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Post by sosolaris on Jan 23, 2017 6:15:54 GMT
I've seen you make a comment like this before, and I explained it then too. It's simple: people are tired of the constant Witcher 3 comparisons that are thinly veiled excuses to shit on other games/developers. Discussion and legitimately comparing the positive and negative points of W3 and another game is great and all, but most often it's just an overdone circlejerk. People are tired of it, and are reacting against it. I agree and also disagree. I agree that it's great to have legit conversations about 2 of the best RPG franchises ever, Mass Effect is space adventure perfected and The Witcher 3 is an exemplary open world RPG which is more the direction of Andromeda, so of course comparisons between these titans are always going to be mentioned by people with deep love for excellent RPGs and ties to both. I disagree that it's more often than not a circlejerk: I think true passion for TW3 is often misconstrued as hate for ME, although there is some of that about (I admit the odd hater just jumps in, disses Shep and Co. with a TW3 comparison shitpost then leaves). Reacting for the sake of reacting (the mere mention of the ghastly word ' Witcher') shouldn't be a thing, although reacting to people shitting on ME and using TW3 as an innocent tool for said shitting should definitely be pounced upon with gusto: that's wack as fuck and deserves hate. This is a BioWare fan forum so people jumping in and saying that "this that and the other is shit in Mass Effect since it's not like The Witcher" aren't doing it right: constructive comparisons should be allowed without the equally annoying Anti-Geralt brigade jumping on a brother/sister. You're basically saying that any mention of the game deserves hate since some people (there are plenty not included in the all encompassing blanket group of 'people') feel Mass Effect is threatened by comparisons to a great game: when really, we know Mass Effect is just as great, and is an amazing gaming franchise that we love (that's why we're here, no?), and these comparisons shouldn't be able to shake our steadfast love for the ME Universe, but enhance it with great conversation in a cool community. Incendiary Ammo and Igni Signs both have delightful flames, no need for one to burn brighter. I'm not saying the overeactive backlash is rational. I'm just explaining why it's happening. And I just don't think the "Anti-Geralt" brigade (on this board) is as numerous or obnoxious as the W3 fanboys circlejerking absolutely everywhere else. I assume certain fans come here to escape the constant deriding comparisons, and to see it on their own forum can be annoying, which is also probably why you notice more negativity here. I should mention that in general, I'm not only thinking of MEA; the constant W3 namedropping against almost any game is practically a meme at this point. Yes, there are valid and constructive comparisons to be had, but I'm not surprised that after all this time people are just tired of hearing about W3. That's why some posts criticizing it have a tone of exasperation. I'm not saying it's deserved, and nor do I fully agree. But I understand why it happens.
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Post by MrR40 on Jan 23, 2017 6:34:22 GMT
Video games are like humans
A few near flawless specimens but mostly all of them have wonky elements/deficiencies/imperfections and simply are average.
*drinks a shot because The Witcher 3 was mentioned*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 7:29:58 GMT
In what's been revealed so far, I haven't seen anything as bad as Anderson's infamous running animation in ME3.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jan 23, 2017 7:30:33 GMT
that asari animations are very good, that you don't like how she moves does not mean that animations are bad, maybe the devs wanted her to look funny, i don't know, but the animation itself is fine Both her running animation and turning animation are shit. She runs like male Ryder romanced her in the wrong hole the night before and those stupid one-legged hops do not account for the centrifugal force from turning during a sprint. What a load of crap. Get out into the real world and watch people run. Slating the animations because she turns while running using a realistic but sub-optimal method is taking nitpicking to the extreme. And this is coming from somebody who is more than happy to criticise Bioware. I tend to do it when they've actually got something wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 7:41:07 GMT
Some wonky animations are to be expected. Welcome to video games.
What we've seen of Andromeda's animations however looks like amateur hour. Hopefully the devs were being honest when they say that animations were still being worked on, and that the finished product would be much improved, because the quality of the facial animations (and Fem Ryder's disarm of that bandit) fell far short of what should be expected in a AAA game.
That said, I didn't mind Peebee's Charlie Chaplin hop. It was animated well. That it looks quirky or humorous was no doubt intended with everything we know so far about her character. I think it's too soon to dump on that scene, and we'll have to see how it plays out in the game.
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Post by jediguardian on Jan 23, 2017 7:53:25 GMT
I don't have problem with animation on Mass Effect Andromeda. Maybe I am low standard or OP just set it very high.
I am more concern about friendly Mose/Keyboard control, That is the most disappoint I got from DAI.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 7:56:51 GMT
This is what I get for looking at this thread before going to bed. You can have this back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 8:06:28 GMT
Dude just lower your expectation for this game. This is problem with Bioware fans, they hold Bioware too high of a standard. I have already per-ordered this game and I have zero expectation. If it happens to be a good game that's a bonus. The reason I'm supporting them is because of the ME trilogy and employees that work there - they're awesome to interact too and they communicate with their audience. They have been working on MEA for 5 years, the very least thing I can do is to support them and not nitpick every little detail.
I understand your whole animation frustration, but the gaming lineup for 2017 is insane. If you think MEA isn't on par just move on to another gaming franchise. There's is just too many good games coming out for you to be angry over animations in one game.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 23, 2017 8:26:23 GMT
This thread again? Oh dear... Also had to look at the post count to be sure this isn't a 1 post troll.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 9:37:39 GMT
This is what I get for looking at this thread before going to bed. You can have this back. 'Polish it up'? Haha, is that a euphemism for ... you know ... nudge nudge say no more ... erm ... probably not.
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Post by Amirit on Jan 23, 2017 10:20:03 GMT
Now we all know that Bioware has a really bad track record when it comes to producing good ingame animations. But what I've seen from the trailers so far was downright atrocious. What do you guys think? Do the animations bother you, or are your expectations already sufficiently low since it's a Bioware game? I think your accusations are poorly worded. First, the name of the company with truly atrocious animation is Bethesda (oh, those stone faces and wooden plastic!). In case of Bioware, though, it's not the movements itself (that can be quite good with mocap and all that) but re-use and misuse of that very, very old library of movements they accumulated during the years of games development. And here we can only wait and see what they will come up with. Personaly, after Bethesda's games nothing in that department can truly bother me.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 23, 2017 10:45:12 GMT
Moving this delightful conversation to the 'Facial Animations' thread...
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 23, 2017 11:29:27 GMT
Moving this delightful conversation to the 'Facial Animations' thread... Good move Sofa, I like the way you mod mate - subtle yet firm (just how I like my coffee in the morning too)
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 23, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
Moving this delightful conversation to the 'Facial Animations' thread... Good move Sofa, I like the way you mod mate - subtle yet firm (just how I like my coffee in the morning too) As I'm a brit (mostly), think of it like an English butler silently gliding around the stately home moving the furniture... (Sofa's included)
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Post by themikefest on Jan 23, 2017 12:33:08 GMT
What we've seen of Andromeda's animations however looks like amateur hour. Hopefully the devs were being honest when they say that animations were still being worked on, and that the finished product would be much improved, because the quality of the facial animations (and Fem Ryder's disarm of that bandit) fell far short of what should be expected in a AAA game. Amateur hour. I like that. Its surprising they weren't better than what has been shown given they've been working on this game for nearly 5 years. peepee's Charlie Chaplin Hop. I like that. I believe because of her attire and facepaint, that she was a clown in the circus before joining the project. So her role was to make the crowd laugh which explains her run.
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Post by degs29 on Jan 23, 2017 14:32:17 GMT
Dude just lower your expectation for this game. This is problem with Bioware fans, they hold Bioware too high of a standard. I have already per-ordered this game and I have zero expectation. If it happens to be a good game that's a bonus. Why would you pre-order a game you have zero expectations for? Unless you pre-order every game, that's just a false statement. There's a difference between having zero expectations and having reasonable expectations. I agree though, Bioware fans tend to nitpick, which drives me nuts. Despite flaws, I have never played a Bioware game I haven't enjoyed. Back to the topic, if you take a close look facial animations for any game, it's always uncanny. The trick is to get to the point where you don't notice it. That's on both the player and the developer. I can do that with most games, so the fact that the facial animation in the trailer stood out to me means the dev hasn't yet followed through with their responsibilities on that front, to the point where it's on par or beyond other current games.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 23, 2017 16:36:00 GMT
Snip You're basically saying that any mention of the game deserves hate since some people (there are plenty not included in the all encompassing blanket group of 'people') feel Mass Effect is threatened by comparisons to a great game: I'm not saying the overeactive backlash is rational. I'm just explaining why it's happening. Yes, there are valid and constructive comparisons to be had, but I'm not surprised that after all this time people are just tired of hearing about W3. That's why some posts criticizing it have a tone of exasperation. I'm not saying it's deserved, and nor do I fully agree. But I understand why it happens. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I like both. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 23, 2017 16:44:42 GMT
I hope they up the quality of their character's eyes and eye animations. Shit is creepy as hell (in Me2, currently replaying it) and they look horrible. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 16:46:07 GMT
'Polish it up'? Haha, is that a euphemism for ... you know ... nudge nudge say no more ... erm ... probably not. There's not a lot of room for interpretation.
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Post by Cirvante on Jan 23, 2017 23:36:02 GMT
Moving this delightful conversation to the 'Facial Animations' thread... My OP wasn't even about the (admittedly terrible) facial animations. You should have merged the other thread into mine, since mine was clearly superior. Just be careful what you wish for by always bringing up The Witcher, next time we won't be able to choose the appearance of our character and not have any squad members due to people wanting the game to be more like The Witcher. We saw that with Skyrim and Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age 2 was a turd, but that's just hilariously false.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 24, 2017 5:03:28 GMT
Moving this delightful conversation to the 'Facial Animations' thread... My OP wasn't even about the (admittedly terrible) facial animations. You should have merged the other thread into mine, since mine was clearly superior. Just be careful what you wish for by always bringing up The Witcher, next time we won't be able to choose the appearance of our character and not have any squad members due to people wanting the game to be more like The Witcher. We saw that with Skyrim and Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age 2 was a turd, but that's just hilariously false. How is it false? People on the boards after Dragon Age 2 saying that they wanted an open world game similar to Skyrim and look at the mess Inquisition was with its open world.
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Post by slimgrin on Jan 24, 2017 5:12:12 GMT
With customizable face creator, I don't think facial animations can ever be as good as something made for one character.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 24, 2017 5:20:11 GMT
I agree and also disagree. I agree that it's great to have legit conversations about 2 of the best RPG franchises ever, Mass Effect is space adventure perfected and The Witcher 3 is an exemplary open world RPG which is more the direction of Andromeda, so of course comparisons between these titans are always going to be mentioned by people with deep love for excellent RPGs and ties to both. I disagree that it's more often than not a circlejerk: I think true passion for TW3 is often misconstrued as hate for ME, although there is some of that about (I admit the odd hater just jumps in, disses Shep and Co. with a TW3 comparison shitpost then leaves). Reacting for the sake of reacting (the mere mention of the ghastly word ' Witcher') shouldn't be a thing, although reacting to people shitting on ME and using TW3 as an innocent tool for said shitting should definitely be pounced upon with gusto: that's wack as fuck and deserves hate. This is a BioWare fan forum so people jumping in and saying that "this that and the other is shit in Mass Effect since it's not like The Witcher" aren't doing it right: constructive comparisons should be allowed without the equally annoying Anti-Geralt brigade jumping on a brother/sister. You're basically saying that any mention of the game deserves hate since some people (there are plenty not included in the all encompassing blanket group of 'people') feel Mass Effect is threatened by comparisons to a great game: when really, we know Mass Effect is just as great, and is an amazing gaming franchise that we love (that's why we're here, no?), and these comparisons shouldn't be able to shake our steadfast love for the ME Universe, but enhance it with great conversation in a cool community. Incendiary Ammo and Igni Signs both have delightful flames, no need for one to burn brighter. I'm not saying the overeactive backlash is rational. I'm just explaining why it's happening. And I just don't think the "Anti-Geralt" brigade (on this board) is as numerous or obnoxious as the W3 fanboys circlejerking absolutely everywhere else. I assume certain fans come here to escape the constant deriding comparisons, and to see it on their own forum can be annoying, which is also probably why you notice more negativity here. I should mention that in general, I'm not only thinking of MEA; the constant W3 namedropping against almost any game is practically a meme at this point. Yes, there are valid and constructive comparisons to be had, but I'm not surprised that after all this time people are just tired of hearing about W3. That's why some posts criticizing it have a tone of exasperation. I'm not saying it's deserved, and nor do I fully agree. But I understand why it happens. I have been to both sides, and this is true. A huge part of The Witcher fandom at the time was impossible, if you did a simples critique about the game mechanics or design, people would call you a biodrone or worse. At least here people seem more open to other opinions if they contain good arguments.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 24, 2017 5:28:08 GMT
Now we all know that Bioware has a really bad track record when it comes to producing good ingame animations. But what I've seen from the trailers so far was downright atrocious. What do you guys think? Do the animations bother you, or are your expectations already sufficiently low since it's a Bioware game? Snip but re-use and misuse of that very, very old library of movements they accumulated during the years of games development. Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
If you are referring to ME1-3, I agree.
However, for ME:A, the studio had no choice but to drop all their old animation libraries and mocap everything. Their old libraries are incompatible with the FB3 game engine. BTW, one of the early ME:A trailers shows a clip of such a capture (behind the scenes one?).
Movement animation, as shown so far, is excellent. Sarah' s facial animation is sub-par. Reminds me of Data's face when he smiled, as the good doctor was teaching him how to dance.... a frozen smile.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 24, 2017 5:35:25 GMT
My OP wasn't even about the (admittedly terrible) facial animations. You should have merged the other thread into mine, since mine was clearly superior. Dragon Age 2 was a turd, but that's just hilariously false. How is it false? People on the boards after Dragon Age 2 saying that they wanted an open world game similar to Skyrim and look at the mess Inquisition was with its open world. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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