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Post by Sanunes on Jan 24, 2017 5:40:21 GMT
How is it false? People on the boards after Dragon Age 2 saying that they wanted an open world game similar to Skyrim and look at the mess Inquisition was with its open world. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Despite some weaknesses, I thoroughly enjoyed DA2. Played it several times in fact and used the Nexus website to download new armours. The biggest change that I enjoyed was the auto-attack mechanic. It helped me immensely, when playing as a melee char.
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I am just meaning on the old BSN there were plenty of posts talking about how the franchise should take certain elements from Skyrim to "make it better", there were even some posts saying that BioWare should give the IP to Bethesda as well.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 24, 2017 5:43:54 GMT
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Despite some weaknesses, I thoroughly enjoyed DA2. Played it several times in fact and used the Nexus website to download new armours. The biggest change that I enjoyed was the auto-attack mechanic. It helped me immensely, when playing as a melee char.
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I am just meaning on the old BSN there were plenty of posts talking about how the franchise should take certain elements from Skyrim to "make it better", there were even some posts saying that BioWare should give the IP to Bethesda as well.There were? What sorcery is that?
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 24, 2017 6:11:31 GMT
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Despite some weaknesses, I thoroughly enjoyed DA2. Played it several times in fact and used the Nexus website to download new armours. The biggest change that I enjoyed was the auto-attack mechanic. It helped me immensely, when playing as a melee char.
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I am just meaning on the old BSN there were plenty of posts talking about how the franchise should take certain elements from Skyrim to "make it better", there were even some posts saying that BioWare should give the IP to Bethesda as well. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Aah.... got it. Yes, Bio went from one extreme to the other and filled the empty space with poorly designed fetch quests requiring lots of bunny hopping to get around.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 24, 2017 7:01:52 GMT
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I am just meaning on the old BSN there were plenty of posts talking about how the franchise should take certain elements from Skyrim to "make it better", there were even some posts saying that BioWare should give the IP to Bethesda as well.There were? What sorcery is that? I wish I could link/find them again to share, but they are now long gone.
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Post by Amirit on Jan 24, 2017 10:34:17 GMT
Snip but re-use and misuse of that very, very old library of movements they accumulated during the years of games development. Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
If you are referring to ME1-3, I agree.
However, for ME:A, the studio had no choice but to drop all their old animation libraries and mocap everything. Their old libraries are incompatible with the FB3 game engine. BTW, one of the early ME:A trailers shows a clip of such a capture (behind the scenes one?).
Movement animation, as shown so far, is excellent. Sarah' s facial animation is sub-par. Reminds me of Data's face when he smiled, as the good doctor was teaching him how to dance.... a frozen smile.
I wish it was the case! But did you play DAI? Do not tell me you did not recognize some moves they are caring from ME1 (if not from KOTOR). New things in DAI was created for new features - like horses (and it's easy to see how superior horse movements to practically everything else). I do not know how they do that, but animation in DAI remained the same as in previous games. Can not say it bothers me much (though male animation on female chars does) but old library is still there.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 24, 2017 11:54:32 GMT
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Despite some weaknesses, I thoroughly enjoyed DA2. Played it several times in fact and used the Nexus website to download new armours. The biggest change that I enjoyed was the auto-attack mechanic. It helped me immensely, when playing as a melee char.
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I always find that statement funny. Can one enjoy something for what it is not? I suppose it's just a matter of semantics... still, I find it quite amusing.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 24, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
I didn't mean to bash DA2, for I enjoyed it for what it was. I always find that statement funny. Can one enjoy something for what it is not? I suppose it's just a matter of semantics... still, I find it quite amusing. I think so, if a sequel doesn't have elements of the prior installment you can be happy it isn't a clone of the prior game to maximize profits. Such as I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 it didn't have the combat mechanics of Mass Effect 1, but they were still not the best part of the game.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 24, 2017 14:41:24 GMT
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If you are referring to ME1-3, I agree.
However, for ME:A, the studio had no choice but to drop all their old animation libraries and mocap everything. Their old libraries are incompatible with the FB3 game engine. BTW, one of the early ME:A trailers shows a clip of such a capture (behind the scenes one?).
Movement animation, as shown so far, is excellent. Sarah' s facial animation is sub-par. Reminds me of Data's face when he smiled, as the good doctor was teaching him how to dance.... a frozen smile.
I wish it was the case! But did you play DAI? Do not tell me you did not recognize some moves they are caring from ME1 (if not from KOTOR). New things in DAI was created for new features - like horses (and it's easy to see how superior horse movements to practically everything else). I do not know how they do that, but animation in DAI remained the same as in previous games. Can not say it bothers me much (though male animation on female chars does) but old library is still there. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I played DA:I. Yes, the animations were, err.... needed a lot of polishing. However, they did not use the old libraries.... two different engines.
Edmonton used computer generated animation whereas Montreal went all new with mocap tech. This decision puts them in the same league as other major AAA title competitions. DA4 will also use the shared libraries from various EA studios. Good bipedal animations are here to stay.
Facial animations? That's a horse of different colour. At the moment, it seems to be a manual process as seen in that behind the scenes trailer.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 24, 2017 15:01:21 GMT
My OP wasn't even about the (admittedly terrible) facial animations. You should have merged the other thread into mine, since mine was clearly superior. Dragon Age 2 was a turd, but that's just hilariously false. How is it false? People on the boards after Dragon Age 2 saying that they wanted an open world game similar to Skyrim and look at the mess Inquisition was with its open world. Since when was Dragon Age 2, Open World? You were in one city for like 3/4ths of the game. lol And you CAN choose your own appearance in Skyrim. However, if mass effect ever goes the way of not allowing me to customize my character... I'm out. This is one of the major reasons I don't like the witcher. I don't wanna play as some old, white-haired, ugly dude.
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 24, 2017 16:36:28 GMT
In what's been revealed so far, I haven't seen anything as bad as Anderson's infamous running animation in ME3. You mean his penguin shuffle after the reapers attacked at the beginning of ME3?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:43:52 GMT
In what's been revealed so far, I haven't seen anything as bad as Anderson's infamous running animation in ME3. You mean his penguin shuffle after the reapers attacked at the beginning of ME3? Yes; made funnier when he 'sprinted' -- like all other party members, because none of them had distinct sprinting animations, just the regular run animation played a little faster.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 24, 2017 18:53:02 GMT
How is it false? People on the boards after Dragon Age 2 saying that they wanted an open world game similar to Skyrim and look at the mess Inquisition was with its open world. Since when was Dragon Age 2, Open World? You were in one city for like 3/4ths of the game. lol And you CAN choose your own appearance in Skyrim. However, if mass effect ever goes the way of not allowing me to customize my character... I'm out. This is one of the major reasons I don't like the witcher. I don't wanna play as some old, white-haired, ugly dude. The comments I was making was after Dragon Age 2 and that it should have been open world like Skyim and the next Dragon Age game needed to be open world, which we got with Inquisition and we got all the faults of an open world game. I never said that you couldn't customize our character in Skyrim. That was in reference to all the comments about The Witcher 3 and how great a game that is and all that praise could mean we have a protagonist like Geralt.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 24, 2017 19:16:33 GMT
Since when was Dragon Age 2, Open World? You were in one city for like 3/4ths of the game. lol And you CAN choose your own appearance in Skyrim. However, if mass effect ever goes the way of not allowing me to customize my character... I'm out. This is one of the major reasons I don't like the witcher. I don't wanna play as some old, white-haired, ugly dude. The comments I was making was after Dragon Age 2 and that it should have been open world like Skyim and the next Dragon Age game needed to be open world, which we got with Inquisition and we got all the faults of an open world game. I never said that you couldn't customize our character in Skyrim. That was in reference to all the comments about The Witcher 3 and how great a game that is and all that praise could mean we have a protagonist like Geralt. My mistake. But I definitely prefer DAI over DA2. That game, was just... bleh. And my point still stands about that. Here's hoping Bioware never goes that route with ME.
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Post by Rico01 on Feb 26, 2017 13:33:43 GMT
It's not the animations per se for me, the dead eyes are worse.
Is it a deal breaker for me? Hell no. Would I like better animations and better eyes? Hell yes.
Meh.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 26, 2017 13:37:21 GMT
Hehe, funny...
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Post by daniel on Feb 26, 2017 13:47:48 GMT
I think its safe to say it's a work in progress and it will probably take a few more games before they get it right. Untill then this is what it is.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 26, 2017 13:50:17 GMT
If animation fidelity is very important to you Bioware are not the ones. They are not the ones.
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Post by kingjuly on Feb 26, 2017 13:53:38 GMT
The only thing I expect from them is to improve upon past games on a technology level, and they've done that. The animations look 'better' than Inquisition and previous ME games...not great, just better. Either way I'll get over it, it's not like it ruins the game for me and most of the time I become pretty blind to it after an hour or so.
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Post by azarhal on Feb 26, 2017 13:58:32 GMT
I think people should stop taking 2-3sec length scenes and slowing them down or use screenshots to claims the animations are bad.
You just have to look around the web to see real humans doing stuff just as funky/funny if you pull the screenshot/slowmo trigger at the right moment.
That scene of Sara with the gun, see Denzel Washington doing the same thing in the Equalizer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDkr55I64jc&feature=youtu.be&t=15).
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Post by 10k on Feb 26, 2017 14:12:58 GMT
I personally see no problems, I've seen worse animations in other games. Never had an issue with Sara facial animations either. Animations are loads better in Andromeda compared to their older games imo.
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