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Post by cloud9 on Oct 21, 2016 18:50:28 GMT
I'm not here to judge if that's what you mean it's simply observation, and hey a woman has desires like everyone else. No, that's not what I mean. Your last posts says otherwise but I digress. The writers did made Jacob just an eye candy and not a man not really, now Ubisoft they did an outstanding job of making black men with good qualities of their personality and they represent manhood especially on Assassin's Creed.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 21, 2016 20:37:21 GMT
No, that's not what I mean. Your last posts says otherwise but I digress. The writers did made Jacob just an eye candy and not a man not really, now Ubisoft they did an outstanding job of making black men with good qualities of their personality and they represent manhood especially on Assassin's Creed. Again, in gaming playthroughs don't match personal preference. I have no personal interest in Jacob beyond a storytelling match to that pure renegade Shepard's personality. There is a difference if you've paid attention to how other people have done different choices and different romances because it fit that player character. If Jacob was really eye candy,he should have been racking up popularity but surprise, surprise, women also like the personality as well. And if they're being forced to act like hussies just for talking to him, no one wants to go further.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 27, 2016 9:16:48 GMT
Your last posts says otherwise but I digress. The writers did made Jacob just an eye candy and not a man not really, now Ubisoft they did an outstanding job of making black men with good qualities of their personality and they represent manhood especially on Assassin's Creed. Again, in gaming playthroughs don't match personal preference. I have no personal interest in Jacob beyond a storytelling match to that pure renegade Shepard's personality. There is a difference if you've paid attention to how other people have done different choices and different romances because it fit that player character. If Jacob was really eye candy,he should have been racking up popularity but surprise, surprise, women also like the personality as well. And if they're being forced to act like hussies just for talking to him, no one wants to go further.That's because you don't know about "the game" and Jacob is all about game he plays around with Shepard and dumps her, and another thing after you romanced him he don't want to have nothing to do with you, didn't come to visit, no calls, no nothing. "Wham! Bam! Thank you ma'am." is his motto.
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Post by Gilsa on Dec 10, 2016 7:47:08 GMT
I've been away from the official forums and the ME universe for a good long time so I had popped in this thread hoping that maybe there was some news of why Jacob was written the way he was in ME3.  I romanced all the male characters in ME2. Jacob was my favorite of the bunch because he had boundaries, didn't need to be babied, and there was a lot of dialogue. I remember checking on Jacob at various intervals and noticing there was a progression in the way he greeted her, depending on their relationship level. Garrus seemed super brief in comparison, I remember that much. (Garrus was great, too, just being clear on that. I am talking about the content they seemed to offer.) Jacob was such a well-defined character that there was a huge disconnect from his doppleganger in ME3. I didn't feel betrayed by his character because it simply wasn't him at all. I knew that his ME2 writer wasn't on the ME3 team. I got the distinct impression the replacement writer was either rushed for time or forgot he was a romance until the last minute maybe. His story worked great on a platonic playthrough so the romanced version seemed like "Wait, he's a romance option? But we already wrote the story for him. Well, we're gonna have to shoehorn a few lines in and keep the outcome the same. Nothing we can do." Jacob's loyalty mission was my least favorite though. I didn't like that Shepard had to choose the outcome on what to do with his dad. The other characters like Mordin, Miranda, and Garrus were making obvious choices in what they wanted to do. Shepard could intervene, sure, but those characters were still making their own decisions. It was just up in the air with Jacob. I would have rather he made his own decision and Shepard would either respect that or speak up. It was HIS DAD. Wow. You know?
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Post by D4rKz on Dec 10, 2016 11:08:00 GMT
Well, I feel how they handled the Jacob romance in ME3 was a bit of a jerk move, as you got instantly "wtf'd" when you hear he has someone else, while ME3 only takes a few months (?) place after the end of ME2. That didn't make much sense to me.
Pretty sure there are people who like Jacob, and they did not deserve that poorly written romance in ME3.
From all the party members, Jacob was the one I almost never took with me in my squad. Personally, he has little content and was too boring for me. At the end of the game, I didn't see much character development from him.
Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.
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Post by seracen on Dec 10, 2016 18:52:08 GMT
Unfortunately, BW committed the one mistake with Jacob that no character is allowed to make...being boring. Yes, he was a good guy, reliable, etc, but he was boring. His romance, therefore, comes across as parody, whereas Garrus' attempts at romance were endearingly dorky (even though the content/approach itself may have been the same). Arguably, that's also why Kai Leng failed so hard as a believable villain. Conversely, Saren had the whole interspecies war between humans and turians as the backdrop for his motivations, and was set up from the start in a more interesting manner.
In Jacob's case, the most interesting bit of content he had revolved around his loyalty mission, but they didn't play around with enough of his emotions for it to be meaningful. Kaidan sort of had the same problem, but he actually benefits from the contention against Shep after hiss/her return from death (Ashley, on the other hand, is a whole other discussion). It's sad really, but the way all the ME2 characters were handled was sad, by the time ME3 rolled around. One could make the case that Miranda and Thane got a better time of it (and MAYBE Jack), but Jacob really suffered, moreso if romanced (and don't get me started on what THAT does to his character...jeebus).
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 13, 2016 9:06:25 GMT
Well, I feel how they handled the Jacob romance in ME3 was a bit of a jerk move, as you got instantly "wtf'd" when you hear he has someone else, while ME3 only takes a few months (?) place after the end of ME2. That didn't make much sense to me.
Pretty sure there are people who like Jacob, and they did not deserve that poorly written romance in ME3.
From all the party members, Jacob was the one I almost never took with me in my squad. Personally, he has little content and was too boring for me. At the end of the game, I didn't see much character development from him.
Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around. Blame it on BioWare.
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Post by Lavochkin on Dec 16, 2016 4:47:22 GMT
Well, I feel how they handled the Jacob romance in ME3 was a bit of a jerk move, as you got instantly "wtf'd" when you hear he has someone else, while ME3 only takes a few months (?) place after the end of ME2. That didn't make much sense to me.
Pretty sure there are people who like Jacob, and they did not deserve that poorly written romance in ME3.
From all the party members, Jacob was the one I almost never took with me in my squad. Personally, he has little content and was too boring for me. At the end of the game, I didn't see much character development from him.
Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around. Blame it on BioWare. Yeah, it's a case of cut corners due to him being unpopular, not unlike how they handled Morinth in ME3.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 16, 2016 6:10:51 GMT
Which is an insult to his character and the people who liked him.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Dec 16, 2016 6:47:29 GMT
I like Jacob and I like his eventual incarnation, Koth Vortena, which received the same reception (character is too "boring"). Luckily, you can excise both characters out of your narrative if you wish.
I don't think people realize it but Jacob is Male Shepard as an NPC. I felt it distinctively when I was watching a Mass Effect Galaxy playthrough and reading his Foundation chapters. Since he was written with the qualities of the main male character, eventually he made the final choice for himself for what he think was right for himself.
I never really like any of ME2 romances, but I never thought you can have your own happily-ever-after with him (same as Thane actually). He's on the Normandy team because he's an idealist to the core and he believed you can save humanity. But he won't drop everything for Shepard especially if you're fighting for the things he still believed in (Cerberus ideals).
I understand the anguish of Jacob being cast aside and FemShep who romanced him was deprived of a happy ending where he return to you. But ME3 is a game where half of the people you're fighting are Cerberus and he's someone who abandoned Alliance and believed that there are good people in Cerberus which he belongs. You're not even in a position to share that sentiment with him. He choose the Cerberus he believed in and you return to the Alliance which he had given up for years. Brynn and the baby might have been a cop out but the narrative where he had lost his faith with the Alliance is part of him that will never change.
The game itself doesn't effectively convey it clearly but he did love Brynn and his baby more than he did for FemShep. He can't be persuaded to choose you over his family. I understand that its unfair and infuriating but do you want Brynn to abort her baby out of jealous spite?
Frankly, I wished there were more like this in Male Shepard's LIs story. Jack, Miranda, Liara all seem absent of any attachment outside the optional romance narrative, at least, Tali have Garrus, Ashley get James in a DLC.
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Post by lovelypumpkin on Dec 17, 2016 3:52:03 GMT
He just had no real potential as a character. Maybe he could have, but it didn't matter since he was hardly involved in the third one. They did, in fact, butcher his character potential, as well as pissing off all the fans who had their FemShep romance him.
He came off as pretty stand-offish, really military, always seemed like he had a stick up his ass (sorry). He was there for Shepard when nobody really was, but his character just didn't develop gracefully. I feel like Mass Effect 2 struggled in the character development department, almost like they just didn't care.
I was pretty baffled when I realized how poorly written his character was, he is the first, or one of the first, characters you come in contact with after awakening. He is the first to accept you with welcoming arms and was willing to befriend you. The most depth we were given with his character were the problems involving his father.
When it came to his flirting, it was very predator-like(?), that's how it felt. Like he saw you as a delicious, tender, steak. It was not romantic. A majority of the Mass Effect 2 romances were poorly written period. Only ones worth noting were probably Tali and Garrus, since you can actually carry those on to the third game. The others were pretty pointless.
I think what irked me the most about Jacob's character was how they handled the whole thing in the third one, if you had romanced him in the second game. He just seems like he never cared, which was a horrible route to take, like it was just some casual dalliance so he involves himself with another woman and knocks her up. Furthermore, expecting a romanced Shepard to be all hunky-dory. RIP!
All in all? Good character regarding his morality and kind heart. Horrible character when it comes to being a square. Jacob is a square.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 20, 2016 9:16:14 GMT
He just had no real potential as a character. Maybe he could have, but it didn't matter since he was hardly involved in the third one. They did, in fact, butcher his character potential, as well as pissing off all the fans who had their FemShep romance him.
He came off as pretty stand-offish, really military, always seemed like he had a stick up his ass (sorry). He was there for Shepard when nobody really was, but his character just didn't develop gracefully. I feel like Mass Effect 2 struggled in the character development department, almost like they just didn't care.
I was pretty baffled when I realized how poorly written his character was, he is the first, or one of the first, characters you come in contact with after awakening. He is the first to accept you with welcoming arms and was willing to befriend you. The most depth we were given with his character were the problems involving his father.
When it came to his flirting, it was very predator-like(?), that's how it felt. Like he saw you as a delicious, tender, steak. It was not romantic. A majority of the Mass Effect 2 romances were poorly written period. Only ones worth noting were probably Tali and Garrus, since you can actually carry those on to the third game. The others were pretty pointless.
I think what irked me the most about Jacob's character was how they handled the whole thing in the third one, if you had romanced him in the second game. He just seems like he never cared, which was a horrible route to take, like it was just some casual dalliance so he involves himself with another woman and knocks her up. Furthermore, expecting a romanced Shepard to be all hunky-dory. RIP!
All in all? Good character regarding his morality and kind heart. Horrible character when it comes to being a square. Jacob is a square.
Sad isn't it? A brother with a tight suit and get with another woman (@ least make her attractive) Damn BioWare A got to keep my binoculars on y'all when it comes to writing about black people.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 11, 2022 1:58:08 GMT
Necromancy is a real thing. Just look at this thread.
Why did I bring this thread back to life? I have a question. What class is Jacob? Sentinel, Vanguard or Adept?
I'm asking because I'm torn between two mods that make some changes in the abilities of the ME2 squadmates. Not sure how it carries over with Garrus and Tali but I'm not worried about that right now. From what I can gather, he might be a Vanguard. If so, he's on the weak side because he lacks the oh-so important Charge ability.
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Post by Primitive God on Jul 11, 2022 6:14:20 GMT
I definitely say vanguard. He's a shotgun man and he lacks the tech powers of a sentinel and adepts don't carry shotguns.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 11, 2022 20:08:47 GMT
I definitely say vanguard. He's a shotgun man and he lacks the tech powers of a sentinel and adepts don't carry shotguns. Thanks for the input. I wondered because of of the mods said it was changing Jacob to a Sentinel because it would make him more useful. There's actually a mod out there anyway called "Make Jacob Great Again" that aims to make Jacob useful. That's telling.
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