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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2017 2:47:44 GMT
Rey was dropped into a brutal struggle for survival as a toddler and forced to constantly call upon the force, at least subconsciously, in order to eke out a precarious, impoverished existence. Near as I can tell she's supposed to be a Mary Sue because with this background she manages to pull off the Jedi mind trick once against a guy brainwashed from infancy to obey orders. Luke Skywalker blew up a space station the size of a moon using the equivalent of a single torpedo after a happy childhood and a few hours of training by a cryptic mentor...during which Luke spends virtually all his time whining about how impossible it all is. Seriously, who is the Mary Sue here? Are you conveniently forgetting the fact that she can expertly fly the Millenium Falcon despite never having flown a ship like that before, manages to fix it instead of Han, is an expert with a blaster, defeats a trained force user in a lightsaber duel despite never having trained with a lightsaber before (while he was trained by Luke fucking Skywalker) and can withstand Kylo's mind-reading attempts? Ma-rey sue indeed. And I didn't even mention Luke in my post, why are you bringing him up? I like the idea of her being mechanically adept, and even the ability to resist the mindrape, but I think she should have been on the losing end of that final duel, and what saves her (and Finn) is the imminent destruction of the Starkiller base.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 28, 2017 2:48:00 GMT
I was kinda getting hyped by all the Horizon praise until I heard a reviewer say it's better than Witcher 3
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 28, 2017 2:48:43 GMT
Exactly, some people don't seem to understand this. No, what you fail to get is that Luke was thriving like this too, but Rey gets all his development across 4, 5 and 6 without Yoda's training or time to sink in the experience in one movie just for the sake of looking cool and to exclamate "FEMALES ARE STRONG!". When she force-grabs the lightsaber I checked out emotionally. She also made her co-cast look useless at every turn. Finn was interesting but every time he's stuck or something Rey pops up and saves him. It's fine with the lame alien tentacle monster scene but the moment when she appeared in the window, already crawling her way out I was like "come on...!". Granted Star Wars was always sensationalist but the balance was broken in TFA in regards to Rey. Well the series still has two movies to go.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 28, 2017 2:49:49 GMT
I was kinda getting hyped by all the Horizon praise until I heard a reviewer say it's better than Witcher 3 It clearly has better combat than TW3, but that's probably the only aspect about it that's better.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 28, 2017 2:49:55 GMT
Are you conveniently forgetting the fact that she can expertly fly the Millenium Falcon despite never having flown a ship like that before, manages to fix it instead of Han, is an expert with a blaster, defeats a trained force user in a lightsaber duel despite never having trained with a lightsaber before (while he was trained by Luke fucking Skywalker) and can withstand Kylo's mind-reading attempts? Ma-rey sue indeed. And I didn't even mention Luke in my post, why are you bringing him up? I like the idea of her being mechanically adept, and even the ability to resist the mindrape, but I think she should have been on the losing end of that final duel, and what saves her (and Finn) is the imminent destruction of the Starkiller base. Dude took a bowcaster shot to the chest. I mean, I get that she shouldn't beat him in a fair fight, but they straight up showed him hurting like hell
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 2:50:50 GMT
No, what you fail to get is that Luke was thriving like this too, but Rey gets all his development across 4, 5 and 6 without Yoda's training or time to sink in the experience in one movie just for the sake of looking cool and to exclamate "FEMALES ARE STRONG!". When she force-grabs the lightsaber I checked out emotionally. She also made her co-cast look useless at every turn. Finn was interesting but every time he's stuck or something Rey pops up and saves him. It's fine with the lame alien tentacle monster scene but the moment when she appeared in the window, already crawling her way out I was like "come on...!". Granted Star Wars was always sensationalist but the balance was broken in TFA in regards to Rey. Well the series still has two movies to go. Which, as I just edited in (hah!) is part of the problem. Unless she develops backwards (retcons, yay...) they're writing themselves into a corner already. If she keeps being badass all the way you get nothing but forced, contrived melodrama that you can't care about whenever another sacrifice or downturn is shoehorned into the story after Rey just spent the last 30 minutes doing everything right.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 28, 2017 2:52:04 GMT
I like the idea of her being mechanically adept, and even the ability to resist the mindrape, but I think she should have been on the losing end of that final duel, and what saves her (and Finn) is the imminent destruction of the Starkiller base. Don't even get me started on the black space janitor holding his own against the dark jedi with a lightsaber. Fuck that movie ...
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 2:53:40 GMT
I kinda dug that part because I like the concept of a strong dark-force user who lacks the will to utilize his power because of his lust for the light side. He's the only character who, by his TFA characterization, has any potential to grow as a character.
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Post by pdusen on Feb 28, 2017 2:53:48 GMT
I think all the hype is more likely to end up blowing up in Horizon's face than have a negative effect on MEA.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 28, 2017 2:54:34 GMT
Well the series still has two movies to go. Which, as I just edited in (hah!) is part of the problem. Unless she develops backwards (retcons, yay...) they're writing themselves into a corner already. If she keeps being badass all the way you get nothing but forced, contrived melodrama that you can't care about whenever another sacrifice or downturn is shoehorned into the story after Rey just spent the last 30 minutes doing everything right. Rumors are pretty strong that their will be a deeper reason behind why she was so skilled.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 2:54:57 GMT
I think all the hype is more likely to end up blowing up in Horizon's face than have a negative effect on MEA. If people start circlejerking it as the second coming- or worse yet, as a successor to Witcher 3 then sure, that'll not go well.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 2:56:25 GMT
Which, as I just edited in (hah!) is part of the problem. Unless she develops backwards (retcons, yay...) they're writing themselves into a corner already. If she keeps being badass all the way you get nothing but forced, contrived melodrama that you can't care about whenever another sacrifice or downturn is shoehorned into the story after Rey just spent the last 30 minutes doing everything right. Rumors are pretty strong that their will be a deeper reason behind why she was so skilled. I had my headcanons based in the dreamsequences after my first watch, because I was so in denial of the possibility that it was just bad writing which it is, but upon a second watch I just don't think there's anyway but a retcon or a seriously unexpected subversion to save this hamfisted story-arc. I have faith the new director can use movie-trickery. I'm just not sure whether he's that competent in writing Star Wars, but that kinda makes it interesting.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 28, 2017 2:57:30 GMT
I was kinda getting hyped by all the Horizon praise until I heard a reviewer say it's better than Witcher 3 Mark my words, Horizon is gonna be one of those games that as soon as the honeymoon period is over, people are gonna be a lot more aware of it's flaws. I don't care about all the 9s and 10s it's been getting. I've been watching game footage and the human AI looks absolutely atrocious. Some of the voice acting is kinda bad, and the game follows the same tedious tropes open world games have. Go collect scrap, climb towers to reveal more of the map, go collect this, go collect that, etc etc. Even the glowing reviews have mentioned this, but are too busy cumming themselves over the game's visuals and Aloy. I'm sure it's a good game, but I think it's destined to eventually fall in the overrated category.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 28, 2017 2:58:45 GMT
Overall I doubt any game will have a drastic impact on another. There will be people that have their opinions based on it one way or the other, but in the end it will probably balance out.
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Post by slimgrin on Feb 28, 2017 3:35:19 GMT
The game releases are spaced far enough apart that it shouldn't even be a factor, with critics or fans. Also, what I've seen of Horizon it seems more like an action game with light RPG elements. ME:A will have full branching narratives, more complex skill trees etc. It's also multiplat and has MP. So if Bioware does this right, very few people will be talking about HZD a couple months from now.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 28, 2017 3:35:59 GMT
I was kinda getting hyped by all the Horizon praise until I heard a reviewer say it's better than Witcher 3 Mark my words, Horizon is gonna be one of those games that as soon as the honeymoon period is over, people are gonna be a lot more aware of it's flaws. I don't care about all the 9s and 10s it's been getting. I've been watching game footage and the human AI looks absolutely atrocious. Some of the voice acting is kinda bad, and the game follows the same tedious tropes open world games have. Go collect scrap, climb towers to reveal more of the map, go collect this, go collect that, etc etc. Even the glowing reviews have mentioned this, but are too busy cumming themselves over the game's visuals and Aloy. I'm sure it's a good game, but I think it's destined to eventually fall in the overrated category. Pretty much this... it's basically a godsend for the games media, since it ticks all the right boxes without being controversial in any way, but that's about it: A surefire way to get a fat load of revenue money. Witcher 3 is still winning awards, even though it was "over" (DLCs and all) months ago... I wouldn't bet on the same for HZD.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 3:37:45 GMT
Considering the recent oscars I could easily see this year's TGA also promote the games with the most featured feminism or racial equality as a message against the Trump-driven america and Horizon is making every reviewer fawn over how good it is in that aspect.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 28, 2017 3:42:20 GMT
Considering the recent oscars I could easily see this year's TGA also promote the games with the most featured feminism or racial equality as a message against the Trump-driven america and Horizon is making every reviewer fawn over how good it is in that aspect. Oh that would be funny. I did not see the Oscars but it would be a rather amusing fall out from the Trump election 'see, we're not sexist, or racist, see, we love this female protagonist in this video game!'
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 28, 2017 4:54:38 GMT
Honestly as said above, ME: Andromeda is the only thing that can affect its own review. That being said, Horizon Zero Dawn is available to play in 5 Minutes!!! Maybe I'll go dark with Mass Effect
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 28, 2017 5:00:44 GMT
Honestly as said above, ME: Andromeda is the only thing that can affect its own review. That being said, Horizon Zero Dawn is available to play in 5 Minutes!!! Maybe I'll go dark with Mass Effect Enjoy! I still prefer disks, so I bought mine from Amazon. I'll be playing tomorrow afternoon, at some point.
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Post by jastall on Feb 28, 2017 5:10:18 GMT
I was kinda getting hyped by all the Horizon praise until I heard a reviewer say it's better than Witcher 3 The review hype machine has made me numb over the years. I don't even visit these websites anymore, albeit I go to Metacritic from time to time to check out aggregate scores out of curiosity and nothing else. If I'm interested in a game, I'll watch the promotional footage, visit fansites, hopefully look at undoctored footage (Twich, Youtubers etc.). The IGNs and Gamespots can take a hike as far as I'm concerned, there are way too many conflicts of interests with these sites, and my opinions don't tend to mesh with theirs. I mean, I don't have a PS4 so it's not like I was going to buy HZD anyway. But from what I saw it looked like a fairly by-the-numbers, Ubisoft style collect-a-thon, just one with a neat setting and enemies. But Far Cry Primal was also that, didn't stop it from boring me after 30 minutes of Youtube footage.
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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 28, 2017 6:27:44 GMT
Sorry, but sex with aliens trumps Pocahontas with robot dinosaurs. No contest. Besides, have you seen the terrible voice acting and facial animations in HZD? That is....lower quality Animation than Mass Effect 1. Jeez and I thought the Sara steals Gun scene looked wonky.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 6:35:40 GMT
Sorry, but sex with aliens trumps Pocahontas with robot dinosaurs. No contest. Besides, have you seen the terrible voice acting and facial animations in HZD? That is....lower quality Animation than Mass Effect 1. Jeez and I thought the Sara steals Gun scene looked wonky. Yep. HZD is not nearly as "amazing" as the gaming media would have you believe. Not to say that it's not a good game, but it certainly doesn't deserve all of the insane praise it's receiving. I suspect if not for the fact that it was a Sony exclusive that it probably wouldn't get this amount of attention. By the time we get to the end of the year I doubt anybody will remember this game. It's going to either be Mass Effect Andromeda, The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild, Red Dead Redemption 2, or something else.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 28, 2017 8:38:17 GMT
I'm watching on Twitch and it has been interesting so far. At the moment, there is no comparability since MEA is not released yet. Both titles have SF themes btw.
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Post by snorkamus on Feb 28, 2017 9:30:31 GMT
Ok, IF HZD should impact MEA's scores, then BW better step up in the facial animation department... HZD's are better by a long long shot. Is that you're own opinion? or are you just repeating what other have people said? I recommend you look at HZD's facial animations a little closer, there are 43 muscles in the human face, but according to HZD there are only 3. MEA's facial animations are so more advanced it's not funny, yes its has issues, but its only going to get better, i think most peoples problems have been with the implementation of the right expressions NOT the animations themselves.
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