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Post by azarhal on Feb 24, 2017 12:55:16 GMT
I know I'm not helping myself, but I tweeted the writer of the IGN article and said: @charalanahzard Did ME:A feel like "Mass Effect" to you? or just Drgn Age:Inquis in space? GS editor felt that way. good article! @thediscoeffect It didn't feel a whole lot like Mass Effect to me. And then you have Suzie Ford at MMORPG (a huge ME fan that use her F!Shepard as avatar) who was overhyped about the game after playing it. Her preview final words: As my character interacted with her companions and other NPCs during her mission, as she worked to solve puzzles, chatted with her shipmates, fought enemies in this literally alien world, that part of me that in some small way had refused to give into hope (and hype) gave in. The music, the weapons, the familiar skills, even Dad Ryder’s N7 armor -- all of them worked in glorious harmony to draw me in. Bioware has done a masterful job blending the past with the future, the old with the new to create Mass Effect Andromeda, a worthy successor to Shepard’s Legacy.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 24, 2017 12:56:52 GMT
I want to be optimistic, I really do. I'm hyped for the game and I want to love it. I'm just really worried about facial animations. I don't think there's time to improve them, and maybe it's not even a big deal, but it kinda breaks immersion for me. Nothing is breaking your immersion. You're not immersed yet. Seriously, I'm in the middle of replaying the Trilogy, and even the worst facial animations we've seen have nothing on how derpy the previous games were. MEA is shaping up to be a massive improvement in that area, period. The only reason you're concerned is because you're seeing the derpiness in a vacuum. It's easy to break your immersion when you're not fucking immersed in the first place. Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back.
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Post by drake on Feb 24, 2017 13:09:24 GMT
I want to be optimistic, I really do. I'm hyped for the game and I want to love it. I'm just really worried about facial animations. I don't think there's time to improve them, and maybe it's not even a big deal, but it kinda breaks immersion for me. Nothing is breaking your immersion. You're not immersed yet. Seriously, I'm in the middle of replaying the Trilogy, and even the worst facial animations we've seen have nothing on how derpy the previous games were. MEA is shaping up to be a massive improvement in that area, period. The only reason you're concerned is because you're seeing the derpiness in a vacuum. It's easy to break your immersion when you're not fucking immersed in the first place. The difference with the old games is that the graphics isn't as good as in ME:A, and a realistic face that doesn't animate well is worse than a "bunch-of-pixel" face that is badly animated. I don't know if I made my point. Well I hope you're right anyway. I know I didn't like face animations in DA:I and it bugged me on my first run, then I got used to it and now I don't even notice anymore. It's just that we've waited so long for this game, and ME is my favourite saga, so... yeah. But I have faith in the devs, and I play bioware games for the characters and the story, so even if facial animations aren't so good, I'm sure I'll still enjoy ME:A.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Feb 24, 2017 13:21:21 GMT
Criticism is cool. Constructively expressing concerns is cool. Being unhyped is perfectly okay. Dutch and missileglitcher's constant shitposting is useless garbage.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Feb 24, 2017 13:27:54 GMT
Nothing is breaking your immersion. You're not immersed yet. Seriously, I'm in the middle of replaying the Trilogy, and even the worst facial animations we've seen have nothing on how derpy the previous games were. MEA is shaping up to be a massive improvement in that area, period. The only reason you're concerned is because you're seeing the derpiness in a vacuum. It's easy to break your immersion when you're not fucking immersed in the first place. Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back. I was able to ignore the last two Deus Ex's facial animations, I probably will be fine with MEA.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 24, 2017 14:01:56 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit. Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space? Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins. Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins.. Is it because of the combat? Last I checked, ME is a shooter and Inquisition is not IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look somewhat different. (Though now I kinda want elves in space) Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. People keep complaining that it looks or feels like DA:I in space and then providing very flimsy reasons for that. Put more thought into it then maybe your argument for why the game is bad will actually be more than just baseless complaining. Reading your post, all I can see is a defense of an unoriginal game concept that has been done to death by tons of competitors. It may not be exactly DAI in space.... But it sure as hell isn't original. Mass Effect 1 was an original experience.
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Post by kingjuly on Feb 24, 2017 14:04:51 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit. Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space? Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins. Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins.. Is it because of the combat? Last I checked, ME is a shooter and Inquisition is not IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look somewhat different. (Though now I kinda want elves in space) Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. People keep complaining that it looks or feels like DA:I in space and then providing very flimsy reasons for that. Put more thought into it then maybe your argument for why the game is bad will actually be more than just baseless complaining. Reading your post, all I can see is a defense of an unoriginal game concept that has been done to death by tons of competitors. It may not be exactly DAI in space.... But it sure as hell isn't original. Mass Effect 1 was an original experience. And why is this a bad thing? A game doesn't have to be original to be good. Besides, people would be pissed if Mass Effect completely changed every single game. The originality argument is another dumb argument. Its good to add some new flavours to your game but don't completely change it every time.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Feb 24, 2017 14:10:28 GMT
of course it would leave them conflicted. - terrible story that breaks the pre-existing lore with huge plot holes - terrible dialogue - terrible gameplay - terrible characters - terrible ending - terrible facial animations - ugly default female lead character - terrible weapons - the game is packed full of bugs and horrible glitches it's one of the worst games ever. It's like you learned how to speak by reading Trumps' twitter feed.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 24, 2017 14:20:47 GMT
Ah yes, defense of mediocrity and path of least resistance... I remember these things.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 24, 2017 14:26:03 GMT
Criticism is cool. Constructively expressing concerns is cool. Being unhyped is perfectly okay. Dutch and missileglitcher's constant shitposting is useless garbage. I feel honored to be left off that list.
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Post by phantomrachie on Feb 24, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back. I was able to ignore the last two Deus Ex's facial animations, I probably will be fine with MEA. I haven't actually noticed too many of the 'terrible facial animations' that people keep on going on about myself in the MEA footage. Even when people point them out, they mostly look fine to me, not the best ever, but not horrible either. Deus Ex on the other hand - wow, it was like some of those faces just didn't work, really noticeable. Particularly weird in a game that had no character creator. Weirdly it is the sitting animations I'm most interested to see, I know the facial animations are fine for me, they are much improved after the trilogy, but it took 3 games for Femshep to sit down in a way that wasn't totally weird, so I'm wondering if Sara will have a similar issue.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 24, 2017 15:18:03 GMT
I was able to ignore the last two Deus Ex's facial animations, I probably will be fine with MEA. I haven't actually noticed too many of the 'terrible facial animations' that people keep on going on about myself in the MEA footage. Even when people point them out, they mostly look fine to me, not the best ever, but not horrible either. Deus Ex on the other hand - wow, it was like some of those faces just didn't work, really noticeable. Particularly weird in a game that had no character creator. Weirdly it is the sitting animations I'm most interested to see, I know the facial animations are fine for me, they are much improved after the trilogy, but it took 3 games for Femshep to sit down in a way that wasn't totally weird, so I'm wondering if Sara will have a similar issue. The problem more than anything else was recycling male animations for females. Hopefully that won't be an issue this time around, as DAI definitely had separate animations for men and women. Of course, maybe DAI went a little too far with the hip sway...
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Post by daniel on Feb 24, 2017 16:16:44 GMT
Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back. I was able to ignore the last two Deus Ex's facial animations, I probably will be fine with MEA. It will all come down to expectations. There are quite a number of people on this forum who are bound to be dissapointed because they have unrealistic expectations. Games aren't perfect their will always be some things that won't be to your approval.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 24, 2017 17:02:59 GMT
I was able to ignore the last two Deus Ex's facial animations, I probably will be fine with MEA. It will all come down to expectations. There are quite a number of people on this forum who are bound to be dissapointed because they have unrealistic expectations. Games aren't perfect their will always be some things that won't be to your approval. It does seem to me that if at this point you're still not even a little bit excited over what you've seen and heard, then the game probably isn't for you, and you should just move on. Not from the BSN, but just in general they should accept they'll have to look elsewhere for a great space exploration RPG. Wherever that is.
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Post by ayenari on Feb 24, 2017 17:29:29 GMT
Nothing is breaking your immersion. You're not immersed yet. Seriously, I'm in the middle of replaying the Trilogy, and even the worst facial animations we've seen have nothing on how derpy the previous games were. MEA is shaping up to be a massive improvement in that area, period. The only reason you're concerned is because you're seeing the derpiness in a vacuum. It's easy to break your immersion when you're not fucking immersed in the first place. Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back. Can certainly notice it during play, however, noticing =/= caring enough for it to become a bigger problem. Had the same issue with DA:I to a large degree. Could certainly notice it happening, however kept playing the game despite it.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 24, 2017 19:37:40 GMT
"Oh muh endings dur hur" If that was actually the reason. Its perfectly valid to be concerned. Just like its perfectly valid to not be concerned. The fact that you you feel the need to respond to all the corcerns makes me wonder who here is truly insecure about the game. Why do you feel the need to defend everything Bioware does? How does an ending relates to the worry of a game being broken, uh? Explain that to me, you obviously seem very informed and reasonable cause you just said I defend everything Bioware does, even if I just talked about the mediocre endings about what - two days ago? Or how I was worried about the new combos system, uh? Perhaps the fact that Bioware and its professional designers failed to create an accurate digital version of Jayde? Do or do not, there's no try. That's the rule you should follow when trying to talk shit. Have a good one. And don't believe everything the media feeds you... considering your type of reply, might be the case.
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Post by SKAR on Feb 24, 2017 19:39:06 GMT
I heard otherwise. I heard that it will feel like a Mass Effect game.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 24, 2017 19:53:20 GMT
Its perfectly valid to be concerned. Just like its perfectly valid to not be concerned. The fact that you you feel the need to respond to all the corcerns makes me wonder who here is truly insecure about the game. Why do you feel the need to defend everything Bioware does? How does an ending relates to the worry of a game being broken, uh? Explain that to me, you obviously seem very informed and reasonable cause you just said I defend everything Bioware does, even if I just talked about the mediocre endings about what - two days ago? Or how I was worried about the new combos system, uh? Perhaps the fact that Bioware and its professional designers failed to create an accurate digital version of Jayde? Do or do not, there's no try. That's the rule you should follow when trying to talk shit. Have a good one. And don't believe everything the media feeds you... considering your type of reply, might be the case. It was never just the endings. People used DA:I as well on multiple occassions. Plus I never said that using the endings is a good comparison. And while I may not see everything you post, I do notice that most of the time whenever something negative is beign said, you jump in and feel the need to defend what's beign criticized. It comes across as if you take it personally. Most of the complaints are only there because people want good quality. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 24, 2017 20:00:36 GMT
How does an ending relates to the worry of a game being broken, uh? Explain that to me, you obviously seem very informed and reasonable cause you just said I defend everything Bioware does, even if I just talked about the mediocre endings about what - two days ago? Or how I was worried about the new combos system, uh? Perhaps the fact that Bioware and its professional designers failed to create an accurate digital version of Jayde? Do or do not, there's no try. That's the rule you should follow when trying to talk shit. Have a good one. And don't believe everything the media feeds you... considering your type of reply, might be the case. It was never just the endings. People used DA:I as well on multiple occassions. Plus I never said that using the endings is a good comparison. And while I may not see everything you post, I do notice that most of the time whenever something negative is beign said, you jump in and feel the need to defend what's beign criticized. It comes across as if you take it personally. Most of the complaints are only there because people want good quality. There is nothing wrong with that. DAI? That makes me look even better considering DAI was critically acclaimed, won tons of awards and GOTYs, as flawed as it was. Thank you for that. So you do not see everything I post? Then your point already fails here after those assumptions. Don't put words in my mother. There's also a fine line between "What I want & do not want" and valid criticism of stuff we actually have reasonable info about it. Me saying "I don't want to play in Andromeda", or "Cora's hair is terrible" isn't valid criticism, but subjectiveness, which a lot of people don't understand, and then I reply to them. Less feelings, more cohesion. PS : It's also interesting cause I recently just said that MEA shouldn't take much from DAI. Amazing, isn't it?
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 24, 2017 20:07:38 GMT
It was never just the endings. People used DA:I as well on multiple occassions. Plus I never said that using the endings is a good comparison. And while I may not see everything you post, I do notice that most of the time whenever something negative is beign said, you jump in and feel the need to defend what's beign criticized. It comes across as if you take it personally. Most of the complaints are only there because people want good quality. There is nothing wrong with that. DAI? That makes me look even better considering DAI was critically acclaimed, won tons of awards and GOTYs, as flawed as it was. Thank you for that. So you do not see everything I post? Then your point already fails here after those assumptions. Don't put words in my mother. There's also a fine line between "What I want & do not want" and valid criticism of stuff we actually have reasonable info about it. Me saying "I don't want to play in Andromeda", or "Cora's hair is terrible" isn't valid criticism, but subjectiveness, which a lot of people don't understand, and then I reply to them. Less feelings, more cohesion. PS : It's also interesting cause I recently just said that MEA shouldn't take much from DAI. Amazing, isn't it? DA:I winning GOTY was hardly noteworthy considering its meager competition. But sure. And no, I shall not put words in your mother. If it truly bothers you so much there is this thing called ignore button. Or just leave the thread. And critisism is always going to be subjective.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 24, 2017 20:23:53 GMT
DAI? That makes me look even better considering DAI was critically acclaimed, won tons of awards and GOTYs, as flawed as it was. Thank you for that. So you do not see everything I post? Then your point already fails here after those assumptions. Don't put words in my mother. There's also a fine line between "What I want & do not want" and valid criticism of stuff we actually have reasonable info about it. Me saying "I don't want to play in Andromeda", or "Cora's hair is terrible" isn't valid criticism, but subjectiveness, which a lot of people don't understand, and then I reply to them. Less feelings, more cohesion. PS : It's also interesting cause I recently just said that MEA shouldn't take much from DAI. Amazing, isn't it? DA:I winning GOTY was hardly noteworthy considering its meager competition. But sure. And no, I shall not put words in your mother. If it truly bothers you so much there is this thing called ignore button. Or just leave the thread. And critisism is always going to be subjective. Oh, you mean - Dark Souls 2, Alien Isolation, Shadow Of Mordor, Super Mario Bros, Titanfall and more were average? For starters, I consider Isolation better than Inquisition, so it seems like you just want to take the bottom's value away, right? So credible, you are. I'm not gonna mute you, I don't have that much of a weak nerve. Can't say the same about some. There's also stupid criticism, like Sara Ryder not being attractive enough, considering you can customize her. See now? Okay.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 24, 2017 20:33:18 GMT
DA:I winning GOTY was hardly noteworthy considering its meager competition. But sure. And no, I shall not put words in your mother. If it truly bothers you so much there is this thing called ignore button. Or just leave the thread. And critisism is always going to be subjective. Oh, you mean - Dark Souls 2, Alien Isolation, Shadow Of Mordor, Super Mario Bros, Titanfall and more were average? For starters, I consider Isolation better than Inquisition, so it seems like you just want to take the bottom's value away, right? So credible, you are. I'm not gonna mute you, I don't have that much of a weak nerve. Can't say the same about some. There's also stupid criticism, like Sara Ryder not being attractive enough, considering you can customize her. See now? Okay. Nevermind, I confused it with RPG GOTY. That one was meager. Though I'll stick by my opinion that GOTY is hardly something special these days. Its only interesting for the publishers and developers. And dude relax, I'm not trolling you or anything. I was only wondering why you seemed to take it personally whenever someone criticized Andromeda
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Post by armass81 on Feb 24, 2017 21:13:02 GMT
of course it would leave them conflicted. - terrible story that breaks the pre-existing lore with huge plot holes - terrible dialogue - terrible gameplay - terrible characters - terrible ending - terrible facial animations - ugly default female lead character - terrible weapons - the game is packed full of bugs and horrible glitches it's one of the worst games ever. Smudboys channel welcomes you.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 24, 2017 22:02:17 GMT
Truth be told, most people aren't even going to really notice it once they are playing. Everybody is going to be having a blast and any overly-critical analysis will largely be swept away in the fun. Mass Effect 1-3 was far from perfect, even when they came out. Everybody loves these games, flaws and all. I don't see Mass Effect Andromeda being any different. It certainly won't be the facial animations that hold it back. Can certainly notice it during play, however, noticing =/= caring enough for it to become a bigger problem. Had the same issue with DA:I to a large degree. Could certainly notice it happening, however kept playing the game despite it. You may notice it initially, but over time you'll likely grow used to it to the point it's no longer a distraction. It's just one of those things with BioWare games. Animations were never perfect in the Mass Effect trilogy either, but I certainly didn't hear an outcry for years about it. I don't see Andromeda being any different.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Feb 24, 2017 22:17:14 GMT
Christ I hate the "feels like DA:I in space" bullshit. Why? Why exactly does it feel like DA:I in space? Is it because it has large zones for exploration? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins. Is it because you can harvest materials when out exploring? Tons of games have that, doesn't mean they're re-skins.. Is it because of the combat? Last I checked, ME is a shooter and Inquisition is not IS it perhaps because of the visuals? Not possible, sci fi and fantasy tend to look somewhat different. (Though now I kinda want elves in space) Hmmm...is it perhaps because of the story? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Inquisition journeyed into space to find a new home for the Mages. The whole argument is baseless and pathetic. People keep complaining that it looks or feels like DA:I in space and then providing very flimsy reasons for that. Put more thought into it then maybe your argument for why the game is bad will actually be more than just baseless complaining. Reading your post, all I can see is a defense of an unoriginal game concept that has been done to death by tons of competitors. It may not be exactly DAI in space.... But it sure as hell isn't original. Mass Effect 1 was an original experience. Mass Effect was KOTOR minus the Jedi. You're a soldier who later becomes part of an elite group, who has to travel to four different planets to put together the pieces of the bad guy's plan, who then travels to a mysterious and long forgotten planet to learn the final revelation, who then fights the bad guy on a space station with the fate of the galaxy at stake. Come off it with your rose colored glasses, jesus fucking christ.
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