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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 1, 2017 19:36:28 GMT
Aaaand now we're back to talking about the fucking witcher. The circle is complete. It always happens... The TW3 fans just can't help themselves. I am so sick of hearing about that game and franchise at this point. Want to talk about Dragon Age, Mass Effect, or even a Skyrim... NOPE! THE WITCHER!
If I wanted to talk about that game, I'd go to the CDPR forums or one's dedicated to that game. But I don't like the franchise and I don't continually go to those forums to talk about how Bioware did it right and CDPR is just sucking.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 1, 2017 19:47:56 GMT
The bottom line is that I care about the final product, not about the process. And if CDPR are capable of doing something EA can't, more power to them. I'm not buying my video games out of sympathy. Was anyone arguing that you should?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 1, 2017 19:51:20 GMT
"Far less compromises" is different than your previous claim. And anyway, if that's what it takes to make good games, then that's what I want to see. I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing staple franchises with staple elements, all of them overused and stale (and worse - just annoying). If it's Ubisoft and their take on open world games, or others. The bottom line is that I care about the final product, not about the process. And if CDPR are capable of doing something EA can't, more power to them. I'm not buying my video games out of sympathy. As for the mission itself, "very fun and engaging" sounds like a gross overstatement to me... What exactly was so fun? The incompetent player? The overused mechanics? The complete lack of anything truly spectacular or revolutionary about the gameplay? Peebee acting like a brat with no consequences? Flawed logic? (the tempest can't extract you! Why? We can't land! Can't you just, I don't know, hover above ground?... You do have an Eezo core after all...) Cringe banter between Peebee and her rival that sounded like a schoolgirl fight? The manly looks of Peebee's rival (she doesn't need to be attractive, but she needs to look like an Asari...) and her floating rifle during the cutscene? The boring enemies that looked like either re-purposed ME3 enemies or the Ceph from Crysis? Compared to other studios, CDPR essentially does make "zero compromises." If you don't like staple franchises, don't buy sequel games, especially annual releases like Call of Duty and formerly Assassin's Creed. I think everybody would agree what they care about most is the actual game, not how it's made. Most of the animations in MEA look great. The combat looks fun. The visuals are great. The voice acting was top notch. I really don't see a lot to criticize about the game, other than wonky facial animations which isn't a deal breaker. I'd say getting rid of classes, the addition of the jump jet, and cover virtually everywhere are rather "revolutionary" changes for the series. Kind of hard to judge Peebee when you didn't even seen most of the loyalty mission, nor was any actual context provided. I won't judge the story until I actually see it in its entirety, but it looks promising to me. I didn't find the banter cringe-worthy and I certainly don't believe Peebee's rival looks like a man either. The floating rifle was amusing, but something I honestly didn't even notice immediately. I'm less worried about the particular uniqueness of an enemy and more interested in how they will work together to try and defeat me. I'll be playing on Insanity, myself, so my experience will hopefully be very different from what IGN was experiencing on Normal. Reasonable minds may differ, but nothing about that loyalty mission was alarming or concerning for me, personally.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 1, 2017 19:56:32 GMT
I've played about 2 hours of the witcher 3. It's currently on my steam backlog of shame, but I feel no compulsion to go play it.
Likewise I have never completed DA:I. I put a good few hours into but that was enough, and i feel no compulsion to carry on with it.
All these arguments over which game or company is best seems like an extension of apple vs other phonemakers, or xbox vs ps4, or console peasants vs mustard race or whatever clan/tribe you choose to cling to.
Hopefully most of you will grow out of it, and realise that at the end of the day it's just a product that you can choose to buy or not, and being loyal to a corporation is frankly rather bizarre (albeit a marketer's joy).
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 1, 2017 20:03:49 GMT
I've played about 2 hours of the witcher 3. It's currently on my steam backlog of shame, but I feel no compulsion to go play it. Likewise I have never completed DA:I. I put a good few hours into but that was enough, and i feel no compulsion to carry on with it. All these arguments over which game or company is best seems like an extension of apple vs other phonemakers, or xbox vs ps4, or console peasants vs mustard race or whatever clan/tribe you choose to cling to. Hopefully most of you will grow out of it, and realise that at the end of the day it's just a product that you can choose to buy or not, and being loyal to a corporation is frankly rather bizarre (albeit a marketer's joy). Not about being "loyal to a corporation." It's about the constraints of game development and the limits that some businesses have compared to others. It's simply fact that some businesses are more consumer-friendly than others. Regardless, what I care about are the games these developers make beyond everything else. EA doesn't exactly have a great track record when it comes to releasing games. But, BioWare is one of the best RPG developers in the industry. I'm not worried about MEA and I except it will be a good game at the very least. EA will get its microtransactions shoved into the MP and everybody wins. Oddly enough, a season pass is something I would buy for a BioWare game. For whatever reason, BioWare still refuses to do season passes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 20:16:57 GMT
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” Every time I read a comment about how "Disney" Andromeda is, I cringe. As a total Disney diehard, the comparison doesn't carry the negative overtones some may intend to convey for me. I hope the Archon is as good as Judge Frolo. If he sings Hellfire, the game will be a perfect 10.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 1, 2017 20:24:56 GMT
Compared to other studios, CDPR essentially does make "zero compromises." If you don't like staple franchises, don't buy sequel games, especially annual releases like Call of Duty and formerly Assassin's Creed. ... *shrug* I highly doubt that your claim is realistic. Are you intimately familiar with CDPR and their development process that you are so confident making claims about them? And you are right, for the most part I avoid CoD and Ubisoft products in general, just like I avoid cash-grabs like EA's "Battlefront". I bought the recent CoD because of the Sci-Fi theme, it was decent enough I suppose (for what it is anyway), but wasn't really worth the price if you are only interested in the SP. I've been following CDPR for 10 years. It's frivolous to try and compare their unique situation to anybody else. It's also pointless to try and hold other studios to the same standards of CDPR when those studios physically are not capable of making the same decisions. Other than perhaps Rockstar Games, there simply isn't any other studio that has as much freedom as CDPR does when it comes to game development. I haven't played a COD game since CoD: BO1 and I doubt I ever will play another one. I prefer games that have at least a three year development cycle. I guess that's why I tend to gravitate towards RPGs, as they tend to evolve with each title more so than other genres. Regardless of how one may feel about MEA, no one can deny that BioWare has changed a lot from ME3 in these past years. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but MEA is not simply ME4 with prettier graphics.
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Post by jayhartric on Mar 1, 2017 20:26:22 GMT
Peebee is easily the most annoying character I've ever heard in a ME game. It was like having two narrators between SAM and her. I hope every mission isn't like that or I won't use her at all.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 1, 2017 21:14:11 GMT
I've been following CDPR for 10 years. It's frivolous to try and compare their unique situation to anybody else. It's also pointless to try and hold other studios to the same standards of CDPR when those studios physically are not capable of making the same decisions. Other than perhaps Rockstar Games, there simply isn't any other studio that has as much freedom as CDPR does when it comes to game development. I haven't played a game since CoD: BO1 and I doubt I ever will play another one. I prefer games that have at least a three year development cycle. I guess that's why I tend to gravitate towards RPGs, as they tend to evolve with each title more so than other genres. Regardless of how one may feel about MEA, no one can deny that BioWare has changed a lot from ME3 in these past years. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but MEA is not simply ME4 with prettier graphics. "Following CDPR" as a fan, and seeing their actual development process are two very different things, one merely means that you are aware of public information, while the other means that you actually know how things work. That said, I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong. Because whatever their secret sauce is, they managed to win a lot of fans with their recent success. So they must be doing something right. I'd say that Bioware has been changing a lot since DA:O, not ME:3... As for ME:A, it's certainly not ME:4, it's seems like a hybrid between GoW and Destiny to me. And I don't mean this comparison as a flattery. It will probably be an average-decent game with relatively high production values in some areas, and some weird failings in other areas (i.e animations and faces). Agree, MEA is looking more like a GoW and Halo 4 hybrid for me rather than a ARPG. I could only hope EA would not put a DLC fiasco like Activition did for Destiny. But who am I kidding:(
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 1, 2017 21:15:56 GMT
toxic af comment section.......again.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 1, 2017 21:34:13 GMT
Peebee is easily the most annoying character I've ever heard in a ME game. It was like having two narrators between SAM and her. I hope every mission isn't like that or I won't use her at all. Got a good feeling about this one, just like Sera. :ulikeit:
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 1, 2017 21:42:59 GMT
toxic af comment section.......again. I wonder if ANY kind of criticism is possible these days without triggering the automatic defenses of BW. Agreed on that. And I don't agree with every criticism been made here.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 1, 2017 21:44:44 GMT
toxic af comment section.......again. I wonder if ANY kind of criticism is possible these days without triggering the automatic defenses of BW. "game looks like total shit" pretty much sums up every negative YouTube comment, and I'm being generous.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 1, 2017 21:53:17 GMT
Got a good feeling about this one, just like Sera. :ulikeit: Don't get the hate for Sera at all to be honest. Say what you like about DA:I, you could get some pretty damn good screenshots from it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:06:40 GMT
Peebee is easily the most annoying character I've ever heard in a ME game. It was like having two narrators between SAM and her. I hope every mission isn't like that or I won't use her at all. Hopefully she's not as chipper in conversation. It will quickly become grating if she's always so upbeat.
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Post by Kian on Mar 1, 2017 22:08:12 GMT
Aaaand now we're back to talking about the fucking witcher. The circle is complete. It always happens... The TW3 fans just can't help themselves. I am so sick of hearing about that game and franchise at this point. Want to talk about Dragon Age, Mass Effect, or even a Skyrim... NOPE! THE WITCHER!
If I wanted to talk about that game, I'd go to the CDPR forums or one's dedicated to that game. But I don't like the franchise and I don't continually go to those forums to talk about how Bioware did it right and CDPR is just sucking.
Do I detect reason?! Begone demon!!!
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 1, 2017 22:15:50 GMT
toxic af comment section.......again. I wonder if ANY kind of criticism is possible these days without triggering the automatic defenses of BW. Reasonable criticism, yes. People saying "PeeBee looks like Shrek" are trolling, because she absolutely doesn't in this video. They are just quoting the meme from last year's E3. Saying that everything about it is crap, terrible, etc, is not reasonable. The action looks good, the setting looks great, there are many things to be praised in this video. There are some faults, sure. Some things need improvement (especially the skill of the player). But to be on a hate-train saying there are no redeeming qualities of the game shown in the video? That's wrong, trolling, hatred. And we should be able to defend against baseless hatred of a game we are looking forward to and a company we support and who has given us games we enjoyed. It doesn't have to be "fanboy"ism every time someone says something good about the game or goes against baseless criticisms. Could the facial animations be better? Sure. Could some of the banter be less hand-holdy? Sure, but that was explained by the devs. There are assuredly criticisms to be had. But to say that this game looks awful, terrible, worst game ever, etc based on this gameplay footage is wrong. People have their opinions, sure, but that's just wrong.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 1, 2017 22:19:17 GMT
Peebee is easily the most annoying character I've ever heard in a ME game. It was like having two narrators between SAM and her. I hope every mission isn't like that or I won't use her at all. Hopefully she's not as chipper in conversation. It will quickly become grating if she's always so upbeat. She would be the complete opposite of Javik in that case But why do you think it would become grating?
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 1, 2017 22:23:24 GMT
I wonder if ANY kind of criticism is possible these days without triggering the automatic defenses of BW. Reasonable criticism, yes. People saying "PeeBee looks like Shrek" are trolling, because she absolutely doesn't in this video. They are just quoting the meme from last year's E3. Saying that everything about it is crap, terrible, etc, is not reasonable. The action looks good, the setting looks great, there are many things to be praised in this video. There are some faults, sure. Some things need improvement (especially the skill of the player). But to be on a hate-train saying there are no redeeming qualities of the game shown in the video? That's wrong, trolling, hatred. And we should be able to defend against baseless hatred of a game we are looking forward to and a company we support and who has given us games we enjoyed. It doesn't have to be "fanboy"ism every time someone says something good about the game or goes against baseless criticisms. Could the facial animations be better? Sure. Could some of the banter be less hand-holdy? Sure, but that was explained by the devs. There are assuredly criticisms to be had. But to say that this game looks awful, terrible, worst game ever, etc based on this gameplay footage is wrong. People have their opinions, sure, but that's just wrong. Finally someone who gets it.
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Post by Indomito on Mar 1, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
Well, i like the video, i expected to see some combat and it was there. The journalist was obviusly not good at playing the game. I dont care much about some characters. More positive things overall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:27:42 GMT
Hopefully she's not as chipper in conversation. It will quickly become grating if she's always so upbeat. She would be the complete opposite of Javik in that case But why do you think it would become grating? Maybe I'm a bit of a curmudgeon, but I find people who are actually like that in real life to be grating. There is a time and place to be happy. People that are happy all the time, no matter the circumstances, make me suspicious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:32:21 GMT
toxic af comment section.......again. I wonder if ANY kind of criticism is possible these days without triggering the automatic defenses of BW. To be fair, there's quite a bit of bullshit here, as well as YouTube. Criticism is fine. I complain about Bioware games almost religiously, and I get along with most people here just fine. You just have to be reasonable and explain why you dislike the things you dislike.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:34:03 GMT
Got a good feeling about this one, just like Sera. :ulikeit: Don't get the hate for Sera at all to be honest. <snip> Say what you like about DA:I, you could get some pretty damn good screenshots from it. I can tell you don't get it, because a bunch of pretty screenshots have absolutely nothing to do with Sera as a character.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 1, 2017 22:39:58 GMT
I can tell you don't get it, because a bunch of pretty screenshots have absolutely nothing to do with Sera as a character. I do get it, I like her character. I found her most amusing, and she was a regular in my party along with Cassandra - hence the pretty screenshots with her in it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:45:44 GMT
I can tell you don't get it, because a bunch of pretty screenshots have absolutely nothing to do with Sera as a character. I do get it, I like her character. I found her most amusing, and she was a regular in my party along with Cassandra - hence the pretty screenshots with her in it. Other people don't. Most people don't, as far as I can tell. Regardless, a plethora of screenshots don't say anything about Sera's character. Hence me not being surprised by you not being able to understand why people dislike her. The post basically reads like, "I don't get why people don't like Sera. See how cool she is in this screenshot." People tend to dislike her personality. Which doesn't show in those images.
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