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Post by mugwump v1 on Mar 12, 2017 16:12:35 GMT
Yep, all this talk of NPC agency and the like certainly isn't resonating with me! I mean, even leaving aside the fact that Peebee's iconic look just isn't fit for purpose, encouraging the player to spend no little time and effort in researching and developing new and exciting technologies, only to limit their ability to disseminate the benefits, seems more than a little strange to me.
Stranger still is the mindset of that strange subset of fans who always seem to find themselves arguing for less in the way of added value.
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Post by deebo305 on Mar 12, 2017 16:14:06 GMT
Not being able to change their armor is no big deal for me, I don't mind anyones default look aside from Peebee and removing Drack's Bone Armor is just insulting imo lol But not changing their weapons....DAFAQ That one is gonna need some clarfication because having them run around with peashooters is dumb
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 12, 2017 16:22:27 GMT
So we're complaining that this game isn't DAI in space now?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:22:44 GMT
First, biotics require concentration. If you can't focus, or don't see the attack coming biotics do FA for you in a fight. Second, biotics require energy. IF you're exhausted, biotics do FA for you in a fight. Third, barriers don't protect you from poisons, extreme heat, cold, radiation, and other energy-based dangers. On a world with a hostile climate, biotics are going to do FA to keep you alive. Finally, even if you are in a situation where biotics are useful, extra redundancy is always useful. Extra redundancy is always useful. And in Peebee's case, you can't even use the fig leaf of "She's a 900 year old justicar and has been fighting bad guys for centuries" 1, she is using them for that anyway no thing new needed. 2. in a fight if a biotic and your that tired your sol anyway. 3. well then we're all dead anyway is it doesn't matter. hail our new reaper overlords. and in peebee case she isn't covering a whole squad just doing what she does every fight anyway. so she doesn't need to be a 900 year old justicar. 1 And if someone managed to sneak up behind her? Or strike from the shadows, and she doesn't use her biotics to stop them? 2 And a biotic will tire a lot more slowly if they have some ARMOR to take some of the load. off. 3. What are you talking about? Put on a hardsuit with heating and cooling systems and a real helmet. And again, what are you talking about? Peebee protecting the whole squad? I'm talking about people saying Samara flashing her blueberries and wearing stiletto heels in combat was okay because "she's had centuries of experience" It didn't really wash then and it sure as hell doesn't wash with Peebee.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:25:41 GMT
But Peebee's loyalty mission, that you have to take her with you on, is on a burning planet. How does that make any sense? And if she is going with people that is going to fight, it is common sense to use protective gear. But maybe people in the future get stupider? And while I agree that you take the right person on the right mission, that is not the main problem, the problem is that we can't give them a weapon that should be better at that mission. For example if Cora have an assault rifle, we can't give Cora a AR that have less speed but more power. While it is not a dealbreaker for me, I can't really see it as a good thing. Will I still be able to enjoy it and play it? Yes, but I can still see it as a weird decision. we know ME fields protect from at least some environmental hazards and heat seems to be one of them. biotics use me fields to do what they do and she's using them for protection anyway. is seems at least on the it makes no sense point peebee is covered on the lore side. on other character I can't say yet. It's straight out of the codex: The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation
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Post by vanguardn7 on Mar 12, 2017 16:26:36 GMT
we know ME fields protect from at least some environmental hazards and heat seems to be one of them. biotics use me fields to do what they do and she's using them for protection anyway. is seems at least on the it makes no sense point peebee is covered on the lore side. on other character I can't say yet. Barriers do not protect against physical damage like melee attacks, debris or environmental hazards. So no, she is not protected. Who is it that goes around and say this? It has been said from ME1 that they are not doing that. so barriers protect against nothing... yeah we're all dead anyway. how do barrier tell the diifferece between fast moving metal that a bullet and fast moving metal that is debris? hell that a bigger plot hole then anything in the games. and how did the biotic hold off the the seeker swarms? and what you mean the thing that I use to mimic a gorram mass relay can't stop a punch. we're so dead. and your telling me the thing that holds off space if there is a hull breach can't keep cold air in, hot air out?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:26:47 GMT
So we're complaining that this game isn't DAI in space now? I've said for months DAI in space wouldn't be a bad thing. Not after ME3. Who would have thought right out of the gate MEA would do something worse than ME3?
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Post by boyaki on Mar 12, 2017 16:27:32 GMT
we know ME fields protect from at least some environmental hazards and heat seems to be one of them. biotics use me fields to do what they do and she's using them for protection anyway. is seems at least on the it makes no sense point peebee is covered on the lore side. on other character I can't say yet. Barriers do not protect against physical damage like melee attacks, debris or environmental hazards. So no, she is not protected. Who is it that goes around and say this? It has been said from ME1 that they are not doing that. Yes it does protect you to an extend. In mass effect 2 there was a mission with high environmental hazard, the shield was quickly destroyed because it is not build to protect you from that threat but we are talking about the most extreme condition, in andromeda it is the same thing. Can we suppose the tech oriented character has some tech to protect from hazard or that they don't go on a planet without knowing their gear would not protect them ? Unless i'm mistaken we have not seen any planet with deadly radiation so far and the few extract of gameplay we had did not show toxic for the skin planet.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:33:00 GMT
Barriers do not protect against physical damage like melee attacks, debris or environmental hazards. So no, she is not protected. Who is it that goes around and say this? It has been said from ME1 that they are not doing that. so barriers protect against nothing... yeah we're all dead anyway. how do barrier tell the diifferece between fast moving metal that a bullet and fast moving metal that is debris? hell that a bigger plot hole then anything in the games. and how did the biotic hold off the the seeker swarms? and what you mean the thing that I use to mimic a gorram mass relay can't stop a punch. we're so dead. and your telling me the thing that holds off space if there is a hull breach can't keep cold air in, hot air out? Barriers specifically defend against small, fast-moving objects. Like bullets, yes. This is why upgraded shields protect the Normandy from the debris field, and upgraded armor protects you form the Collectors cruiser's beam weapon. They don't protect against slower moving objects (like the bit of an animal, energy (like fire or radiation), internal injuries (like poison) or overly massive objects (like falling off a cliff) You know what can protect you from that stuff? Armor. Putting a physical barrier between you and the animal. Technology to keep you cool or warm, and block out radiation. Something to put between you and the stuff that'll stop your heart.
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Post by boyaki on Mar 12, 2017 16:36:35 GMT
1, she is using them for that anyway no thing new needed. 2. in a fight if a biotic and your that tired your sol anyway. 3. well then we're all dead anyway is it doesn't matter. hail our new reaper overlords. and in peebee case she isn't covering a whole squad just doing what she does every fight anyway. so she doesn't need to be a 900 year old justicar. 1 And if someone managed to sneak up behind her? OR strike from the shadows, and she doesnt' use he biotics to stop them? 2 And a biotic will tire a lot more slowly if they have some ARMOR to take some of the load. off. 3. What are you talking about? Put on a hardsuit with heating and cooling systems and a real helmet. And again, what are you talking about? Peebee protecting the whole squad? I'm talking about people saying Samara flashing her blueberries and wearing stiletto heels in combat was okay because "she's had centuries of experience" It didn't really wash then and it sure as hell doesn't wash with Peebee. 1. If someone sneak up you are dead no matter what, heavy armor does not protect you against the deadliest attack. Being a tech character using drone she is the last person you could sneak up against. 2. Wearing an armor does tire you, that is why every biotic does wear the strict minimum when they wear it. Kaidan and Wrex being exception but that is because they are hybrid not relying on these power. I won't argue one Samara styleto, after all ME2 had a llot of miranda's ass focus to understand the logic behind that suit. But yes it would be intersting to stop considering tech and biotic to fight and move as a soldier in a middle of a fight. Using biotic shield, auto-targeting and drone allow efficiency on the field without standing like a boss in open area. That is like saying the cerberus technician to bess less dangerous than the comon soldier because they are easy to kill and have no armor. So if I was a biotic with the power of levitate my enemy i would not fear someone coming to bite me. If i am a tech with long range, elemental device or invisibly cloak i would not fear them too. Each class has its weakness. Saying that biotic user are vulnerable to melee bite is as pertinent and should rely on armor they are not train to use instead of their power (it is in direct conflict) is as pertinent as saying a soldier is useless because it has no protection against biotic ability. Would Samara or Jack be as strong if they had heavy armor limiting their stamina ? More resilient sure, but they would lose mobility and their key strenght. That is why we have a squad...to compensate the weakness of one class by an other. Stupid Us army not using armor covering their entire body and protecting from every type of hazard at anytime ! They don't know how to make war.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 12, 2017 16:38:27 GMT
So we're complaining that this game isn't DAI in space now? I've said for months DAI in space wouldn't be a bad thing. Not after ME3.Who would have thought right out of the gate MEA would do something worse than ME3? This level of bias is just too much.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:40:19 GMT
1. If someone sneak up you are dead no matter what, heavy armor does not protect you against the deadliest attack. Being a tech character using drone she is the last person you could sneak up against. 2. Wearing an armor does tire you, that is why every biotic does wear the strict minimum when they wear it. Kaidan and Wrex being exception but that is because they are hybrid not relying on these power. I won't argue one Samara styleto, after all ME2 had a llot of miranda's ass focus to understand the logic behind that suit. But yes it would be intersting to stop considering tech and biotic to fight and move as a soldier in a middle of a fight. Using biotic shield, auto-targeting and drone allow efficiency on the field without standing like a boss in open area. That is like saying the cerberus technician to bess less dangerous than the comon soldier because they are easy to kill and have no armor. Even asari commandos wear light armor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 16:40:56 GMT
Why does the Nomad of all things have greater customization than squadmates?
That seems to be a case of the developers not having their priorities straight. Since the Nomad isn't a combat vehicle and is just for getting from point A to point B in a timely manner (though you can run down enemies), why introduce customization for it at all? If the lack of customization for squadmates was a matter of resources not being there, I'd rather squadmate customization was prioritized over the Nomad.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:41:30 GMT
I've said for months DAI in space wouldn't be a bad thing. Not after ME3.Who would have thought right out of the gate MEA would do something worse than ME3? This level of bias is just too much. What? I actually liked DAI. It's definitely got flaws, but overall I enjoyed it.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 16:41:59 GMT
Why does the Nomad of all things have greater customization than squadmates?It seems to me that is a case of the developers not having their priorities staight. Since the Nomad isn't a combat vehicle and is just from getting from point A to point B in a timely manner (though you can run down enemies), why introduce customization for it at all? If the lack of customization for squadmates was a matter of resources not being there, I'd have rather squadmate customization was prioritized over the Nomad. I WAS WONDERING THE EXACT SAME THING!!!
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Post by mugwump v1 on Mar 12, 2017 16:43:20 GMT
Why does the Nomad of all things have greater customization than squadmates? That seems to be a case of the developers not having their priorities straight. Since the Nomad isn't a combat vehicle and is just for getting from point A to point B in a timely manner (though you can run down enemies), why introduce customization for it at all? If the lack of customization for squadmates was a matter of resources not being there, I'd rather squadmate customization was prioritized over the Nomad. Could not agree more.
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Why does the Nomad of all things have greater customization than squadmates?It seems to me that is a case of the developers not having their priorities staight. Since the Nomad isn't a combat vehicle and is just from getting from point A to point B in a timely manner (though you can run down enemies), why introduce customization for it at all? If the lack of customization for squadmates was a matter of resources not being there, I'd have rather squadmate customization was prioritized over the Nomad. I WAS WONDERING THE EXACT SAME THING!!! It reminds me of some of the development decisions made with ME3. "Not enough resources to fully render unmasked Tali. Lets use a barely photoshopped stock photo instead." "How is Diana Allers coming along? Have we finished face-mapping Jessica Chobot yet?"
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Post by 10k on Mar 12, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
so barriers protect against nothing... yeah we're all dead anyway. how do barrier tell the diifferece between fast moving metal that a bullet and fast moving metal that is debris? hell that a bigger plot hole then anything in the games. and how did the biotic hold off the the seeker swarms? and what you mean the thing that I use to mimic a gorram mass relay can't stop a punch. we're so dead. and your telling me the thing that holds off space if there is a hull breach can't keep cold air in, hot air out? Well this was explained in mass effect revelation. Kinect barriers protect against high velocity projectiles. It's the speeds that matter. You couldn't get a random piece of metal to reach those speeds without something that may help project it that fast. And in the case a random piece of metal can reach those speeds, I would assume the kinetic barrier would stop it. Also kinetic barriers and biotic barriers are two different things.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 12, 2017 16:48:06 GMT
Face it people, this whole thing stinks of payed for DLC. Which I for one won't be touching with a ten foot pole.
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1. If someone sneak up you are dead no matter what, heavy armor does not protect you against the deadliest attack. Being a tech character using drone she is the last person you could sneak up against. 2. Wearing an armor does tire you, that is why every biotic does wear the strict minimum when they wear it. Kaidan and Wrex being exception but that is because they are hybrid not relying on these power. I won't argue one Samara styleto, after all ME2 had a llot of miranda's ass focus to understand the logic behind that suit. But yes it would be intersting to stop considering tech and biotic to fight and move as a soldier in a middle of a fight. Using biotic shield, auto-targeting and drone allow efficiency on the field without standing like a boss in open area. That is like saying the cerberus technician to bess less dangerous than the comon soldier because they are easy to kill and have no armor. Even asari commandos wear light armor. Light armor. But a light armor is not here to protect you from deadly shot, it simply cannot. It is here to protect you from the terrain and small injury. That is why you always see reinforcement on shoulders, knees, elbows and hand. Not because it should be protected from shot but to avoid scratch and burn that could be really anoying on the field. and it is the case here. And yes Asari commando does wear minimum armor, and we are talking about a commando, so special forces with a standard uniform suited for their line of work. Are we accusing the tech scientist to not have professional armor ? This is not a equipement to stop bullet, but one not very limitating and suited for commando mission.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 12, 2017 17:00:52 GMT
Barriers do not protect against physical damage like melee attacks, debris or environmental hazards. So no, she is not protected. Who is it that goes around and say this? It has been said from ME1 that they are not doing that. so barriers protect against nothing... yeah we're all dead anyway. how do barrier tell the diifferece between fast moving metal that a bullet and fast moving metal that is debris? hell that a bigger plot hole then anything in the games. and how did the biotic hold off the the seeker swarms? and what you mean the thing that I use to mimic a gorram mass relay can't stop a punch. we're so dead. and your telling me the thing that holds off space if there is a hull breach can't keep cold air in, hot air out? Do you know what velocity is? The barriers work by stopping things that comes in HIGH velocity. here is the wiki: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kinetic_barrier#Kinetic_Barriers_.28.22Shields.22.29Here is the relevant part: Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.
At least try to look up the things you argue about. Barriers do not protect against physical damage like melee attacks, debris or environmental hazards. So no, she is not protected. Who is it that goes around and say this? It has been said from ME1 that they are not doing that. Yes it does protect you to an extend. In mass effect 2 there was a mission with high environmental hazard, the shield was quickly destroyed because it is not build to protect you from that threat but we are talking about the most extreme condition, in andromeda it is the same thing. Can we suppose the tech oriented character has some tech to protect from hazard or that they don't go on a planet without knowing their gear would not protect them ? Unless i'm mistaken we have not seen any planet with deadly radiation so far and the few extract of gameplay we had did not show toxic for the skin planet. And the shields didn't lasted 2 minutes. And that only prove that if you are going to explore a planet you're stupid to not wear a hard suit that is created for that exact purpose. No matter what kind of "tech" you have, if it is not covering you how doe sit protect you? Or if it is some kind of "magic field" there have to be a battery that power it. Where does she hide it? Look, I don't try force people to agree that it is necessary to follow the lore. But don't try to tell me that they are making sense when we can see that they are going against the lore. They are only doing it because the rule of cool".
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2017 17:01:55 GMT
Even asari commandos wear light armor. Light armor. But a light armor is not here to protect you from deadly shot, it simply cannot. It is here to protect you from the terrain and small injury. That is why you always see reinforcement on shoulders, knees, elbows and hand. Not because it should be protected from shot but to avoid scratch and burn that could be really anoying on the field. and it is the case here. And yes Asari commando does wear minimum armor, and we are talking about a commando, so special forces with a standard uniform suited for their line of work. Are we accusing the tech scientist to not have professional armor ? This is not a equipement to stop bullet, but one not very limitating and suited for commando mission. It can protect you from a ricochet, or shrapnel, or an animal bite. It would also carry medigel dispensers in case she did get hurt. What can Peebee's jacket protect her from? Not even a cool breeze, I think, given her exposed belly and holes in the sleeves. And if she's going into teh field with professional soldiers and explorers, then yes, I'd like the OPTION for her to dress the part.
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Post by NRieh on Mar 12, 2017 17:11:28 GMT
For those bringing in DAI as an example - don't forget that in DAI they HAD to adapt each armor for 8 PC models anyway. Customizable companions are just part of that system, which already existed (if not the side-effect). So, no, it's not the same.
And ME1 had mostly used all kinds of recolors.
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Post by NRieh on Mar 12, 2017 17:14:48 GMT
Lol! Why do I have a feeling that those guys don't normally fight like that in extra-hazardous enviroments (like zero-G, extreme temperatures, non-oxygen atmospheres, vacuum etc)?
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