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Post by SilJeff on Mar 17, 2017 3:24:18 GMT
This facial animation shitstorm is making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Is it an issue? sure, but it is not the end of the world or the death of the game like so many are making it out to be.
It is purely cosmetic, it isn't something like the gameplay mechanics or the writing.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 3:32:44 GMT
This facial animation shitstorm is making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Is it an issue? sure, but it is not the end of the world or the death of the game like so many are making it out to be. It is purely cosmetic, it isn't something like the gameplay mechanics or the writing. no no, for that we have the kindergarten level writing, I swear its like they found every cliche and wrote down their cheesiest lines
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Post by farsight on Mar 17, 2017 5:02:35 GMT
I would say this games biggest flaw is its human facial animations and a few other body ones. It's weird. Looking at the Krogan up close its astounding. Then you look at a human and it looks like a... alpha version face. Except nearly all the humans have bad faces like they weren't touched up. It's so weird.The characters are so far kind of derivative. Nothing seems to set them apart from the previous squaddies.
That said I lowered my expectations awhile ago. I'm just playing this for the solid gameplay. multiplayer, and setting/story. Who knows maybe the charachters get more interesting later.
So far from a gut instinct this feels like a 7-8.5 out of 10. I can't see myself giving it anything higher. I didn't give DAI much higher because DAO was rated so high by myself. If this game fucks up or gets worse then yea something lower than 7 is not out of the question.
Most likely going to get it, but will wait for a few full reviews.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Mar 17, 2017 5:12:24 GMT
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 5:25:20 GMT
This facial animation shitstorm is making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Is it an issue? sure, but it is not the end of the world or the death of the game like so many are making it out to be. It is purely cosmetic, it isn't something like the gameplay mechanics or the writing. no no, for that we have the kindergarten level writing, I swear its like they found every cliche and wrote down their cheesiest lines I'm curious to know exactly what this entails throughout the entirety of the game and how it compares to its predecessor, because the original trilogy is full of considerably cornball or straight up daft lines or a forcible drain of intelligence but we ate it up anyhow.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 5:29:07 GMT
no no, for that we have the kindergarten level writing, I swear its like they found every cliche and wrote down their cheesiest lines I'm curious to know exactly what this entails throughout the entirety of the game and how it compares to its predecessor, because the original trilogy is full of considerably cornball or straight up daft lines or a forcible drain of intelligence but we ate it up anyhow. through increasingly clenched teeth in my case. Maybe its because its so much more immediately availible, hell one of the first things Liam tells you about himself is that he was a cop and will only talk about it over beer, or the distant daddy who leaves big shoes to fill, and every ME politician ever could all come from the same catalogue. I suppose its a bigger issue in my eyes for this because it is supposed to be a fresh beginning, as if they couldn't hammer that in enough, but everything feels like ground we've covered.
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Post by Raga on Mar 17, 2017 14:03:38 GMT
I've just been playing Horizon: Zero Dawn, which is proof that an absolutely beautiful game can have wonky awful facial animations and still be fine. They are much worse than MEA. I've had instances in that game where the sound file ended and a character's lips keep moving for a couple of seconds afterward. MEA's are adequate which is all I need.
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Post by Typhons Bioheat on Mar 17, 2017 20:32:12 GMT
Link:- www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-won-t-be-getting-a-day-one-fix-for-animation-complaints-3451726Ouch... The sad reality is that the animations will most likely never be patched, let alone patched completely. Why ? Bioware would have to go back and do the face motion capture, correct the texture issues, fix the underlying issues with the lighting engine, and possibly re-record the lines to coincide with the motion capture. The issues are so widespread that it would require a significant time period, say months or even a year, as well as significant amount of money to fix them all. From a realistic standpoint, the animation fix will most likely never happen at all.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 20:38:23 GMT
Yup I saw this confirmed by a couple sources. This is bad, like Bethesda level bad maybe????
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Post by empirex on Mar 17, 2017 21:09:28 GMT
No one cares about people who just want to whine and complain about early pre-release footage. So how's your bubble?
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 21:20:47 GMT
This facial animation shitstorm is making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Is it an issue? sure, but it is not the end of the world or the death of the game like so many are making it out to be. It is purely cosmetic, it isn't something like the gameplay mechanics or the writing. Some people are saying the writing is bad. I'm not on EA access so I wouldn't know.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 17, 2017 21:31:08 GMT
This facial animation shitstorm is making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Is it an issue? sure, but it is not the end of the world or the death of the game like so many are making it out to be. It is purely cosmetic, it isn't something like the gameplay mechanics or the writing. Some people are saying the writing is bad. I'm not on EA access so I wouldn't know. There are people with EA Access (like myself) who are responding to a poll here on the boards. It's an overwhelmingly positive response so far. bsn.boards.net/thread/5189/early-accessers-give-own-score
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 21:44:44 GMT
Yup I'm aware of that poll. But it doesn't say anything about the writing or voice acting which some people have complained about. If facial animations and bugs are the only glaring issue with this game I'd consider that a win at this point.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Mar 17, 2017 21:49:29 GMT
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Post by tyra on Mar 17, 2017 23:09:29 GMT
I think BioWare could actually step out and say "yes, we acknowledge it and we are gonna address the facial animations in a future patch", and then just release a DLC called Human Facial Animations Rework. I don't believe the Frostbite 3 engine is at it's limit about what they can do about it because Battlefield 1 has awesome animations and face expressions.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 17, 2017 23:57:17 GMT
Sorry, but where does it say she's the lead? Beside, there was someone else on the lead before her, since she's working with EA for less then two years. Also, is she is, based on the fact she works with EA in Vancouver, it'd be more of EA's fault and not Bioware's.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 17, 2017 23:59:02 GMT
Sorry, but where does it say she's the lead? Beside, there was someone else on the lead before her, since she's working with EA for less then two years. check the link to her twitter, it's on her site. twitter.com/allierosemarieYes, it's more on EA. But at the end of the day we ended up with shitty facial animations in a franchise that should have top notch.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 18, 2017 0:02:34 GMT
Sorry, but where does it say she's the lead? Beside, there was someone else on the lead before her, since she's working with EA for less then two years. check the link to her twitter, it's on her site. twitter.com/allierosemarieYes, it's more on EA. But at the end of the day we ended up with shitty facial animations in a franchise that should have top notch. Thanks. Still seems to be more of EA's responsibility, since it seems she was stationed in Vancouver. And her responsability is shared with whoever was there before her.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 18, 2017 0:06:36 GMT
check the link to her twitter, it's on her site. twitter.com/allierosemarieYes, it's more on EA. But at the end of the day we ended up with shitty facial animations in a franchise that should have top notch. Thanks. Still seems to be more of EA's responsibility, since it seems she was stationed in Vancouver. And her responsability is shared with whoever was there before her. Sure, the blame is on whomever hired underqualified people for lead positions.
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Post by worsin on Mar 18, 2017 2:11:49 GMT
i find it insulting that in 1 article they brag about pushing the limits of animations
"We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
And then when people call them out on it they basically say...sorry it's not happening.
That being said are animations a total game breaker? No. But don't sit there and brag to us how AMAZEBALLS the animations are going to be when they are clearly sub-standard.
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Post by derrame on Mar 18, 2017 2:29:58 GMT
That being said are animations a total game breaker? Yes, they are. that is a big reason to fix them left eye has one emotion, right eye has another different emotion, mouth has another different emotion, the situation demands an entirely new emotion, etc your character walks like a crab or just floats faces or eyes of npc's are stuck face fo your Ryder is glitched on cutscenes more than 5 years of development, millionsof dollars, this animatons are unnacceptable, but Bugware and EA have already make lot of money, so they won't fix it players? fans? customers? fuck them, Biobug and EA don't care about them, the already have our money it's Mass Effect for fuck's sake!
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Post by kino on Mar 18, 2017 2:32:27 GMT
I don't know if something as big as animations could be fixed in a patch. Would probably need a full blown update.
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