bioware realised about their big mistake of not having a squadmate, and they fixed it. It's a big victory for lgbtq players. This so called precedent is nonsense, because there were people demanding bi Suvi from the beginning. Fuck those people really. The only fact that matters it is that the unbalance has been fixed. Period. Now the next thing to do is fixing Reyes and Gil content in a future dlc if they are not going to fix the content in the vanilla game. I received a review copy, so I was finished up my romances when it came to light that the M/M romances had less content. So I went in not having this knowledge and yes, I did enjoy the content that was there. Am I critical of it, oh hells yeah. I did not draw homophones to me, it'd be pretty weird considering I myself am a gay man. I approve of what they did with Jaal, just not how they did it. Patching in a character's sexuality invites for others to demand the same of other characters. A pandora's box has been opened. Yes he was always supposed to be so, but it shipped how it shipped and the demand for other characters (whom have specified sexuality even) to be changed was ignited as a result of patching Jaal. I enjoyed the content, I'm always for more inclusion of the LGBT community in games, I'm gay FFS. I just think the way they did it wasn't the best course of action in terms of the community. You'll understand this in future games when people immediately demand other characters be patched to be bisexual because "oh, well you did it for Jaal." It would've been better to develop his sexuality in a future game. Kinda like the Kaidan route. You paint me as some nefarious anti-gay character inclusion person, but often times you guys haven't actually paid attention to what I've said... I'm totally with you on the unbalance. And think they should maybe balance out the romances with the patches. I just think patching in a change to character sexuality is going to lead to a lot of trouble in the future. I have been paying attention to what you say since you were just another forumer in the Cullen thread. Though I can't really pay attention to what you say on Twitter since you blocked me. The fact that you were given a review copy says it all. They give you free stuff. They do the same for the other YouTubers. It's ridiculous. You are all fans, just like us; you just decided to start making videos on YouTube. (And yes, I remember when AbilityDrain started making videos, and I remember when you decided to do the same thing, and I remember when you were a jerk to her and stalked her FFN site, and I remember seeing a picture of you two being cozy buddies now because that's how it works once you've made it.) Now because BioWare gives you free games and merch you tow the line to please them. It's not unlike American politicians who are elected by their voters then in turn vote the way their corporate overlords wish them to vote. It is quite obvious to anyone who has been following you since you were Ericander on the old BSN that you will do whatever it takes to get ahead in the business, including bullying other fans and contradicting your own previous beliefs. I wish you would take a long hard look at yourself and what hurt your actions have caused other people throughout the years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 16:14:16 GMT
He deleted his account, it's too late. Anyway you were pretty happy how things turned out, this is not something he's making up out of nowhere xD I'm very disappointed about your views on bi Jaal, because you drew homophobes with you, the thing about Jaal is a big win because Bioware realised about their big mistake of not having a squadmate, and they fixed it. It's a big victory for lgbtq players. This so called precedent is nonsense, because there were people demanding bi Suvi from the beginning. Fuck those people really. The only fact that matters it is that the unbalance has been fixed. Period. Now the next thing to do is fixing Reyes and Gil content in a future dlc if they are not going to fix the content in the vanilla game. I received a review copy, so I was finished up my romances when it came to light that the M/M romances had less content. So I went in not having this knowledge and yes, I did enjoy the content that was there. Am I critical of it, oh hells yeah. I did not draw homophones to me, it'd be pretty weird considering I myself am a gay man. I approve of what they did with Jaal, just not how they did it. Patching in a character's sexuality invites for others to demand the same of other characters. A pandora's box has been opened. Yes he was always supposed to be so, but it shipped how it shipped and the demand for other characters (whom have specified sexuality even) to be changed was ignited as a result of patching Jaal. I enjoyed the content, I'm always for more inclusion of the LGBT community in games, I'm gay FFS. I just think the way they did it wasn't the best course of action in terms of the community. You'll understand this in future games when people immediately demand other characters be patched to be bisexual because "oh, well you did it for Jaal." It would've been better to develop his sexuality in a future game. Kinda like the Kaidan route. You paint me as some nefarious anti-gay character inclusion person, but often times you guys haven't actually paid attention to what I've said... I'm totally with you on the unbalance. And think they should maybe balance out the romances with the patches. I just think patching in a change to character sexuality is going to lead to a lot of trouble in the future. I feel like I should step in... Firstly, heterosexual content won't ever get the short-end of the stick like how Andromeda did with m/m content when it was launched. If people demand certain characters, particularly gay characters to be made bisexual, and then cite Jaal, they missed the point on why that change was made- to rectify that lack of content. Yes, it was not ideal. Yes, it should've been in there SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING AND WE COULD'VE AVOIDED THIS ENTIRE MESS. But yes, a lot of lgbt+ players have a lot of reservations having to pay more (like a DLC) for content to be on equal footing with content that was already there and tailored for every other demographic. Had there been a gay/bi squadmate or a crew member with content that was as in depth as Cullen's was in Inquisition, there wouldn't be this need for Andromeda to patch in Jaal's bisexuality. But because this was the best they could do in such short notice since the release date, well... If the team behind Andromeda believed that the little m/m content- story, characters, and all, would go unnoticed, particularly if Bioware does tout itself as an all-inclusive AAA gaming studio and they know they have a huge lgbt+ fanbase... I'm not sure what to think. Perhaps they didn't notice it themselves. I don't know. But I like to think that Jaal is a one off and no more. Hopefully the next few games would take lgbt+ content and representation (particularly gay/bi male content, since that seems to be the first to get the chop before the game ships) with more care. |
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Post by Dukemon on Jun 21, 2017 16:16:39 GMT
I do not understand the lgbt people, because I do not see any problem with 'only' two gay and lesbian romances. When you want the romance trophy try another romance, there are enough options, already. I did it with Vetra and Scott (and Drack  ), too. I had fun and played another role of Scott. The problem of the gay romances is that the screentime and the style of them seem to be little compered to Cora and Peebee romances. New Jaal romance is free. Nice, thank you, but I expected something else. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 21, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
I do not understand the lgbt people, because I do not see any problem with 'only' two gay and lesbian romances. When you want the romance trophy try another romance, there are enough options, already. I did it with Vetra and Scott (and Drack ), too. I had fun and played another role of Scott. The problem of the gay romances is that the screentime and the style of them seem to be little compered to Cora and Peebee romances. New Jaal romance is free. Nice, thank you, but I expected something else. Ehhhh the trophy was the less of our problems... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 16:26:27 GMT
I received a review copy, so I was finished up my romances when it came to light that the M/M romances had less content. So I went in not having this knowledge and yes, I did enjoy the content that was there. Am I critical of it, oh hells yeah. I did not draw homophones to me, it'd be pretty weird considering I myself am a gay man. I approve of what they did with Jaal, just not how they did it. Patching in a character's sexuality invites for others to demand the same of other characters. A pandora's box has been opened. Yes he was always supposed to be so, but it shipped how it shipped and the demand for other characters (whom have specified sexuality even) to be changed was ignited as a result of patching Jaal. I enjoyed the content, I'm always for more inclusion of the LGBT community in games, I'm gay FFS. I just think the way they did it wasn't the best course of action in terms of the community. You'll understand this in future games when people immediately demand other characters be patched to be bisexual because "oh, well you did it for Jaal." It would've been better to develop his sexuality in a future game. Kinda like the Kaidan route. You paint me as some nefarious anti-gay character inclusion person, but often times you guys haven't actually paid attention to what I've said... I'm totally with you on the unbalance. And think they should maybe balance out the romances with the patches. I just think patching in a change to character sexuality is going to lead to a lot of trouble in the future. I feel like I should step in... Firstly, heterosexual content won't ever get the short-end of the stick like how Andromeda did with m/m content when it was launched. If people demand certain characters, particularly gay characters to be made bisexual, and then cite Jaal, they missed the point on why that change was made- to rectify that lack of content. Yes, it was not ideal. Yes, it should've been in there SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING AND WE COULD'VE AVOIDED THIS ENTIRE MESS. But yes, a lot of lgbt+ players have a lot of reservations having to pay more (like a DLC) for content to be on equal footing with content that was already there and tailored for every other demographic. Had there been a gay/bi squadmate or a crew member with content that was as in depth as Cullen's was in Inquisition, there wouldn't be this need for Andromeda to patch in Jaal's bisexuality. But because this was the best they could do in such short notice since the release date, well... If the team behind Andromeda believed that the little m/m content- story, characters, and all, would not go unnoticed, particularly if Bioware does tout itself as an all-inclusive AAA gaming studio and they know they have a huge lgbt+ fanbase... I'm not sure what to think. Perhaps they didn't notice it themselves. I don't know. But I like to think that Jaal is a one off and no more. Hopefully the next few games would take lgbt+ content and representation (particularly gay/bi male content, since that seems to be the first to get the chop before the game ships) with more care. Jaal also proved BW can make bi romances that are not copy and pastes. He's the first one to have a romance that differs depending on if you romance him as male Ryder or female Ryder, and hopefully is an inspiration for more bi romances in future games. If you guys want to take the Jaal convo to our Jaal thread, we won't mind, but let's give poor Gil a break lol |
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Post by Artemis on Jun 21, 2017 16:38:42 GMT
I feel like I should step in... Firstly, heterosexual content won't ever get the short-end of the stick like how Andromeda did with m/m content when it was launched. If people demand certain characters, particularly gay characters to be made bisexual, and then cite Jaal, they missed the point on why that change was made- to rectify that lack of content. Yes, it was not ideal. Yes, it should've been in there SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING AND WE COULD'VE AVOIDED THIS ENTIRE MESS. But yes, a lot of lgbt+ players have a lot of reservations having to pay more (like a DLC) for content to be on equal footing with content that was already there and tailored for every other demographic. Had there been a gay/bi squadmate or a crew member with content that was as in depth as Cullen's was in Inquisition, there wouldn't be this need for Andromeda to patch in Jaal's bisexuality. But because this was the best they could do in such short notice since the release date, well... If the team behind Andromeda believed that the little m/m content- story, characters, and all, would not go unnoticed, particularly if Bioware does tout itself as an all-inclusive AAA gaming studio and they know they have a huge lgbt+ fanbase... I'm not sure what to think. Perhaps they didn't notice it themselves. I don't know. But I like to think that Jaal is a one off and no more. Hopefully the next few games would take lgbt+ content and representation (particularly gay/bi male content, since that seems to be the first to get the chop before the game ships) with more care. Jaal also proved BW can make bi romances that are not copy and pastes. He's the first one to have a romance that differs depending on if you romance him as male Ryder or female Ryder, and hopefully is an inspiration for more bi romances in future games. If you guys want to take the Jaal convo to our Jaal thread, we won't mind, but let's give poor Gil a break lol Pretty sure they don't need your permission to do that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 16:40:22 GMT
Jaal also proved BW can make bi romances that are not copy and pastes. He's the first one to have a romance that differs depending on if you romance him as male Ryder or female Ryder, and hopefully is an inspiration for more bi romances in future games. If you guys want to take the Jaal convo to our Jaal thread, we won't mind, but let's give poor Gil a break lol Pretty sure they don't need your permission to do that. After everything that happened it doesn't hurt to remind them they are welcome. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 21, 2017 16:50:52 GMT
Pretty sure they don't need your permission to do that. After everything that happened it doesn't hurt to remind them they are welcome. This is pretty much a m/m content discussion. But if i'm being honest with you, we visit other threads and watched comments of yours still talking how Jaal is straight in your mind because it would be different if he was bi XD I'm not even mad, I was expecting to see your true colors again after all the support you showed us when bi Jaal happened (which was quite nice), you know I was willing to give you another chance for fourth time XD it's laughable tho, I swear I'm not mad or anything, I have other places to fangirl about Jaal without seeing your fakes intentions tada!! |
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Post by Artemis on Jun 21, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
Pretty sure they don't need your permission to do that. After everything that happened it doesn't hurt to remind them they are welcome. They don't need that from you. You don't own the thread; you don't represent the thread. The person who technically owns the thread is the admin of this forum. You are not the gatekeeper to the Jaal fandom or the Jaal thread. I know for a fact that several people from the thread feel annoyed or uncomfortable by your tendency to act like you own the thread. And no, not the gays whom you pretend to respect but fellow straight women who thoroughly enjoyed and fangirled over Jaal's romance with Sara. Even some of them are put off by your actions. Anyone who likes Jaal can enter the Jaal thread. If anyone feels unwelcome due to homophobic or biphobic or sexist comments by you or other members, then they can report the post, and hopefully moderators will deal with the situation accordingly. But any member of this forum can participate in any discussion so long as they're civil. No one is looking to you to roll the welcome mat out for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 16:56:10 GMT
After everything that happened it doesn't hurt to remind them they are welcome. This is pretty much a m/m content discussion. But if i'm being honest with you, we visit other threads and watched comments of yours still talking how Jaal is straight in your mind because it would be different if he was bi XD I'm not even mad, I was expecting to see your true colors again after all the support you showed us when bi Jaal happened (which was quite nice), you know I was willing to give you another chance for fourth time XD it's laughable tho, I swear I'm not mad or anything, I have other places to fangirl about Jaal without seeing your fakes intentions tada!! That? lol yeah I talked with Obiwan about it. It's basically as BioFan said. Jaal was bi, but changed straight, so when the game launched him straight, the mind makes you think it's official. Then the change happens and it once again changes your view, so after 4 months one way, seeing him another way takes time to adjust for some of us. Obiwan knew what I meant. Also I never said it was different if he was bi, I said bi or not changes nothing about him and Sara and I said it feels like he's complete. Artemis  |
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Post by disgustednoise on Jun 21, 2017 16:57:41 GMT
Ugh I am so sick of Jaal drama.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 21, 2017 16:58:56 GMT
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 21, 2017 17:02:51 GMT
This is pretty much a m/m content discussion. But if i'm being honest with you, we visit other threads and watched comments of yours still talking how Jaal is straight in your mind because it would be different if he was bi XD I'm not even mad, I was expecting to see your true colors again after all the support you showed us when bi Jaal happened (which was quite nice), you know I was willing to give you another chance for fourth time XD it's laughable tho, I swear I'm not mad or anything, I have other places to fangirl about Jaal without seeing your fakes intentions tada!! That? lol yeah I talked with Obiwan about it. It's basically as BioFan said. Jaal was bi, but changed straight, so when the game launched him straight, the mind makes you think it's official. Then the change happens and it once again changes your view, so after 4 months one way, seeing him another way takes time to adjust for some of us. Obiwan knew what I meant. Also I never said it was different if he was bi, I said bi or not changes nothing about him and Sara and I said it feels like he's complete. Artemis I dont care, I need some closure with you XD I'm happy that Jaal can raw me *__* canon bisexual  edit. sorry for derail the discussion  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 17:04:59 GMT
That? lol yeah I talked with Obiwan about it. It's basically as BioFan said. Jaal was bi, but changed straight, so when the game launched him straight, the mind makes you think it's official. Then the change happens and it once again changes your view, so after 4 months one way, seeing him another way takes time to adjust for some of us. Obiwan knew what I meant. Also I never said it was different if he was bi, I said bi or not changes nothing about him and Sara and I said it feels like he's complete. Artemis I dont care, I need some closure with you XD I'm happy that Jaal can raw me *__* canon bisexual Haha PM me if you want. I'm always free to chat! Vent at me, say anything you want to me. I won't report it. I encourage it. |
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 21, 2017 17:43:10 GMT
Can we calm it down in here please, I'm seeing posts verging on nasty that need to stop. Screw the penguin. You can't eat them anyway.  Fuckaaahh whales, fuckaaahh you penguins.  (I'm just kidding, don't ban me. I just wanna lighten up the mood, and I just don't like penguins  ) |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 21, 2017 18:45:27 GMT
Whatever the situation, it seems very much like she was the only person who really showed an interest or concern for him at some point. Thing is, exploring this connection could have been interesting, offer us more insight in to Gil, show some of his past. It'd involve Jill gaining more involvement in things, talking to Ryder away from him, but... If this were instead in service of developing Gil's character, not having her exist to supplement the baby thing (you know, make her... NOT a procreation tech, make her involved in some element of the Nexus or another, so it actually MAKES. FREAKING. SENSE. that she's out of cryo before a foothold has been established), I could accept it. Have her talk about the things that Gil doesn't - if he's the 'live in the moment' kind of guy, have her be the one who is remembering the past and Ryder as the foundation for the future. It's so aggravating that in less than five minutes, I can build a better story arc for Gil than he got. Totally agree with you. My problem is less with Jill herself and more about how she was executed. Particularly due to the fact that she takes up so much time in Gil's arc/romance but it's all in a way that gives very little insight into Gil himself. And I've always found the glossing over of Gil's backstory outside of codex entries to be fucking infuriating. Gil's childhood experience is completely unique among the human characters in the series outside of Earthborn Shepard, and yet it's completely glossed over in favor of baby stuff they couldn't be bothered to execute properly. It's just a shame because Gil himself is so charming and if they had focused on his personality and backstory (like every other character) instead of Jill/the baby, then he could have been a really great romance even with the C tier amount of screen time. Agree 100%. The hints about Gil's backstory are so tantalizing. Why didn't they just focus on that part of him?  |
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Post by Dirk on Jun 21, 2017 19:27:16 GMT
Welp, I am late, but thank you Artemis for killing it and calling out. I am glad I am not the only one who notice those things. I think the whole baby thing with Gil would have worked better if the involvement with Jill was limited to her being just a surrogate or a facilitator. Like the idea of having baby should have been brought up by Gil with nothing to do with Jill. And if you said yes to the baby, he could then ask Jill for help. This way there would be no duty to procreate stuff, and the baby would belong to yours and Gil's alone. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 21, 2017 19:51:54 GMT
Welp, I am late, but thank you Artemis for killing it and calling out. I am glad I am not the only one who notice those things. I think the whole baby thing with Gil would have worked better if the involvement with Jill was limited to her being just a surrogate or a facilitator. Like the idea of having baby should have been brought up by Gil with nothing to do with Jill. And if you said yes to the baby, he could then ask Jill for help. This way there would be no duty to procreate stuff, and the baby would belong to yours and Gil's alone. It seems to me that they approached it from a "two dads" view and thought that players would like it and think it sweet. There are some players who do indeed feel this way. But the execution was horrendous. I think your method here would have been SO much better for showing that, and also would have shown Gil growing as a person from his relationship with Scott. On the other hand... the current way makes me feel less bad about declining the baby because it does come across as him being influenced by Jill, rather than something that HE really wants and understands the full implications of. I don't like the options when you decline. Scott starts to say something, but Gil interrupts by saying that, whatever the reason is, it doesn't matter and he's fine with it. But communication is important to me, and I wouldn't want to leave it like that. I feel like I was deprived of a roleplay opportunity in the scene. |
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Post by Rannik on Jun 21, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
Hey BioFan . Just wanted to say that you're a member of the lgbt community, and the fact that you've annoyed alot of lgbt people here shows you're clearly doing something wrong buddy. Sounds more like a hivemind than a community. |
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Post by Dirk on Jun 21, 2017 20:53:41 GMT
Welp, I am late, but thank you Artemis for killing it and calling out. I am glad I am not the only one who notice those things. I think the whole baby thing with Gil would have worked better if the involvement with Jill was limited to her being just a surrogate or a facilitator. Like the idea of having baby should have been brought up by Gil with nothing to do with Jill. And if you said yes to the baby, he could then ask Jill for help. This way there would be no duty to procreate stuff, and the baby would belong to yours and Gil's alone. It seems to me that they approached it from a "two dads" view and thought that players would like it and think it sweet. There are some players who do indeed feel this way. But the execution was horrendous. I think your method here would have been SO much better for showing that, and also would have shown Gil growing as a person from his relationship with Scott. On the other hand... the current way makes me feel less bad about declining the baby because it does come across as him being influenced by Jill, rather than something that HE really wants and understands the full implications of. I don't like the options when you decline. Scott starts to say something, but Gil interrupts by saying that, whatever the reason is, it doesn't matter and he's fine with it. But communication is important to me, and I wouldn't want to leave it like that. I feel like I was deprived of a roleplay opportunity in the scene. Oh yeah I would love a really long talk with him about the baby because it is not a small decision. The whole conversation feels too short and too abrupt. Now I hope for a system like DA Keep because I regret my decision about the baby and I would love to change it. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 21, 2017 22:12:04 GMT
Welp, I am late, but thank you Artemis for killing it and calling out. I am glad I am not the only one who notice those things. I think the whole baby thing with Gil would have worked better if the involvement with Jill was limited to her being just a surrogate or a facilitator. Like the idea of having baby should have been brought up by Gil with nothing to do with Jill. And if you said yes to the baby, he could then ask Jill for help. This way there would be no duty to procreate stuff, and the baby would belong to yours and Gil's alone. It seems to me that they approached it from a "two dads" view and thought that players would like it and think it sweet. There are some players who do indeed feel this way. But the execution was horrendous. I think your method here would have been SO much better for showing that, and also would have shown Gil growing as a person from his relationship with Scott. On the other hand... the current way makes me feel less bad about declining the baby because it does come across as him being influenced by Jill, rather than something that HE really wants and understands the full implications of. I don't like the options when you decline. Scott starts to say something, but Gil interrupts by saying that, whatever the reason is, it doesn't matter and he's fine with it. But communication is important to me, and I wouldn't want to leave it like that. I feel like I was deprived of a roleplay opportunity in the scene. I actually did write up a fic (haven't posted it yet) where they do just that. When I put it up, I'll be sure to drop a link by here. But yeah... The fact that the whole thing happens in the space of a two minute conversation at best is ludicrous. Like, this is a major, life changing event, this is something you put time and thought into, not just jump into it because the opportunity happens to exist in this moment - it's not even like this is a decision that HAS to be made at that moment. I mean, I get the impression that Ryder, Gil, and Jill are all in the same age range, which means that Jill's still going to be able to bear a child for at least another ten YEARS, not even getting to the option of using other surrogates. Nothing about this decision HAS to be taking place right this very second. |
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Post by melbella on Jun 22, 2017 0:34:10 GMT
I just want to say thanks to everyone for the discussion. Learning a lot by reading this thread.  |
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Post by Dirk on Jun 22, 2017 1:21:04 GMT
It seems to me that they approached it from a "two dads" view and thought that players would like it and think it sweet. There are some players who do indeed feel this way. But the execution was horrendous. I think your method here would have been SO much better for showing that, and also would have shown Gil growing as a person from his relationship with Scott. On the other hand... the current way makes me feel less bad about declining the baby because it does come across as him being influenced by Jill, rather than something that HE really wants and understands the full implications of. I don't like the options when you decline. Scott starts to say something, but Gil interrupts by saying that, whatever the reason is, it doesn't matter and he's fine with it. But communication is important to me, and I wouldn't want to leave it like that. I feel like I was deprived of a roleplay opportunity in the scene. I actually did write up a fic (haven't posted it yet) where they do just that. When I put it up, I'll be sure to drop a link by here. But yeah... The fact that the whole thing happens in the space of a two minute conversation at best is ludicrous. Like, this is a major, life changing event, this is something you put time and thought into, not just jump into it because the opportunity happens to exist in this moment - it's not even like this is a decision that HAS to be made at that moment. I mean, I get the impression that Ryder, Gil, and Jill are all in the same age range, which means that Jill's still going to be able to bear a child for at least another ten YEARS, not even getting to the option of using other surrogates. Nothing about this decision HAS to be taking place right this very second. You, fanfiction writers, are a bless. I would love to hear what people come up with improvements to the baby conversation or the baby plot. |
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), too. I had fun and played another role of Scott. 
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