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Post by darcon on Mar 9, 2017 17:16:01 GMT
Basicly a moral busy body who gets offended for you even if your not and if you don't agree with them then your a problem. So by this definition, SJW isn't exclusive to the Left Wing Authoritarians. Indeed but usally there is a different word for it (not sure what it was) but now its gotten to the point where the ones preachy now about how bad games are, are preachy about the same things the 'right' did years and years ago, things like how sex/looking sexy in video games are bad and causing people to do bad things, oh and don't forget everyone favorite violent video games will train you to shoot real guns and make you into a mass murderer or train you into a mindless drone for the military
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 9, 2017 17:17:52 GMT
Well great science fiction has always been about shining a light on & holding up a mirror to the current issues and the zeitgeist of current society and culture. And reflecting on it, subverting it, questioning it, daring to ask "what if" etc... and thus if Andomeda is great sc-fi(which is yet to be seen) then so called "SJW"(whatver that actually means at this point) themes are bound to feature in some sense as that is all to relevant to our reality right now. Now personally i dont mind social commentery, what i hate is when its hit you over the head, overly preachy, hamfisted social commentery devoid of nuance thats been cobbled together by some hack writer. Hate that, that is not good science fiction. Really the make or break for me is will Andromeda be more of the former and not the latter?. I hope its the former. I hope the game avoids the preachy, hamfisted approach.
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Post by olforn on Mar 9, 2017 17:18:46 GMT
Hopefully not, they are the worst...
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 9, 2017 17:21:48 GMT
Well great science fiction has always been about shining a light on & holding up a mirror to the current issues and the zeitgeist of current society and culture. And reflecting on it, subverting it, questioning it, daring to ask "what if" etc... and thus so called "SJW"(whatver that actually means at this point) themes are bound to feature in some sense as that is all to relevant to our reality right now. Now personally i dont mind social commentery, what i hate is when its hit you over the head, overly preachy, hamfisted social commentery devoid of nuance thats been cobbled together by some hack writer. Hate that, that is not good science fiction. Really the make or break for me is... will Anromeda be more of the former and not the latter?. I hope its the former. Most of us do... every time... yea, not very clever, I know.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 9, 2017 17:23:59 GMT
Hopefully, I enjoyed the tears of ignorant bigots. Just because someone disagree's with you, doesn't mean that they're ignorant bigots. I'm a Woman....and while I 100% agree that Women deserve equal pay, IF they're as capable of doing the same job as a Man is, I don't believe Women are better or lesser. And I absolutely oppose the modern day 'Feminists' as nothing more than hate filled wenches who'd be better off doing something contructive with their time, instead of stripping off at every opportunity for some silly cause which wasn't even an issue until they made it one. Does this make me a bigot? I don't think so. I simply have a different view of things.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 9, 2017 17:27:51 GMT
As non-native english speaker, I had to search in the past what the heck SJW meant, an useless concept invented by people with an itch when women/nonwhite/lgbtq persons are represented, amarite?
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Post by xan84 on Mar 9, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
Well considering BW are full of SJWs and even hires racists developers like Manveer Heir ME A is probably going to have that stuff. Still got the game but... What can you do... And by SJW I mean people who put shit like this in games:
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Post by aionis on Mar 9, 2017 17:29:28 GMT
Hopefully, I enjoyed the tears of ignorant bigots. Just because someone disagree's with you, doesn't mean that they're ignorant bigots. I'm a Woman....and while I 100% agree that Women deserve equal pay, IF they're as capable of doing the same job as a Man is, I don't believe Women are better or lesser. And I absolutely oppose the modern day 'Feminists' as nothing more than hate filled wenches who'd be better off doing something contructive with their time, instead of stripping off at every opportunity for some silly cause which wasn't even an issue until they made it one. Does this make me a bigot? I don't think so. I simply have a different view of things. ??? Where in the world did I even quote you and call you an ignorant bigot? And you don't even know the context of 'ignorant bigot' I was meaning. Most of the complaints I seen in DA:I and why people called it a SJW game is because it had a gay and trans character. All greatly written. And I call them ignorant bigots because they lowkey just don't wanna see gay or trans people and act like they don't exist. They call every gay or trans character a "propaganda puppet!", It's like we can't just have LGBT characters in a game just to have them like we do straight cis characters. AND YES, that makes them IGNORANT. BIGOTS. I said nothing about feminists or womens this or that. Feel free to have whatever view you want though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 17:31:53 GMT
Well considering BW are full of SJWs and even hires racists developers like Manveer Heir ME A is probably going to have that stuff. Still got the game but... What can you do... And by SJW I mean people who put shit like this in games: New member posted this, how weird. What is wrong with this video in particular? Also there is a rumor that Heir got fired, i hope he did.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 9, 2017 17:33:26 GMT
So I have seen a lot of posts complaining about "muh sjws". While I find these complaints to often be as whiny as those they are complaining about, I would like to know whether this is a vocal minority or not. I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest they all come across as a bit of a low-rent Dutch. At least try and be clever with your trolling, this one is too obvious. Would you call him "Dutch light"? No? Ok, I leave through the door.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 9, 2017 17:35:56 GMT
Just because someone disagree's with you, doesn't mean that they're ignorant bigots. I'm a Woman....and while I 100% agree that Women deserve equal pay, IF they're as capable of doing the same job as a Man is, I don't believe Women are better or lesser. And I absolutely oppose the modern day 'Feminists' as nothing more than hate filled wenches who'd be better off doing something contructive with their time, instead of stripping off at every opportunity for some silly cause which wasn't even an issue until they made it one. Does this make me a bigot? I don't think so. I simply have a different view of things. ??? Where in the world did I even quote you and call you an ignorant bigot? And you don't even know the context of 'ignorant bigot' I was meaning. Most of the complaints I seen in DA:I and why people called it a SJW is because it had a gay and trans character. All greatly written. And I call them ignorant bigots because they lowkey just don't wanna see gay or trans people and act like they don't exist. AND YES, that makes them IGNORANT. BIGOTS. I said nothing about feminists or womens this or that. Feel free to have whatever view you want though. I was countering your view, which is what people do on a discussion forum. But, I can see you aren't mature enough to take other peoples views on board when they don't conform to your own (The Irony) So I'll be off. Toodaloo.
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Post by midasear on Mar 9, 2017 17:36:48 GMT
So I have seen a lot of posts complaining about "muh sjws". While I find these complaints to often be as whiny as those they are complaining about, I would like to know whether this is a vocal minority or not. I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest they all come across as a bit of a low-rent Dutch. At least try and be clever with your trolling, this one is too obvious. Obvious is an understatement. The OP has Pepe the Frog as an avatar. I voted 'Yes' more as a hope than an expectation. As near as I can tell, the term 'SJW narrative' means 'includes numerous female characters who do not look like High School cheerleaders on a Disney Channel show and act like Playboy models at a Hollywood party trying to land a film role' and/or 'seems to endorse concepts 3rd year Women's Studies majors accept as gospel but that fill my reactionary mind with a blinding rage.' I'd prefer the former, and could care less about the latter.
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Post by xan84 on Mar 9, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
Well considering BW are full of SJWs and even hires racists developers like Manveer Heir ME A is probably going to have that stuff. Still got the game but... What can you do... And by SJW I mean people who put shit like this in games: New member posted this, how weird. What is wrong with this video in particular? Also there is a rumor that Heir got fired, i hope he did. What exactly is you point about me being new? I got the DA A and considering BW's forums are history I created a account here. Now what's wrong with that video? The same thing that its wrong with this one(and I don't mean what Mark Dice is saying):
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Post by aionis on Mar 9, 2017 17:38:38 GMT
??? Where in the world did I even quote you and call you an ignorant bigot? And you don't even know the context of 'ignorant bigot' I was meaning. Most of the complaints I seen in DA:I and why people called it a SJW is because it had a gay and trans character. All greatly written. And I call them ignorant bigots because they lowkey just don't wanna see gay or trans people and act like they don't exist. AND YES, that makes them IGNORANT. BIGOTS. I said nothing about feminists or womens this or that. Feel free to have whatever view you want though. I was countering your view, which is what people do on a discussion forum. But, I can see you aren't mature enough to take other peoples views on board when they don't conform to your own (The Irony) So I'll be off. Toodaloo. Are you being serious? You countered and I responded, I didn't personally attack you or anything so calling me immature seems contradictory to what you're trying to preach, but irony right? 'toodaloo'.
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Post by darcon on Mar 9, 2017 17:39:46 GMT
As non-native english speaker, I had to search in the past what the heck SJW meant, an useless concept invented by people with an itch when women/nonwhite/lgbtq persons are represented, amarite? nope, it used for when people are hamfisting issues to you and beating you over the head with preachy propaganda where the reality is that people don't care so long as the game is good and not horribly made or written.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 9, 2017 17:41:52 GMT
Well considering BW are full of SJWs and even hires racists developers like Manveer Heir ME A is probably going to have that stuff. Still got the game but... What can you do... And by SJW I mean people who put shit like this in games: New member posted this, how weird. What is wrong with this video in particular? Also there is a rumor that Heir got fired, i hope he did. Probably an account created by a member here to make it look like someone other than themselves has an issue with this.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 9, 2017 17:42:57 GMT
I was countering your view, which is what people do on a discussion forum. But, I can see you aren't mature enough to take other peoples views on board when they don't conform to your own (The Irony) So I'll be off. Toodaloo. Are you being serious? You countered and I responded, I didn't personally attack you or anything so calling me immature seems contradictory to what you're trying to preach but okay. 'toodaloo'. No where did I attack you either, I was trying to make conversation in a DISCUSSION THREAD. But please carry on making an argument out of things I never wrote. Again, I see you dislike anyone disagreeing with your view that people are bigots for disagreeing with you, and leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 17:44:02 GMT
What exactly is you point about me being new? I got the DA A and considering BW's forums are history I created a account here. Now what's wrong with that video? The same thing that its wrong with this one(and I don't mean what Mark Dice is saying): About the new member? Often when threads like this pop up there tends to be a few new people that make their first post in them aka trolls. Not implying you are one, but could've been. Is there a version of the commercial without that guy going on and on? Too many jump cuts in his ranting, makes me exhausted. Ok i watched the commercial without the man baby, and what does it have to do with DA:I? The clip from Dragon Age is about a person finding themself and the consequences of that. The other is Audi saying they believe the wage gap is real (lol).
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 9, 2017 17:44:06 GMT
As non-native english speaker, I had to search in the past what the heck SJW meant, an useless concept invented by people with an itch when women/nonwhite/lgbtq persons are represented, amarite? nope, it used for when people are hamfisting issues to you and beating you over the head with preachy propaganda where the reality is that people don't care so long as the game is good and not horribly made or written. LOL preachy propaganda I shouldn't have written in this thread, I'm too old for this
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Post by Morrigan on Mar 9, 2017 17:44:24 GMT
New member posted this, how weird. What is wrong with this video in particular? Also there is a rumor that Heir got fired, i hope he did. What exactly is you point about me being new? I got the DA A and considering BW's forums are history I created a account here. Now what's wrong with that video? The same thing that its wrong with this one(and I don't mean what Mark Dice is saying): I stand with the servants of Satan, Lady Gaga and Bioware. Fuck you, Mark Dice, whoever you are. Why do you speak so loud?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 9, 2017 17:45:24 GMT
I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest they all come across as a bit of a low-rent Dutch. At least try and be clever with your trolling, this one is too obvious. Would you call him "Dutch light"? No? Ok, I leave through the door. Diet Dutch sounds better, but I've always been a sucker for alliterative phrases.
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Post by aionis on Mar 9, 2017 17:47:05 GMT
Are you being serious? You countered and I responded, I didn't personally attack you or anything so calling me immature seems contradictory to what you're trying to preach but okay. 'toodaloo'. No where did I attack you either, I was trying to make conversation in a DISCUSSION THREAD. And where did I END THE DISCUSSION? It seems you were just upset at my viewpoint on the subject matter, got mad and wrote me off as 'unable to see other peoples opinions'. You turned the exchange into something completely unnecessary. My viewpoint is based off of MY experience dealing with homophobia so yeah, some people yelling SJW! SJW! are homophobes or unable to understand the significance of queer representation, or both and I only say this from personal experiences.
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Post by leadintea on Mar 9, 2017 17:47:50 GMT
Undoubtedly so, but speaking as a black, gay man, I welcome a lot of inclusivity and diversity in media. That said, I don't want them to go full ham and overly preachy like they did in DAI with Krem's and Dorian's story. I also don't want them to tip toe around issues like racism, homophobia, or sexism just to avoid offending or "triggering" people. They also shouldn't be afraid of adding in brothels, strip clubs, or "sexy women" as party members like Miranda, Morrigan, or Isabella in their games just to avoid a controversy with radical feminists. Basically, I don't mind it if they have inclusive characters and stories as long as they don't preach to me about them or avoid showing things that some people might make a stink about. I like to see things like women in high positions, gay characters in general, and interracial relationships treated as mundane, but I'm also not averse to seeing a PoC as a complete scumbag, an allusion to rape and torture, or a bar with topless women pole dancing for the patrons. In short, as long as Bioware avoids a DAI situation or listening to their rabid SJW fanbase, I'll probably be good with their narratives.
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Post by darcon on Mar 9, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
nope, it used for when people are hamfisting issues to you and beating you over the head with preachy propaganda where the reality is that people don't care so long as the game is good and not horribly made or written. LOL preachy propaganda I shouldn't have written in this thread, I'm too old for this People don't like it but that is sadly the time we live in, we used to be able to just enjoy games but now everyone from all sides are looking at things with magnifying glasses and everyone else just wants to play a game.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 9, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
No where did I attack you either, I was trying to make conversation in a DISCUSSION THREAD. And where did I END THE DISCUSSION? It seems you were just upset at my viewpoint on the subject matter, got mad and wrote me off as 'unable to see other peoples opinions'. You turned the exchange into something completely unnecessary. My viewpoint is based off of MY experience dealing with homophobia so yeah, some people yelling SJW! SJW! are homophobes or unable to understand the significance of queer representation, or both and I only say this from personal experiences. Actually, I didn't get mad. I was simply saying that, people CAN disagree with you and not be bigots. That is it. It was you who decided to go on the offencive...WHICH I've learned over the last 35 years of my life, is something anti-bigotry people often do when they come across someone who is neither a bigot nor an anti-bigot. It's all or nothing with people who hold such views.......You are either with them or againest them. And by picking a fight where there was non, you proved me right. But, I like this forum and I'm not going to argue about it. Have a nice day.
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