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Post by pdusen on Feb 26, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
I came to read a fearmongering thread, but instead I find the replies full of common sense.
BSN, you've disappointed me.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 26, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
The animations are really bad, bioware is being left in the dust by the rest of the industry. The cartoony style they have for it doesn't help matters. You have the soul less eyes of the characters and the awkward, goofy animations and it's too much.
If this wasn't a game that relayed on cinematics, you could easily ignore it.
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Post by pdusen on Feb 26, 2017 14:23:53 GMT
The animations are really bad, bioware is being left in the dust by the rest of the industry. The cartoony style they have for it doesn't help matters. You have the soul less eyes of the characters and the awkward, goofy animations and it's too much. If this wasn't a game that relayed on cinematics, you could easily ignore it. Whelp, I spoke too soon.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 26, 2017 14:26:28 GMT
ME3 had clunky moments and the animations way often felt "animatronic" in comparision with ME2. However, once you get use to it the first half hour, it's fine with great visual moments. I see an improvement with ME3 and hopefully it will have better animations than DAI. But I don't see the point of comparing Bioware's animations with other companies. It's like to expect Telltalegames to have a variety of resolutions ala Mass Effect 3 or asking them to have the animations quality of Naughty Dog. Telltale is not aimed to do that. The same goes to Bioware.
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Post by manofsteel on Feb 26, 2017 14:29:06 GMT
Alas. Animations have never been BioWare's forte. But as long as they're better than Mass Effect 3, which it looks like they are, I'll be content.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 26, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
The animations are really bad, bioware is being left in the dust by the rest of the industry. The cartoony style they have for it doesn't help matters. You have the soul less eyes of the characters and the awkward, goofy animations and it's too much. If this wasn't a game that relayed on cinematics, you could easily ignore it. Whelp, I spoke too soon. Sorry, I wasn't aware we couldn't be critical of BioWare here. My bad. Hey guys, I don't see anything wrong with the game? lol It's BioWare, who cares! Is that better for you?
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Post by Garo on Feb 26, 2017 14:33:57 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't aware we couldn't be critical of BioWare here. My bad. Hey guys, I don't see anything wrong with the game? lol It's BioWare, who cares! Is that better for you? Yea, I mean we should be able to have opinions, that's what this forum is for. Tho I got to say I like how most of you are so chill about it xD Makes me feel better just to read those haha
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Post by daniel on Feb 26, 2017 14:36:37 GMT
To be honest I'm more worried about the hair styles. Omg those previous games had some bad unflattering haircuts
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 26, 2017 14:37:22 GMT
No one cares about people who just want to whine and complain about early pre-release footage.
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Post by noviere on Feb 26, 2017 14:39:05 GMT
The animations are really bad, bioware is being left in the dust by the rest of the industry. The cartoony style they have for it doesn't help matters. You have the soul less eyes of the characters and the awkward, goofy animations and it's too much. If this wasn't a game that relayed on cinematics, you could easily ignore it. Playing all of Bioware's previous games must've been rough, huh?
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Post by Vall on Feb 26, 2017 14:43:47 GMT
To be honest I'm more worried about the hair styles. Omg those previous games had some bad unflattering haircuts At least ponytails finally look like they don't have a brick stuck between hair and head.
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Post by pdusen on Feb 26, 2017 14:51:56 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't aware we couldn't be critical of BioWare here. My bad. Hey guys, I don't see anything wrong with the game? lol It's BioWare, who cares! Is that better for you? I always love this response. "Oh, so I'm not allowed to have a negative opinion?" It's elegant because it has nothing to do with what anyone said to you but somehow makes whoever disagreed with you look like the bad guy, so all of the pressure to form a logical argument is off of you. It's genius, really. Newsflash: Not all opinions are valid just because they exist. When your opinion is misinformed or illogical, expect to be called out on it.
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Post by Garo on Feb 26, 2017 14:54:48 GMT
I think it's hilarious that people are worried about animations. Have you ever played a Bioware game before? Of course Andromeda is going to be filled with awkward/bad animations. It's foolish to think otherwise IMO. Is this a good argument tho? "All the past games had horrible animations, so this will too", like no, what? It's not how this *should* work. I'm all about Mass Effect but we shouldn't just shrug at every bad thing about this game with "Oh well it's BioWare what do you expect?". I expect improvement in every way. And it doesn't matter if it's BioWare, Bethesda or CDPR making the game.
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Post by kumazan on Feb 26, 2017 14:56:24 GMT
BioWare's has never been stellar with their animations, so while I think (and would like to) they should improve on this, this is hardly a deal breaker for me. And certainly, if the worse about ME:A are those average animations, then that's great news, as far as I'm concerned.
But, I'll repeat myself here, I don't understand that they're sharing an engine with a ton other studios, and they get help from the NFS team for the Nomad and from the PGA, or whatever the damned golf games are called, team for the grass (Inquisition's was good enough), and yet they can't up their animation game. Surely there should be someone at EA with better experience on this?
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 26, 2017 15:01:52 GMT
*cough*
A wide range of views are welcome here, so long as the arguments are thrashed, not the other posters.
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Post by Amirit on Feb 26, 2017 15:12:28 GMT
Well, let me add a bit more fuel My favorite handshake in DAI as a perfect example of BW animation style! (42:18 if time-stamp did not work)
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2017 15:16:53 GMT
The animations are really bad, bioware is being left in the dust by the rest of the industry. The cartoony style they have for it doesn't help matters. You have the soul less eyes of the characters and the awkward, goofy animations and it's too much. If this wasn't a game that relayed on cinematics, you could easily ignore it. I've never seen the cartoony style of their general character aesthetic to actually be a negative, but the issue with the eyes is a different matter entirely, since cartoony characters can have far more life in their faces than any video game character.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 26, 2017 15:22:35 GMT
I don't mind if it's similar to DAI. Sure, there are some really horrible scenes (saving the elf in Halamshiral...), but overall it wasn't too distracting or uncanny.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 26, 2017 15:30:32 GMT
This is what BioWare will be compared to in relation to their animation:
This is the future of cinematic gaming, which BioWare is part of with both ME and DA. They'll (critics and general masses) only look at past tittles to compare any improvement made in ME:A.
Does ME:A impress? Judging by the reaction we see every where but in the most fervent BioWare defender, no, it doesn't.
I don't think the punch animation is bad, for ex, it doesn't matter that it won't connect because it'll happen so fast we won't be able to detect it unless we pause or play it in slow motion. The awkwardness of the other animations is inevitable, though. Take Peebee/Scott scene, it's awkward, it has obvious cuts as if the scene is composed of tiny movements fused together, but it doesn't flow organically as one, they are stiff. So, jump on him --> cut to his face, hello darkness my old friend -> cut to peebee, mem'd head tilt.
Just my misinformed and illogical opinion.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 26, 2017 15:31:26 GMT
I don't mind if it's similar to DAI. Sure, there are some really horrible scenes (saving the elf in Halamshiral...), but overall it wasn't too distracting or uncanny. The one that always put me off is the walking animations in cutscenes. How people will just spread their legs wide and walk like they were avoiding a rock in the middle of the way. That's the issue with Bioware. You don't have to have perfect animations, but make the ones that matter the most at least good.
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Post by hotdogbsg on Feb 26, 2017 15:34:01 GMT
I've never really held animation against Bioware. Yes, there's a few clunky looking bits here and there but never enough to pull me from the game. If Andromeda manages a similar level of quality from what I've come to expect, I'll be satisfied.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 26, 2017 19:48:52 GMT
This is what BioWare will be compared to in relation to their animation: This is the future of cinematic gaming, which BioWare is part of with both ME and DA. They'll (critics and general masses) only look at past tittles to compare any improvement made in ME:A. Does ME:A impress? Judging by the reaction we see every where but in the most fervent BioWare defender, no, it doesn't. I don't think the punch animation is bad, for ex, it doesn't matter that it won't connect because it'll happen so fast we won't be able to detect it unless we pause or play it in slow motion. The awkwardness of the other animations is inevitable, though. Take Peebee/Scott scene, it's awkward, it has obvious cuts as if the scene is composed of tiny movements fused together, but it doesn't flow organically as one, they are stiff. So, jump on him --> cut to his face, hello darkness my old friend -> cut to peebee, mem'd head tilt. Just my misinformed and illogical opinion. Is is a single character game with very limited RPG elements including a linear story and limited dialogue opportunities (Tomb Raider) really the best comparison to BioWare games? I will never understand why people compare it to Witcher either but I'm not going to tug that cord right now. Context is important when making comparisons, so yes it is illogical. Are people really serious about wanting high quality hair physics? Ignoring the fact that you cover your hair half the time, do you really think most players will be able to handle that when it's a fast-paced shooter RPG and you have 2 other companions? In any case there's at least some physics so there's a middle ground here. Don't compare it to Tomb Raider when it's a design choice with a vastly different opportunity cost.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 26, 2017 19:49:34 GMT
lololol it looked good on male Shepard but I never saw it on female. This is hilarious.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 26, 2017 20:34:12 GMT
Insert feminist defense about how men and women are equal and that women should be specially treated but if you overdo their animations it becomes offensive anyway so nothing is ever good enough.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 26, 2017 21:01:43 GMT
I think if Bioware wants to have some of the best faces and facial animations in the industry, they'd probably have to cut a lot of corners in terms of budget, when you consider how much cutscenes and dialogue is in the game. Cutting corners would probably mean cutting content. Add to that, you've got the Protagonist, who's face can be fully customized by the player. So there's definitely some real obstacles to get around. Given the circumstances, I'm not bothered at all by the faces. I do think people are exaggerating on how bad they are though. I mean the Sims 3 comparison was kinda harsh, they're not THAT bad.
Also if an 8-bit game like Undertale can make me feel, then I can get over the average looking animations and faces.
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