Remember the Prize: Jacob Discussion

The guy who takes Jacob's place, if Jacob is dead.


He's pretty damn badass, for a nobody. While Jacob has more to live up to.

I'm so late to this thread wow. Then again, I mainly avoided it because I thought it was all romance. ME3 Jacob did things that ME2 Jacob would never do. Refuse to return to the Normandy? Refuse to rejoin the Alliance while they're actively going to war and acknowledging the reapers? No witty lines or straightman attitude? He's just extremely awkward and goes off to marry Clayface from Batman. WTF.

I don't blame you. And hey, I'm glad you got to come join in on this discussion.
I still remember how much pain the Jacobmancers went through when the revelations came out. They were a good bunch, and it was hard to see them and the Thanemancers endure that. Since this is also a character thread as well as a romance thread, I figure this is a good place for any fans still here to have a niche for their favorite. And Jacob is still part of the team no matter how butchered his character was.
One of the good things about Citadel is that if Jacob's invited to the party by a Shep who romanced him, he'll still remember and thankfully won't bring up his plan to have Shep sneak him into the Council chamber to propose to Brynn. Instead, he'll say that he knows there's more they have to talk about.

I just thought it a simple question about that other guy. Wasn't trying to rile anyone up or anything

I just mean for a nobody NPC, he showed some courage.

I edited it btw.

:'(
The one good thing I can say about the terrible way they did that was that it got more sympathy than derision for the fans.
It was so poorly done that it was absurd that Jacob of all people would do something like that.
Here's to hoping that the next game will do a much better job not treating fans with a rush job

I told you I had screenshots!!




Well, I had a little bit of freetime this evening so I went searching for my old posts on the now closed site. Since I remember something about it going down this week I'll copy two posts over now, they are in Italics. It's from the old The Good Stuff(3.0)-thread page 85.


First post

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Oki, I have now rescued Jacob with Robin, who romanced him in ME2.

OMIGOD how that mission doesn't work.

What happened, why the cold shoulder when you meet up. When he mentions that he wants a family, Robin says "Me to, one day" and you get the "Nah... everyone knows that the Normandy is your true love". Oki, that was just horrible, thank goddness that EDI wasn't there. Would have been downright embarrassing. And, if you question him you have the options between "sex me now" or "it's oki, we are friends". Neither one of those works for me. The only way I could even remotely play as FemShep here was pretending that she wanted to leave him all along. Gahh...

Remember back in ME2, when he asked you to start calling him Jacob, "How about we drop this Mr Taylor-business". After that, my FemShep would never ever call him Jacob again, he had lost that honor. A cold formal Mr Taylor, and no wamth in it.

In the shuttle when leaving, you have no option to just tell them, "you are saved, get out and get on with your lives, hope never to meet you again". You automatically ask him to join the Normandy again!! "Jacob I need you". The man treats FemShep like dirt, and what happens. You sit there with him and his new girlfriend, going "Jacob I need you" and in essence you're dumped a second time when he doesn't want to go on the ship because it wasn't enough the first time. I bloody well don't need him, I do not want the bastard that they turned my dear ME2-Jacb into on the Normandy. I could imagine setting down my Ship in water to keelhaul him.... slowly. That's as close as it gets.

It's amazing, the made this man that I loved beyond words in ME2. And they completely killed him here. He used to be one of my biggest rewards for playing, and now I just want to spit fire. And not because he leaves, it's because I do not recognize this man, and the conversations does not work for me at all.

The best thing about that entire convo was the cute little conversations FemShep had with Traynor getting the mission and coming back. Why oh why oh why....
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Jupp, nothing about this conversation/mission worked for me with a Jacob-romancing-FemShep. Here is my warrior goddess kneeling in front of a guy who just dumped her, with his new flame out in the hallway asking him to "please shag me one last time". Nope nope nope.



Second post


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Actually had a ton of fun roleplaying FemShep getting dumped. Got wasted in Purgatory after drinking with Cortez, woke up next to Aria, shot bottles with Garrus still hungover and lost. Turned down Kaidan because it was too soon after Jacob and so forth.

Hmm... if the getting-dumped-convo had felt a little better and FemShep had gotten a new guy because of losing out on both Jacob and Thane it would have been better. Now Jacob really doesn't feel like Jacob, but I can't put my finger on why really. The best had been if it had been a branching decision, you could save the relationship if you did something special in the game. Then I would have tried both routes. Don't know if BroShep can roleplay getting dumped in this way? Getting dumped was completely unexpected for me, so in that sense it worked, I like being surprised. But the dialogue didn't work for me, Jacob doesn't feel like Jacob and FemShep takes a too big hit with loosing both Thane and Jacob.
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Looking back I still remember this PT, and Arias sofa of course. It is true, she got dumped and I had so much fun with it 
I was mad about how it was done. You can have a lot of fun with a character who is faced with some less than fortunate things in life. Don't know if BroShep can get dumped in this way in ME3? I had such a great PT in DA:O when I broke my little fangirl-heart with Morrigan and Alistair getting in bed for the dark ritual, the second PT was a Ultimate Sacrifice-one just to see the other path. Fenris in DA2, he left my FemHawke and I had no idea that he would come back to you if you waited. My FemHawke ended up taking a rebound with Merrill and trying to annoy Fenris in a passive-aggressive way whenever she got the chance, lol. I like how they did it in DA:I for that specific LI for the guys. If Jacob had had what she got, a scripted breakup for certain story-choices made earlier in the game but there was still a way to save it if you really wanted to I would have loved to see both alternatives. Fun to see that they took that into DA:I.

Because really, I would not want each and every lovestory to be happines-on-rails.





Last pic, here is one of the big reasons for why my FemShep fell for Jacob in ME2. He was the first one in the ME-universe who asked how my FemShep was doing, just turning the tables and looking out for her. To me that was huge 


Yeah. Had some very very rare extra freetime. Promise not to go crazy with pics every time. Think I am pretty much over Jacob in ME3 now, it is done and at least I still have my ME2-Jacob available. This really got me nostalgic for Mass Effect again, actually started a new PT in ME3.

You're picking something out of context here. Roleplaying does not represent personal values or opinions. It's about the character PC and exploring the personality, not about treating an NPC because we really feel that way. I've also had playthroughs where Garrus ate a bullet and Tali swandived to her death, but they're not my canon preference.
Not sure why you're picking a fight with someone who doesn't like talking down to you.

Knowing your history and considering which line you highlighted, if there's a misunderstanding, do please explain why this is being cherry picked.

Cloud, if you have an issue with a post, polite discussion is welcome. Passive aggressive behavior as this does nothing but harm the poster and while I can't pretend to be better, lashing out at someone who made an attempt to be polite is counterproductive to receiving a serious consideration of your opinion.

Again with accusations my point is that one of the writers made Jacob a prize, a boy toy as I explained before I just came across someone who said the second thing. And hence the case in point.

I'm not here to judge if that's what you mean it's simply observation, and hey a woman has desires like everyone else.