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Post by Koss on Feb 28, 2017 22:38:41 GMT
I don't think it will impact Andromeda's scores or sales. Three weeks in between launches is quite a bit.
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Post by guanxi on Feb 28, 2017 22:45:21 GMT
Review scores aside, H:ZD will certainly have an impact on sales. Many folks will buy one or the other this month and may still be playing H:ZD at the time and will be in no rush to buy ME:A at release at full retail price.
Lack of marketing will affect it's word of mouth, and from an average PS4 players perspective it's yet another large (basically) open-world action exploration game with a heavy narrative focus, set in yet another sci-fi setting released within a couple of weeks or so of a relatively similar high profile flagship title with probably lower overall review scores.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 23:02:19 GMT
The HZD is sufficiently different from both the Witcher and ME:A to be in its own niche. It sound rather short and not particularly replayable for RP, because the dialogues with choices are not numerous and it's always playing the same character, just like every other guy who bought the game. there will be no reason not to score both high, and not to purchase both.
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 28, 2017 23:06:49 GMT
You don't review a game by comparing. You review it based on what it brings to the table by its self. So the answer should be no, but then again I'm a grown man who can make decisions on my own, I don't read reviews, whether it's games, movies, music etc so I don't really know how people are doing it now, but if they do use comparisons they're doing it wrong.
If it wasn't a console exclusive it might effect sales but more than likely if anything will effect sales it would be the lolswitch and the awful Zelda game. Though after damn near two decades maybe Nintendo might actually deliver a good Zelda game.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 28, 2017 23:31:36 GMT
What are you basing 60% on? NPD, VGChartz sales data for just about every mainstream release for at least the past two years. So no steam figures included, for example. I suspect your premise is flawed, but if it makes you happy to think that 60% of sales occur on ps4 then knock yourself out.
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Post by guanxi on Feb 28, 2017 23:35:22 GMT
NPD, VGChartz sales data for just about every mainstream release for at least the past two years. So no steam figures included, for example. I suspect your premise is flawed, but if it makes you happy to think that 60% of sales occur on ps4 then knock yourself out. Predicted steam sales of Mass Effect Andromeda: O
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Post by vonuber on Feb 28, 2017 23:42:49 GMT
Predicted steam sales of Mass Effect Andromeda: O Very droll, but the point stands. If you are going to make a factual statement like '60% of sales will be on such and such a platform' you'd better have the facts to back it up; otherwise why make the claim?
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Post by guanxi on Feb 28, 2017 23:59:25 GMT
Predicted steam sales of Mass Effect Andromeda: O Very droll, but the point stands. If you are going to make a factual statement like '60% of sales will be on such and such a platform' you'd better have the facts to back it up; otherwise why make the claim? The point is that PS4 accounts for a ridiculous amount of EA's software sales. It's is the target platform because it's by and large where the primary customer base is and EA will undoubtedly be monitoring Horizon: Zero Dawn very closely.
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Post by jastall on Mar 1, 2017 0:36:47 GMT
That Brom scene is bad. I haven't seen anything like that in the game yet, and It's not a representation of the game's dialogue portions. I will say that watching dialogue scenes feels somehow different from playing them. Mass Effect included bc I remember watching my roommate play the entire Mass Effect game before playing it. I thought it sounded and looked awkward because of the pauses and long stares. Playing it feels different because you are actually thinking about the dialogue to choose during the pause. It feels more natural. Either way, we'll see. I wouldn't say I was a fanboy bc I knew nothing about Horizon until maybe a month ago during the previews. I just saying I'm pleasantly surprised how much fun the game is. It's use of other game's mechanics don't feel dry or boring because the game has it's own spin to it. But so did Witcher 3. It didn't really do anything new either. It just ampped up the quality of other open world features. I will say this game gives me that same feeling of awe and wonder that the Witcher 3 gave me when I first played it. No doubt mass Effect: Andromeda will too. I'm not calling you a fanboy, directly. I'm referring to the hype and anticipation around the game. It's a similar situation with Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. That is a good game, but it's not the amazing spectacle everybody was making it out to be. It also, like HZD, got a lot of insanely high scores from the gaming media and was considered a masterpiece. Now? People realize it was a mediocre to decent pseudo-open world game with a largely silly story. My impression is HZD will largely follow that same path after it has become stale after a few weeks to a few months. The Witcher 3 definitely did do something new... It successfully combined BioWare, choice-driven storytelling into a Bethesda-type open world experience. That had never been done before, and CDPR set a new standard for open world RPGs. Not to mention, that game has the best side quest content you'll ever find in any RPG. That game was truly innovative in its ambition and scope. From my perspective, HZD and TW3 aren't even in the same category. That goes for Mass Effect Andromeda as well. It looks like a quality new IP that could potentially become something great after a few games. With this initial showing, it just relies on too many generic open world staples and there are some issues with the game (animations and VA as I already pointed out). The Brom situation might not be everywhere, but it shows inconsistency. I don't think Witcher 3 did anything ground breaking. Its open world activities were by-the-numbers, albeit well executed. The combat was generic action gameplay with its own quirks. The dialogs and cutscenes were, as you said, mostly out of Bioware's playbook, but very well animated (better than Bioware does for sure). The sidequests had great stories around them, but mechanically most weren't amazing, you had lots of ''go there, Witcher Sense, talk to and/or kill someone''. My biggest takeaway is that it didn't fail at anything, it had combat people liked (even if I found it mediocre at best), a good story, good sidequests, good exploration, great graphics, it was just a big, nicely packaged bundle of what people look for in a AAA game. They didn't do something new, but rather combined good aspects from lots of sources. But there isn't any aspect to the game that I can say it's the best ever at. For sidequest design, for instance, I'd say Fallout New Vegas for instance most definitely beats TW3 thanks to the various ways you can handle them depending on skills, stats, reputations, previous decisions, so on and so forth. And if Andromeda fulfills half of its promises in terms of combat, it's going to blow TW3 out of the water in that department as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 1, 2017 0:46:30 GMT
I'm not calling you a fanboy, directly. I'm referring to the hype and anticipation around the game. It's a similar situation with Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. That is a good game, but it's not the amazing spectacle everybody was making it out to be. It also, like HZD, got a lot of insanely high scores from the gaming media and was considered a masterpiece. Now? People realize it was a mediocre to decent pseudo-open world game with a largely silly story. My impression is HZD will largely follow that same path after it has become stale after a few weeks to a few months. The Witcher 3 definitely did do something new... It successfully combined BioWare, choice-driven storytelling into a Bethesda-type open world experience. That had never been done before, and CDPR set a new standard for open world RPGs. Not to mention, that game has the best side quest content you'll ever find in any RPG. That game was truly innovative in its ambition and scope. From my perspective, HZD and TW3 aren't even in the same category. That goes for Mass Effect Andromeda as well. It looks like a quality new IP that could potentially become something great after a few games. With this initial showing, it just relies on too many generic open world staples and there are some issues with the game (animations and VA as I already pointed out). The Brom situation might not be everywhere, but it shows inconsistency. I don't think Witcher 3 did anything ground breaking. Its open world activities were by-the-numbers, albeit well executed. The combat was generic action gameplay with its own quirks. The dialogs and cutscenes were, as you said, mostly out of Bioware's playbook, but very well animated (better than Bioware does for sure). The sidequests had great stories around them, but mechanically most weren't amazing, you had lots of ''go there, Witcher Sense, talk to and/or kill someone''. My biggest takeaway is that it didn't fail at anything, it had combat people liked (even if I found it mediocre at best), a good story, good sidequests, good exploration, great graphics, it was just a big, nicely packaged bundle of what people look for in a AAA game. They didn't do something new, but rather combined good aspects from lots of sources. But there isn't any aspect to the game that I can say it's the best ever at. For sidequest design, for instance, I'd say Fallout New Vegas for instance most definitely beats TW3 thanks to the various ways you can handle them depending on skills, stats, reputations, previous decisions, so on and so forth. And if Andromeda fulfills half of its promises in terms of combat, it's going to blow TW3 out of the water in that department as far as I'm concerned. Yet, it wont... aside the fact that BW hasn't really stepped out of their comfort zone for 10 years now, they simply no longer have the writing talent to get anywhere near TW3's characters, story or world building. You might think W3 was nothing special, but it indeed was very special. Not even Bethesda pulled off the creation of a rich, SEAMLESS, believable open world on the level of CDPR, while also filling it with meaningful content. Usually open world games do only one of those things right... TW3 did both. That indeed was a first in games history. Of course, then there was also the exemplary post launch support for two years, most of which free... but that's not really a game quality.
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Post by jastall on Mar 1, 2017 1:30:14 GMT
I don't think Witcher 3 did anything ground breaking. Its open world activities were by-the-numbers, albeit well executed. The combat was generic action gameplay with its own quirks. The dialogs and cutscenes were, as you said, mostly out of Bioware's playbook, but very well animated (better than Bioware does for sure). The sidequests had great stories around them, but mechanically most weren't amazing, you had lots of ''go there, Witcher Sense, talk to and/or kill someone''. My biggest takeaway is that it didn't fail at anything, it had combat people liked (even if I found it mediocre at best), a good story, good sidequests, good exploration, great graphics, it was just a big, nicely packaged bundle of what people look for in a AAA game. They didn't do something new, but rather combined good aspects from lots of sources. But there isn't any aspect to the game that I can say it's the best ever at. For sidequest design, for instance, I'd say Fallout New Vegas for instance most definitely beats TW3 thanks to the various ways you can handle them depending on skills, stats, reputations, previous decisions, so on and so forth. And if Andromeda fulfills half of its promises in terms of combat, it's going to blow TW3 out of the water in that department as far as I'm concerned. Yet, it wont... aside the fact that BW hasn't really stepped out of their comfort zone for 10 years now, they simply no longer have the writing talent to get anywhere near TW3's characters, story or world building. You might think W3 was nothing special, but it indeed was very special. Not even Bethesda pulled off the creation of a rich, SEAMLESS, believable open world on the level of CDPR, while also filling it with meaningful content. Usually open world games do only one of those things right... TW3 did both. That indeed was a first in games history. Of course, then there was also the exemplary post launch support for two years, most of which free... but that's not really a game quality. It wasn't a first to me. New Vegas featured better side-content while also having a big open world with meaningful activities. It did have bad graphics even at the time, but that's a given since the engine was so old. As for your comments about the story, I'll say I respectfully disagree, TW3 didn't have great writing outside of the Bloody Baron and Kaer Morhen if you ask me. But I won't press the subject because I'm tired of Bioware vs CDPR shenanigans. I don't think the two companies are as dissimilar as some claim, or makes games that are in two separate tiers of quality. They compliment each other well, I find.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 1, 2017 1:36:33 GMT
Yet, it wont... aside the fact that BW hasn't really stepped out of their comfort zone for 10 years now, they simply no longer have the writing talent to get anywhere near TW3's characters, story or world building. You might think W3 was nothing special, but it indeed was very special. Not even Bethesda pulled off the creation of a rich, SEAMLESS, believable open world on the level of CDPR, while also filling it with meaningful content. Usually open world games do only one of those things right... TW3 did both. That indeed was a first in games history. Of course, then there was also the exemplary post launch support for two years, most of which free... but that's not really a game quality. It wasn't a first to me. New Vegas featured better side-content while also having a big open world with meaningful activities. It did have bad graphics even at the time, but that's a given since the engine was so old. As for your comments about the story, I'll say I respectfully disagree, TW3 didn't have great writing outside of the Bloody Baron and Kaer Morhen if you ask me. But I won't press the subject because I'm tired of Bioware vs CDPR shenanigans. I don't think the two companies are as dissimilar as some claim, or makes games that are in two separate tiers of quality. They compliment each other well, I find. They could be... I think, at this point, the main reason in different quality stems from the fact BW is a) bound by a rather restrictive publisher and has allowed them self to get wrapped up in a culture that has switched it's focus away from artistic integrity and creativity to, well - more often then not - produce content with a "message"... two factors CDPR isn't suffering from. ...but yea, moot discussion, I guess. *shrugs*
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Post by NUM13ER on Mar 1, 2017 1:44:46 GMT
The only games ME:A needs to stand up against is the last three Mass Effect titles. That's the only direct comparison that I see most critics and players making.
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Post by bshep on Mar 1, 2017 1:49:11 GMT
Very droll, but the point stands. If you are going to make a factual statement like '60% of sales will be on such and such a platform' you'd better have the facts to back it up; otherwise why make the claim? The point is that PS4 accounts for a ridiculous amount of EA's software sales. It's is the target platform because it's by and large where the primary customer base is and EA will undoubtedly be monitoring Horizon: Zero Dawn very closely. That doesn't mean that you can claim that. Do you have any evidence to back those claims? Because so far as i know EA usually doesn't release info about sales apart from saying if they had profit (like when DAI was release) or loss.
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Post by NUM13ER on Mar 1, 2017 2:10:43 GMT
The point is that PS4 accounts for a ridiculous amount of EA's software sales. It's is the target platform because it's by and large where the primary customer base is and EA will undoubtedly be monitoring Horizon: Zero Dawn very closely. That doesn't mean that you can claim that. Do you have any evidence to back those claims? Because so far as i know EA usually doesn't release info about sales apart from saying if they had profit (like when DAI was release) or loss. There's no definitive sales figures (and certainly no stats for sales-per-platform) but most estimates firmly put DA:I sales on PS4 far beyond any other platform. So there is some merit to saying they'll want to pay attention to Sony's player base.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 1, 2017 2:11:23 GMT
The only thing that will impact MEA review scores is if EA forgot to pay one of the reviewers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 2:13:20 GMT
People will find a way to buy Mass Effect Andromeda if they want it. Horizon won't change anything.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 1, 2017 2:20:53 GMT
The only thing that will impact MEA review scores is if EA forgot to pay one of the reviewers So true...
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 1, 2017 2:21:15 GMT
I have no idea if it'll impact Andromeda sales but can I just say that I'm super pissed I can't play this game on PC? Exclusives exist for a reason, Microsoft seems to have forgotten that.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 1, 2017 10:15:35 GMT
DAI MEA comparisons to Witcher Horizon inc I swear: Dark souls and wicther fans are the worst fanboys. Neither of these games is perfect by any means! I love witcher very much but blind fans should face it, replay value is dead bottom compared to Inquisition, combat is unbalanced , you can easilly cheese through the most game by aarding the shit out of everything human. WHen aard is not an option just counter OR igni to death then roll and igni again. While geralt is way more diverse and deep than inquisitor geralt is always geralt on subsequent playhroughs whereas EACH inquisitor is different. ALso Inquisition has way more diverse landscapes than just a marsh, and eastern european type forests. Also people constantly bitching about facial animations in andromeda whereas skyrim, fallout, all bethesda games have literally garbage animations. Lip sync you say?? Check ciris rerutn to caer mohern muted and check out the bad lip sync and animation in there. The truth however is than massive games like these theese technical features matter little. So yeah just stop whining.
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Post by krazyguy on Mar 1, 2017 10:32:15 GMT
DAI MEA comparisons to Witcher Horizon inc I swear: Dark souls and wicther fans are the worst fanboys. Neither of these games is perfect by any means! I love witcher very much but blind fans should face it, replay value is dead bottom compared to Inquisition, combat is unbalanced , you can easilly cheese through the most game by aarding the shit out of everything human. WHen aard is not an option just counter OR igni to death then roll and igni again. While geralt is way more diverse and deep than inquisitor geralt is always geralt on subsequent playhroughs whereas EACH inquisitor is different. ALso Inquisition has way more diverse landscapes than just a marsh, and eastern european type forests. Also people constantly bitching about facial animations in andromeda whereas skyrim, fallout, all bethesda games have literally garbage animations. Lip sync you say?? Check ciris rerutn to caer mohern muted and check out the bad lip sync and animation in there. The truth however is than massive games like these theese technical features matter little. So yeah just stop whining. I agree with the witcher fans... the fanatical kind anyway, they won't have it when another AAA rpg is on the horizon, they feel threatened and want nothing surpassing it either. I think the witcher series is awesome and I want more rpg's to be the same quality or even better than it, cause we all win that way as rpg fans and i want to enjoy many of them too, not just ME, DA or witcher or whatever... sigh but nope, they won't have it
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 1, 2017 10:39:15 GMT
I swear: Dark souls and wicther fans are the worst fanboys. Neither of these games is perfect by any means! I love witcher very much but blind fans should face it, replay value is dead bottom compared to Inquisition, combat is unbalanced , you can easilly cheese through the most game by aarding the shit out of everything human. WHen aard is not an option just counter OR igni to death then roll and igni again. While geralt is way more diverse and deep than inquisitor geralt is always geralt on subsequent playhroughs whereas EACH inquisitor is different. ALso Inquisition has way more diverse landscapes than just a marsh, and eastern european type forests. Also people constantly bitching about facial animations in andromeda whereas skyrim, fallout, all bethesda games have literally garbage animations. Lip sync you say?? Check ciris rerutn to caer mohern muted and check out the bad lip sync and animation in there. The truth however is than massive games like these theese technical features matter little. So yeah just stop whining. I agree with the witcher fans... the fanatical kind anyway, they won't have it when another AAA rpg is on the horizon, they feel threatened and want nothing surpassing it either. I think the witcher series is awesome and I want more rpg's to be the same quality or even better than it, cause we all win that way as rpg fans and i want to enjoy many of them too, not just ME, DA or witcher or whatever... sigh but nope, they won't have it Yes man sure witcher is a fantastic game, no argue about that, But perfect? no! it has many design flaws which people fail to mention. Seriously my 2nd playthrough i got bored, there was zero dearture from my first playthrough. Only the romance changed and despute playing full alchemy no sign the combat as the same. The same cannot be said about any bioware game where: Yoy can play another class, race, sex, romance , voice actor (inquisition) , and roleplay. In witcher you roleplay as geralt always In bioware games your character roleplays as you
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I swear: Dark souls and wicther fans are the worst fanboys. Neither of these games is perfect by any means! I love witcher very much but blind fans should face it, replay value is dead bottom compared to Inquisition, combat is unbalanced , you can easilly cheese through the most game by aarding the shit out of everything human. WHen aard is not an option just counter OR igni to death then roll and igni again. While geralt is way more diverse and deep than inquisitor geralt is always geralt on subsequent playhroughs whereas EACH inquisitor is different. ALso Inquisition has way more diverse landscapes than just a marsh, and eastern european type forests. Also people constantly bitching about facial animations in andromeda whereas skyrim, fallout, all bethesda games have literally garbage animations. Lip sync you say?? Check ciris rerutn to caer mohern muted and check out the bad lip sync and animation in there. The truth however is than massive games like these theese technical features matter little. So yeah just stop whining. I agree with the witcher fans... the fanatical kind anyway, they won't have it when another AAA rpg is on the horizon, they feel threatened and want nothing surpassing it either. I think the witcher series is awesome and I want more rpg's to be the same quality or even better than it, cause we all win that way as rpg fans and i want to enjoy many of them too, not just ME, DA or witcher or whatever... sigh but nope, they won't have it As a "fanatical witcher fan" myself I can only say: You maybe underestimate us a bit... personally, I think most of the - especially longtime - fans know the series - heck, even W3 - isn't perfect. The great difference to most other franchises out there, including DA, is: CDPR has, pretty consistently - tried to do right by their fans. They treated the source material, as well as their own lore, with a great deal of respect, yet didn't ignore what their player base had to say either... that builds trust and brand loyalty. Now take a look at BW... you starting to see where the problem really lies? It's not necessarily the quality of the games...
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 1, 2017 11:12:58 GMT
I agree with the witcher fans... the fanatical kind anyway, they won't have it when another AAA rpg is on the horizon, they feel threatened and want nothing surpassing it either. I think the witcher series is awesome and I want more rpg's to be the same quality or even better than it, cause we all win that way as rpg fans and i want to enjoy many of them too, not just ME, DA or witcher or whatever... sigh but nope, they won't have it As a "fanatical witcher fan" myself I can only say: You maybe underestimate us a bit... personally, I think most of the - especially longtime - fans know the series - heck, even W3 - isn't perfect. The great difference to most other franchises out there, including DA, is: CDPR has, pretty consistently - tried to do right by their fans. They treated the source material, as well as their own lore, with a great deal of respect, yet didn't ignore what their player base had to say either... that builds trust and brand loyalty. Now take a look at BW... you starting to see where the problem really lies? It's not necessarily the quality of the games... Yeap true taht, but also do realise that every single bioware game and sequel plays differently than the previous one. bioware games do not rely on their established status. this is why i know andromeda wont be like the trilogy. Its not mass effect 4 its andromeda for a reason.
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