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Post by fatherjerusalem on Feb 24, 2017 6:11:14 GMT
I mean, Aaryn Flynn already stated that the version of the game that was previewed was not the latest version of the game, and that over 500 bugfixes have been made and they're working on more for a day one patch, and that everyone who got a preview of the game already KNEW that fact, but okay, ~*technical issues*~.
And until they come out and say exactly why they're comparing it to DAI, and why those comparisons are 100% negative... I'm gonna sit over here and roll my eyes, because MOST of the things I've read and seen today have been almost entirely positive.
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 24, 2017 6:20:00 GMT
I mean, Aaryn Flynn already stated that the version of the game that was previewed was not the latest version of the game, and that over 500 bugfixes have been made and they're working on more for a day one patch, and that everyone who got a preview of the game already KNEW that fact, but okay, ~*technical issues*~. And until they come out and say exactly why they're comparing it to DAI, and why those comparisons are 100% negative... I'm gonna sit over here and roll my eyes, because MOST of the things I've read and seen today have been almost entirely positive. I hear ya, I'm not really worried about the bugs - those will be fixed. Was more worried about the 'feel' but yes you are right. Still not enough info. I've had a feeling that it's more quantity this time than quality - I hope I'm wrong. More like Skyrim in space.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 24, 2017 6:40:24 GMT
I mean, Aaryn Flynn already stated that the version of the game that was previewed was not the latest version of the game, and that over 500 bugfixes have been made and they're working on more for a day one patch, and that everyone who got a preview of the game already KNEW that fact, but okay, ~*technical issues*~. And until they come out and say exactly why they're comparing it to DAI, and why those comparisons are 100% negative... I'm gonna sit over here and roll my eyes, because MOST of the things I've read and seen today have been almost entirely positive. >not the latest build! If I had a dollar for devs telling gullible drones to not worry about a game preview build being crap and to expect a superior one on release only to find out it's the same version with all the flaws present, then I'd be a millionaire.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 24, 2017 6:44:47 GMT
Outside of confirming that indeed, MEA will be the worst game ever that will make you be able to cope with all of your family dying in a fire at once because of how far less terrible it will feel compared to playing MEA, all I heard are technical issues supposedly heavy enough that they can't be all tackled before launch.
I'm rejecting the sense of familiarity criticism angle. ME2 felt good mostly because ME1 mechanics were so abysmal and ME3 was just a refinement of ME3. Theres only so many steps you can take until you get what you want.
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Post by clips7 on Feb 24, 2017 6:45:39 GMT
We'll just have to wait and see for ourselves....alot of previews all have one thing in common and that there are performance issues and animation issues that still need to be addressed. Now I don't know what the deadline is as far as polishing goes, but if there are still issues here and there and the build that gaming sites was playing was from an earlier build, it's possible that those issues are being or have been addressed at this point.
What might be a bit concerning is that Bioware stated these gaming sites couldn't record their footage....so idk. The very latest vid released concerning combat...looked ok. My only real concern at this point in terms of combat is there an option for us to combat roll?....I'm a bit old school, and it may change when i actually get my hands on the game itself, but i'm not fond of hovering in mid-air shooting at enemies from above.
Don' get get me wrong i like that they are making attempts to make the combat fresh, I just wonder if there are options for traditional combat....
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 24, 2017 6:45:47 GMT
I mean, Aaryn Flynn already stated that the version of the game that was previewed was not the latest version of the game, and that over 500 bugfixes have been made and they're working on more for a day one patch, and that everyone who got a preview of the game already KNEW that fact, but okay, ~*technical issues*~. And until they come out and say exactly why they're comparing it to DAI, and why those comparisons are 100% negative... I'm gonna sit over here and roll my eyes, because MOST of the things I've read and seen today have been almost entirely positive. I hear ya, I'm not really worried about the bugs - those will be fixed. Was more worried about the 'feel' but yes you are right. Still not enough info. I've had a feeling that it's more quantity this time than quality - I hope I'm wrong. More like Skyrim in space. You know, I think the combat in the game will be about 100X better than Skyrim. And the leveling is fairly similar I think too.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 24, 2017 6:51:46 GMT
I mean, Aaryn Flynn already stated that the version of the game that was previewed was not the latest version of the game, and that over 500 bugfixes have been made and they're working on more for a day one patch, and that everyone who got a preview of the game already KNEW that fact, but okay, ~*technical issues*~. And until they come out and say exactly why they're comparing it to DAI, and why those comparisons are 100% negative... I'm gonna sit over here and roll my eyes, because MOST of the things I've read and seen today have been almost entirely positive. >not the latest build! If I had a dollar for devs telling gullible drones to not worry about a game preview build being crap and to expect a superior one on release only to find out it's the same version with all the flaws present, then I'd be a millionaire. That's unfortunately very true. We can hear stories of 5 gorillion bugs removed since disarming the turian, but it can be just an expected number of bugs in such a period in an AAA game development, and we must remember that the reporter had concerns even with being in a situation of playing preview builds numerous times. I have no doubt that if the reporters were allowed to record not spoilery parts of the build we'd be sitting on a meme gold mine.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 24, 2017 6:53:37 GMT
The art is very similar to Mass Effect on a new engine. The combat looks similar with more refined visuals. The progression system takes ME3's very developed one a step further.
If he's referring to story then no shit. It's not going to feel like Mass Effect when all the cast is gone. The story in most BioWare games has always been the characters first and foremost and this is brand new territory.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 24, 2017 6:54:51 GMT
We'll just have to wait and see for ourselves....alot of previews all have one thing in common and that there are performance issues and animation issues that still need to be addressed. Now I don't know what the deadline is as far as polishing goes, but if there are still issues here and there and the build that gaming sites was playing was from an earlier build, it's possible that those issues are being or have been addressed at this point. What might be a bit concerning is that Bioware stated these gaming sites couldn't record their footage....so idk. The very latest vid released concerning combat...looked ok. My only real concern at this point in terms of combat is there an option for us to combat roll?....I'm a bit old school, and it may change when i actually get my hands on the game itself, but i'm not fond of hovering in mid-air shooting at enemies from above. Don' get get me wrong i like that they are making attempts to make the combat fresh, I just wonder if there are options for traditional combat.... Combat parts are probably okay. It's the close-ups and faces Bioware are probably scared to show to avoid more bad PR and screenshot comparisons with TW3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 7:05:28 GMT
I know I'm not helping myself, but I tweeted the writer of the IGN article and said: @charalanahzard Did ME:A feel like "Mass Effect" to you? or just Drgn Age:Inquis in space? GS editor felt that way. good article! @thediscoeffect It didn't feel a whole lot like Mass Effect to me. And then you look at the Rock Paper Shotgun article which explicitly says in the last paragraph: "Most important is that it feels like Mass Effect, and it looks like it’s building on the best aspects of the previous games." So, like a lot of people have already said, when a reviewer says that a game "feels like ..." it pretty much means nothing unless they really elaborate on what exactly they mean by it.
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Post by kingjuly on Feb 24, 2017 7:19:39 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit.
Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space?
Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins.
Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins..
Is it because of the combat? Last I checked, ME is a shooter and Inquisition is not
IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look somewhat different. (Though now I kinda want elves in space)
Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages.
The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. People keep complaining that it looks or feels like DA:I in space and then providing very flimsy reasons for that. Put more thought into it then maybe your argument for why the game is bad will actually be more than just baseless complaining.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 24, 2017 7:40:23 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit. Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space? Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that. And? So did DAI, the comparison is not wrong especially since they're by the same dev.Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that. And? So did DAI, the comparison is not wrong especially since they're by the same dev.
Is it because of the combat? Not possible, ME is a shooter. Possible, just a different focus on what "combat" entails. The mook-mobs are similar.
IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look different. Same engine.Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. I wouldn't know about this one.
The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. The game FEELS different for everyone, so even if someone did get vibes of DA:I that doesn't make it a bad thing. Play the game for yourself and Im sure you'll get a whole different 'feeling'. If the game "feels" different for everyone why does it upset you that it "feels" like DAI to some people anyway?
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Post by spacev3gan on Feb 24, 2017 7:52:43 GMT
In all honesty, "improved Dragon Age: Inquisiton" and "DA:I in space" sound pretty good to me.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Feb 24, 2017 7:55:59 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit. Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space? Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that. And? So did DAI, the comparison is not wrong especially since they're by the same dev.Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that. And? So did DAI, the comparison is not wrong especially since they're by the same dev.
Is it because of the combat? Not possible, ME is a shooter. Possible, just a different focus on what "combat" entails. The mook-mobs are similar.
IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look different. Same engine.Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. I wouldn't know about this one.
The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. The game FEELS different for everyone, so even if someone did get vibes of DA:I that doesn't make it a bad thing. Play the game for yourself and Im sure you'll get a whole different 'feeling'. If the game "feels" different for everyone why does it upset you that it "feels" like DAI to some people anyway? Because it's stupid. By their logic I can say DAI feels like ME1 because of the large empty zones, it's a very stupid thing to say and yet people are doing it.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 24, 2017 8:01:32 GMT
Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. LMAO.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 24, 2017 8:02:49 GMT
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 8:04:06 GMT
Funny enough, Shinobi only quote the most favorable quotes too even from the more cautious previewers in the GAF thread. I think it's good to show not every outlet was skeptical but I still think it's pretty fair to say that for a game in this franchise there should've been more hype at this point and you can't just force it because people judge what they see. It's not just us or other fans but the people finally getting to play it will react the same and "Far more than DA:I in space" seems to me like a statement that's kinda apologetic and aware that it's going against the grain.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 24, 2017 8:16:58 GMT
My opinion is that Everyone who has played the game is almost automatically going to have somewhat mixed reviews. The reasons for this are really quite simple: - These are reviewers ie. critics of the game. It would look really bad on their image if they gave everything in the game a stellar outlook. These are the type of people who can find faults with just about any game on the market.
- Hardly anything has been said about this game so far. This will automatically create a general caution of what is viewed from the person playing said preview of game.
- People do not believe something if all that is said about it is good. The human mind is meant for seeing errors as a survival trait.
- There is a fear that the "other guys" will find something about the game that they didn't see. This is usually a negative. (See point 3)
So the fact that it is getting mostly positive reviews so far is a really, really good sign.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2017 8:27:54 GMT
Technical and performance issues reported so far seem typical of modern AAA title game, especially ones based on Frostbite engine.
So, really, you're overdoing with fears guys.
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Post by disi on Feb 24, 2017 8:29:22 GMT
Youtube link: RPG elements are for him the skill tree and crafting. Towards the end he said it feels like enhanced DAI in space, he is afraid of missing cinematics elements like we were used to from the other Mass Effect games (4:00+). Missing wow-effect. Combat and RPG elements(skill tree) are fantastic. It may be like DAI (constant grinding and killing stuff with a few cinematics in between).
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Post by Fredward on Feb 24, 2017 8:34:47 GMT
If the game "feels" different for everyone why does it upset you that it "feels" like DAI to some people anyway? Because it's stupid. By their logic I can say DAI feels like ME1 because of the large empty zones, it's a very stupid thing to say and yet people are doing it. Would it help if they qualified it a bit? DAI feels like ME1 [in the respect that it has large empty spaces]. I kinda assumed that was implied.
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 24, 2017 8:39:10 GMT
Youtube link: RPG elements are for him the skill tree and crafting. Towards the end he said it feels like enhanced DAI in space, he is afraid of missing cinematics elements like we were used to from the other Mass Effect games (4:00+). Missing wow-effect. Combat and RPG elements(skill tree) are fantastic. It may be like DAI (constant grinding and killing stuff with a few cinematics in between). That's my EXACT worry!
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 24, 2017 8:40:14 GMT
Technical and performance issues reported so far seem typical of modern AAA title game, especially ones based on Frostbite engine. So, really, you're overdoing with fears guys. So, we should be happy about sticking to technology that carries with itself known technical problems? Okay. Sorry, but if I tried to hit a nail with a screwdriver you wouldn't blame the screwdriver manufacturers but rather call me an idiot for not picking a hammer.
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Post by snook on Feb 24, 2017 8:42:05 GMT
Technical and performance issues reported so far seem typical of modern AAA title game, especially ones based on Frostbite engine. So, really, you're overdoing with fears guys. Not to mention that the reviewers who brought that up all seemed to be playing in 4K. The average 1080p gamer probably doesn't have nearly as much to worry about, on that front at least. Not trying to jinx it, though. :S
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2017 8:45:11 GMT
Technical and performance issues reported so far seem typical of modern AAA title game, especially ones based on Frostbite engine. So, really, you're overdoing with fears guys. So, we should be happy about sticking to technology that carries with itself known technical problems? Okay. Sorry, but if I tried to hit a nail with a screwdriver you wouldn't blame the screwdriver manufacturers but rather call me an idiot for not picking a hammer. I didn't said you should happy, I'm just pointing out the nature of modern AAA games. There is not a single modern AAA title game release without some technical and performance issues. It's due to the nature of how complicated the software is for the modern games. And let's be frank, it was far worse in the past. And I mean I'm talking 5 years ago, if not less. And even worse before that. So this stuff is overall an improvement, when you put it in context and proper perspective.
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