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Post by fidothegran on Mar 9, 2017 15:46:13 GMT
So I have seen a lot of posts complaining about "muh sjws". While I find these complaints to often be as whiny as those they are complaining about, I would like to know whether this is a vocal minority or not.
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Post by SilJeff on Mar 9, 2017 15:47:42 GMT
SJW is a term that is thrown around so much now that it has lost all meaning
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Post by GalentheYounger on Mar 9, 2017 15:49:37 GMT
I'm gonna go call the fish because this thread gives me a "bait alert" vibe.
If you don't like the ideology of the game, don't buy it. Also, SJW is basically used to describe anything featuring women / minorities, so I'm not even gonna address that.
Have a good day.
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Post by luke on Mar 9, 2017 15:50:30 GMT
I've seen a bunch of complaints about "SJWs" in Mass Effect but not a single cohesive argument explaining why.
I hate the term SJW tbh, it's childish and vague. I've only ever seen it used by ignorant people in a childish manner.
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Post by colejj on Mar 9, 2017 15:51:02 GMT
Who cares?
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Post by rcgrimshaw on Mar 9, 2017 15:51:34 GMT
Oh great, I get to dust off this video.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 9, 2017 15:51:37 GMT
What is "SJW narratives"? I don't follow all the new terms and stuff hipp people use. Anyway, it sounds like a boring term so I will say "no".
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Post by empirex on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:17 GMT
*backs away slowly*
*comes back with popcorn*
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Post by fulcrum290 on Mar 9, 2017 15:53:34 GMT
anti-SJWs can be annoying as SJW, are as easily triggered too.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 9, 2017 15:54:18 GMT
"Full of them"? No, I doubt it... but I also doubt BW can help themselves, so there will at least be something there... even if it's just cringy slam poetry from a Quarian, about how oppressed she is by her own immune system, or some such BS. ...actually, forget it, that could be quite a clever piece of satire.
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Post by blanks on Mar 9, 2017 15:56:11 GMT
I sure hope so. Means it would have taken a lot of inspiration from classic and cult science fiction like Star Trek and Babylon 5. Like Mass Effect 1.
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Post by hotdogbsg on Mar 9, 2017 15:57:04 GMT
Here we go
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Post by Mythgar on Mar 9, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
It's entirely subjective. Ultimately, a game dev makes the game they want to make, and what people take out of that narrative is entirely up to them. If they want to see a narrative that is pushing some political message/agenda on them, then they can go right ahead. Personally, I think people who see "SJW narratives" in everything are pretty paranoid, and I prefer to just enjoy the story in front of me without digging for some hidden message, but to each their own.
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Post by fulcrum290 on Mar 9, 2017 15:57:45 GMT
LOL, 3D polygon waifu doesn't look enough, must be SJW
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 9, 2017 15:57:53 GMT
I sure hope so. Means it would have taken a lot of inspiration from classic and cult science fiction like Star Trek and Babylon 5. Like Mass Effect 1. True, however, those shows did at least not preach about the same stuff all the time... they had nuance... and good actors/writing.
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Post by hotdogbsg on Mar 9, 2017 16:00:19 GMT
A woman? In a position of power?
I will not have it by god!
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Post by luke on Mar 9, 2017 16:05:42 GMT
A woman? In a position of power? I will not have it by god! There was literally a thread complaining about this the other day, claiming that Bioware were perpetuating some kind of agenda...
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Post by bshep on Mar 9, 2017 16:06:38 GMT
WTH is this? Youtube?
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Post by vonuber on Mar 9, 2017 16:12:15 GMT
So I have seen a lot of posts complaining about "muh sjws". While I find these complaints to often be as whiny as those they are complaining about, I would like to know whether this is a vocal minority or not. I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest they all come across as a bit of a low-rent Dutch. At least try and be clever with your trolling, this one is too obvious.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 9, 2017 16:16:09 GMT
Imma take this seriously. Yes and no, and that's not necessarily a good or a bad thing, for that matter. Do understand that Bioware is situated in Montreal Canada (right where I live for that matter) and a lot of social issues are at the forefront. When it comes to the lack of female representation in mass media (never mind video games, just consider film, tv, theatre, etc), when it comes to the erasure of non-white characters, when it comes to heteronormalizing a narrative -- yes, these are issues that Bioware addresses as best they can then. And this is not even relatively new! Bioware has provided diversity even from the beginning, a proud characteristic, if I say so myself as a gay, male, poc immigrant living in Canada. Does Bioware get everything done correctly even to the taste of this so-called SJW? No. Ha, no. People keep complaining about the inclusion of Krem, Dorian, and Sera's gender identities and sexualities -- but Bioware has faced criticism for Cole's romance in Trespasser from the Ace and Aro communities who saw Cole as good representation. Bioware is doing the best that it can. It is 2017, after all. As all art, video games reflect current sentiments, and our current sentiments lean towards inclusiveness and protection and, even, protest. Will conservatives be happy? Hell, no. There's too much gay stuff, women stuff, I just want guns and big tits, bla-bla. Will SJS's be happy? Are they ever happy? There will probably be some complaint about the lack of intersex or non-binary PCs, etc. TLDR: In a nutshell, it is what it is. It's a Canadian video game company, it will show the temperament of Canadian liberalism.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 9, 2017 16:18:01 GMT
It depends on what you mean by "SJW". If you mean real-world themes concerning sexuality, ethnicity, nationalism, prejudice, etc, then yes. I believe the games will have these themes, because they are part of reality. There's no reason these real-world issues should not also be included in the game.
If by "SJW" you mean forcing the PC to partake in Homosexual activities or people saying "Kill Whitey! White people are the problem with the world!", etc, then no. This will not be included because Bioware is not that dumb and have NEVER done anything like that.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Mar 9, 2017 16:18:25 GMT
Yes! Narratives of exploring a universe and kicking the shit out of countless and diverse alien species. Classic SJW.
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Post by hotdogbsg on Mar 9, 2017 16:22:16 GMT
Yes! Narratives of exploring a universe and kicking the shit out of countless and diverse alien species. Classic SJW.
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