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Post by Rivercurse on Feb 25, 2017 22:00:03 GMT
Ah yes, "reviews"..
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 25, 2017 22:04:46 GMT
Yeah, when a company refuses to feed your hype and shill for the game it's obviously because they are terrible and weren't bribed enough by the virtuous BioWare. It's a thought crime. It's literally impossible to have lukewarm or reserved opinion about this game, because you said so. It's also not possible for a Game Informer / Giant Bomb employee to be a fan of ME universe. They're terrible, corrupt heretics.
It is only you who is capable of objectively evaluate ME:A. You've proven you are a rational, objective individual by destroying the physical copy of ME3 during your 2012 hissy fit that proved you are a true, noble ME fan.
LMAO, I'm with you, OP. Giant Bomb and Game Informer should go outta business.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 25, 2017 22:15:55 GMT
And here we can see a biodrone in it's natural habitat. Yes, me a " biodrone ", the only one amongst dozens of friends who decided to burn his Mass Effect 3 copy after that stupid and retarded ending, the only one who spent hours of his life criticizing BioWare because of all the lazyness they've shown to us in 2012. Still, I'm ready to give BioWare another chance for them to impress me. It's called 'Battered Woman Syndrome'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 22:17:20 GMT
I need to be honest here guys, both Game Informer and Giant Bomb " reviews " were shameful and when I went to watch the Game Informer " reveiew ", I already was kinda thinking (wtf are these scrubs going to talk about) since we all know the classic Game Informer strat, they only seem to be excited about a game when the developer pays them to do the review and it became clear BioWare didn't. I've seen a lot of people hair going nuts, setting other people on fire and etc... Just because of some " non-positive reviews ", are guys for real worried about what some random dudes, yeah random dudes and lots of them probably never played the trilogy, talking about some things that aren't positive in this game? I mean, BioWare is good at their work, BUT THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. I've also seen a lot people still whining about the facial animations, BioWare said they were going to improve it and they did, wtf... Were you guys expecting Uncharted 4 facial animations? I think some people need to learn the difference between improving and making it PERFECT, I'm thinking about going on a hunt to see if I can find any tweet where any BioWare employee said that the facial animations would be perfect. To end this post, I'll say... Don't let these " reviews " change your mind. If you think this game is going to be a mess, don't buy it, wait for the real players, the real fans of BioWare to play it (instead of these scrubs) and read to what they have to say, if it's good or not. Also, if you think is going to be a good game, then go ahead and buy it. Games aren't made to be perfect, they are made to allow us to have some fun... C'mon people the real world is already fucked up enough, don't let the same thing happen to something like video games. I'll leave this question here to all of you: " To this day, Naughty Dog hasn't made any mistakes and everyone is excited about The Last of Us: Chapter 2, has anyone considered the fact is this can be the game were they end up making a HUGE mistake and the game ends up being one of the worst in gaming history? Would you guys keep buying their games, because you trust in their quality and hard work or would just say " fuk dis shit, I ain't buyin' dem games anymoar. " ??? The same question applies for Rockstar Games/Take-Two Interactive. Very nicely said. I found all the reviews I watched/read to be very exciting. What I gathered from them is that MEA feels very much like a Mass Effect game, the Nomad handles fantastically, the setting is beautiful, the combat is super fun, the characters are interesting and well written, the story seems to be another classic well-written Bioware story, and most seem to think it will be very good. There were issues, and that makes sense because it was an older build (people say 2 weeks old, but you have to think that they got the press build done at least a bit before the press got there, so I'm guessing closer to a month old) and they have squashed a lot of bugs since then, as well as now working on the Day 1 patch which will fix more issues. The only complaints that were consistent across reviewers was some bugs, which will get ironed out, and facial animations, which is par for the course for a Bioware game and will continue to get better anyway. I'm not terribly worried about not having Uncharted-level facial animations. I just don't care that much. I agree... that's pretty much what I'm getting out any of the reviews I watched. They are reasonably positive overall; and people here are just stressing all the negatives in those reviews... like they've done consistently here about the Trilogy for the past 5 years (nothing new and certainly not unexpected). As for the bugs in a build played at full two weeks before the game went gold, well I've always intended to wait for a couple of bug patches to come out before buying. The more I see, the more I am anticipating though that I'm going to really enjoy this game. |
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 25, 2017 22:27:44 GMT
Yes, me a " biodrone ", the only one amongst dozens of friends who decided to burn his Mass Effect 3 copy after that stupid and retarded ending, the only one who spent hours of his life criticizing BioWare because of all the lazyness they've shown to us in 2012. Still, I'm ready to give BioWare another chance for them to impress me. It's called 'Battered Woman Syndrome'. Have you burnt your copy of ME3? You clearly have not. You're unhinged. Stop badmouthing true Mass Effect loyalists. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 22:43:15 GMT
MasterJukes , what's the real point of the OP? Are you against the reviews, which were mostly positive, mixed with valid criticism (precisely what I'd expect of a good review)? Or are you annoyed by the response of some to the reviews? If it's the latter, did we really need a separate thread, calling out those with whom you disagree as "whiners"? Why couldn't you offer your thoughts in the existing discussion threads? I'm talking about those who read about very few non-positive reviews are going freakin' nuts for no reason at all. And yes, some people are just whining about facial animations because they have nothin' better to do and they just like to be attention whores, I'll say only one to thing to those that aren't making any kind of constructive criticism: " Get your shit together, go to BioWare and show them how make real facial animations yourself, otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP... Stupid troll. " People are criticizing the facial animations because thus far what we've seen is subpar for a AAA title. Apparently a good number of the reviewers, who as part of their job get hands on time with many games that have yet to be released, had the same impression. Surely those people would know what constitutes a janky animation at this late stage in development? Pointing out legitimate flaws with a commercial product isn't an example of whining. You also seem to miss the entire point of internet forums. There would be nothing to discuss if everyone marched in lockstep and shared the same opinions. How dull that would be! Learn to accept differences in opinion without resorting to childish name-calling. |
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Post by Jurus on Feb 25, 2017 23:00:08 GMT
I need to be honest here guys, both Game Informer and Giant Bomb " reviews " were shameful and when I went to watch the Game Informer " reveiew ", I already was kinda thinking (wtf are these scrubs going to talk about) since we all know the classic Game Informer strat, they only seem to be excited about a game when the developer pays them to do the review and it became clear BioWare didn't. I've seen a lot of people hair going nuts, setting other people on fire and etc... Just because of some " non-positive reviews ", are guys for real worried about what some random dudes, yeah random dudes and lots of them probably never played the trilogy, talking about some things that aren't positive in this game? I mean, BioWare is good at their work, BUT THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. I've also seen a lot people still whining about the facial animations, BioWare said they were going to improve it and they did, wtf... Were you guys expecting Uncharted 4 facial animations? I think some people need to learn the difference between improving and making it PERFECT, I'm thinking about going on a hunt to see if I can find any tweet where any BioWare employee said that the facial animations would be perfect. To end this post, I'll say... Don't let these " reviews " change your mind. If you think this game is going to be a mess, don't buy it, wait for the real players, the real fans of BioWare to play it (instead of these scrubs) and read to what they have to say, if it's good or not. Also, if you think is going to be a good game, then go ahead and buy it. Games aren't made to be perfect, they are made to allow us to have some fun... C'mon people the real world is already fucked up enough, don't let the same thing happen to something like video games. So the only ones whose opinion is worth taking into consideration when it comes to a specific video game are fans of the developer who made that game? Sounds right. And your reasons for the dismissal of any criticism about facial animations is just ridiculous. Someone reviewing a game (or a pre-build they were given) can't express that in their opinion facial animations aren't that good (either compared to other games or just by the standards expected from a title with so many years and resources put in its development) because the developer never explicitly promised it would be perfect? By that logic you can never say someone gave a bad performance in a movie since virtually no studio ever says that everyone in the movie they released gave a flawless performance. |
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 25, 2017 23:19:03 GMT
I really don't care what some overpaid reviewer thinks of a game. I make the choice to buy it and play it and I form my own opinion base on that. Besides all the "big" sites are paid for reviews these daysBy these days you mean since the inception of video game industry? Besides in past, especially during Nintendo Golden Age, it was far worse. |
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 25, 2017 23:20:53 GMT
I'm a real Bioware fan who has burned his ME3 copy, so you can trust me when I tell you that the facial animations are excellent. Look into these soulless eyes and tell me they aren't.  Wait, it's missing something ... ah, there it is. |
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Post by derrame on Feb 25, 2017 23:23:34 GMT
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 25, 2017 23:25:02 GMT
...Games aren't made to be perfect, they are made to allow us to have some fun.... They are made for the company to turn a profit. Whether we find them fun or not is inconsequential. Otherwise I agree. "Professional" reviews are garbo scrubs and most are not worth watching. |
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Post by Lawrence0294 on Feb 25, 2017 23:27:39 GMT
I'm one of those Bioware fans (yes, I true fan) that is thorougly skeptic about the game. They have charmed me on some respect such as the squad characters, but I still feel very worried about the general direction. The smartest thing to do I believe is just wait for the release, don't bloody pre order, and read reviews from players and judge if the experience offered sounds like a good time. But please also don't spit on people that offer criticism and make them to be some "inferior untrue fans".
To answer your question, I believe the problem for some of us with Bioware is that it has now been three games in a row that we have been left disappointed (Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition). So any great studio can have a bad or mediocre game. But when it is becoming the norm, then we get worried. I, as a Bioware fan, just want them to stop making mediocre experiences and offer me truly great games. If you feel the last three Bioware games were excellent, then I'm happy for you, they simply weren't for me and a group of people.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 23:44:05 GMT
Did anyone actually ever take "gaming critics" seriously, to begin with? I found out a long time ago they generally know less about the games they are playing than I do. If someone is actually foolish enough to buy a game based off of some "professional review site," that's on them. The only review and opinion that matters when it comes to gaming is my own. I'll judge the game for myself, thanks.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 25, 2017 23:44:40 GMT
A lot of the reviews talk about the same things over and over again.
The people (from what I heard) picked the mission(s) they did -that Bioware let them choose from.
Furthermore they only did certain missions -not the whole game.
I doubt Bioware would have shown all things on the missions they did.
At least when I have been invited to preview games they usually only allow access to a few missions(1-4).
In this: NPC's, cutscenes, mission objectives,dialog were cut from the preview missions complete-able without revealing to much.
So the reviews may be base on only about maybe 5-15% of the actual game.
Take with a grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 0:41:34 GMT
I'm talking about those who read about very few non-positive reviews are going freakin' nuts for no reason at all. And yes, some people are just whining about facial animations because they have nothin' better to do and they just like to be attention whores, I'll say only one to thing to those that aren't making any kind of constructive criticism: " Get your shit together, go to BioWare and show them how make real facial animations yourself, otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP... Stupid troll. " People are criticizing the facial animations because thus far what we've seen is subpar for a AAA title. Apparently a good number of the reviewers, who as part of their job get hands on time with many games that have yet to be released, had the same impression. Surely those people would know what constitutes a janky animation at this late stage in development? Pointing out legitimate flaws with a commercial product isn't an example of whining. You also seem to miss the entire point of internet forums. There would be nothing to discuss if everyone marched in lockstep and shared the same opinions. How dull that would be! Learn to accept differences in opinion without resorting to childish name-calling. Honestly, I wasn't expecting truly great facial animations out of Bioware. It's never been a strength of theirs. I'm perfectly OK with the reviewers mentioning it; but I'm just not seeing reviews that are as overtly negative as what some people are "almost gleefully" claiming here. Some reviews I've read have been quite positive (but those are not being linked to here.) Here's one with a quote: www.stuff.tv/in/game-reviews/mass-effect-andromeda/reviewThe only two consistently mentioned issues appear to be only 1) facial animations and 2) some bugs (which Bioware is probably already working on to fix)... neither of which "breaks the game" in my mind. Many of the threads here appear to be solely based only on hyper-negative speculation... more of the same as what's been going on here since this forum opened and had been going on on BSN Prime for months before that. It's as base-less now as it was way back then because we still don't have sufficient information to make any sort of accurate assessment about the story... and we very likely won't have sufficient information until after the game releases. Even the reviewers were only able to access a very small portion of the game and they don't appear to have been given much of the story... so how can they possibly even guess how the side-quests they were shown might tie into the overall main story of the game? They weren't shown a raft of different locations. From what I gathered, they were allowed to create a character and play through the very beginning of the game and then jumped to a specific point part way into the game after their character would have leveled up a few times; and where they could access a romance option... 3 to 4 hours of a game that will probably take 40 hours or more to complete or less than 10% of what's there. |
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Post by vallixas on Feb 26, 2017 1:09:49 GMT
Eh, I'll take critic reviews over user reviews anyday. Atleast they don't give 0s based solely on the fact of making things "even". The user reviews for Uncharted 4 for example are exactly why user reviewers can't be trusted.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 26, 2017 1:10:02 GMT
People are criticizing the facial animations because thus far what we've seen is subpar for a AAA title. Apparently a good number of the reviewers, who as part of their job get hands on time with many games that have yet to be released, had the same impression. Surely those people would know what constitutes a janky animation at this late stage in development? Pointing out legitimate flaws with a commercial product isn't an example of whining. You also seem to miss the entire point of internet forums. There would be nothing to discuss if everyone marched in lockstep and shared the same opinions. How dull that would be! Learn to accept differences in opinion without resorting to childish name-calling. Honestly, I wasn't expecting truly great facial animations out of Bioware. It's never been a strength of theirs. I'm perfectly OK with the reviewers mentioning it; but I'm just not seeing reviews that are as overtly negative as what some people are "almost gleefully" claiming here. Some reviews I've read have been quite positive (but those are not being linked to here.) Here's one with a quote: www.stuff.tv/in/game-reviews/mass-effect-andromeda/reviewThe only two consistently mentioned issues appear to be only 1) facial animations and 2) some bugs (which Bioware is probably already working on to fix)... neither of which "breaks the game" in my mind. Many of the threads here appear to be solely based only on hyper-negative speculation... more of the same as what's been going on here since this forum opened and had been going on on BSN Prime for months before that. It's as base-less now as it was way back then because we still don't have sufficient information to make any sort of accurate assessment about the story... and we very likely won't have sufficient information until after the game releases. Even the reviewers were only able to access a very small portion of the game and they don't appear to have been given much of the story... so how can they possibly even guess how the side-quests they were shown might tie into the overall main story of the game? They weren't shown a raft of different locations. From what I gathered, they were allowed to create a character and play through the very beginning of the game and then jumped to a specific point part way into the game after their character would have leveled up a few times; and where they could access a romance option... 3 to 4 hours of a game that will probably take 40 hours or more to complete or less than 10% of what's there. In many cases, it's the same half-dozen people who are starting those threads. You've been around, so you can pick them out without looking. The facial animation issue is different. BioWare is having a tough time with the mo-capped faces in Fb3. The aliens look great, because they're done "by hand". The humans are notably "off". While some persons and threads on the BSN might get annoying, the criticism has had positive results. Creating counter-threads in which people complain about complainers will never have positive results, in the long run. |
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Post by vallixas on Feb 26, 2017 1:20:32 GMT
I'm a real Bioware fan who has burned his ME3 copy, so you can trust me when I tell you that the facial animations are excellent. Look into these soulless eyes and tell me they aren't. Wait, it's missing something ... ah, there it is. How come they always look so sweaty in every screenshot lol |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 26, 2017 1:25:03 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the faults in animation are down to uncanny valley then anything else.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 26, 2017 1:48:34 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the faults in animation are down to uncanny valley then anything else. Did you read/hear the description of gooey, gummy eyelashes that look like they're pasted on Sims faces? I thought Alannah from IGN gave the most balanced, intelligent feedback from the event. (IGN?!) Her review was the first I watched, and none I've read or watched since have been better. I wish it were uncanny valley. I think it's more "can't quite figure out how to do this". It won't ruin the game, naturally; but good animations would've been nice. |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 26, 2017 1:51:17 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the faults in animation are down to uncanny valley then anything else. Did you read/hear the description of gooey, gummy eyelashes that look like they're pasted on Sims faces? I thought Alannah from IGN gave the most balanced, intelligent feedback from the event. (IGN?!) Her review was the first I watched, and none I've read or watched since have been better. I wish it were uncanny valley. I think it's more "can't quite figure out how to do this". It won't ruin the game, naturally; but good animations would've been nice. but in the same review she mentioned the aliens looked fine. I think a lot of the concern comes from we are humans so we are noticing flaws in human cgi. Especially realistic looking. Hence uncanny valley. |
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 26, 2017 1:54:49 GMT
Did you read/hear the description of gooey, gummy eyelashes that look like they're pasted on Sims faces? I thought Alannah from IGN gave the most balanced, intelligent feedback from the event. (IGN?!) Her review was the first I watched, and none I've read or watched since have been better. I wish it were uncanny valley. I think it's more "can't quite figure out how to do this". It won't ruin the game, naturally; but good animations would've been nice. but in the same review she mentioned the aliens looked fine. I think a lot of the concern comes from we are humans so we are noticing flaws in human cgi. Especially realistic looking. Hence uncanny valley. The aliens are animated meticulously by hand. For humans, they're incorporating performance capture for the first time. They seem to be struggling with it. If it were "uncanny valley", we'd not be hearing people chuckle about "BioWare" arm-waving, and other dated motions. Everything would be eerily natural, but not quite human. In this case, the consensus seems to simply be "not good". |
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 26, 2017 2:23:21 GMT
''Gaming journalism''
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Post by DayusMakhina on Feb 26, 2017 2:49:19 GMT
Did I miss something? Could have sworn almost all previews were positive with the 2 main concerns being performance issues and character animations. That all sounds pretty reasonable to me, especially when you consider performance issues can be easily attributed to a preview build (or patched out in the full game if still necessary) and Bioware have already acknowledged they need to work on facial animations and are doing so.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 26, 2017 3:00:28 GMT
Did I miss something? Could have sworn almost all previews were positive with the 2 main concerns being performance issues and character animations. That all sounds pretty reasonable to me, especially when you consider performance issues can be easily attributed to a preview build (or patched out in the full game if still necessary) and Bioware have already acknowledged they need to work on facial animations and are doing so. You didn't miss anything. It's the same usual suspects on here who have been looking for things to be concerned with or hate on. |
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