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Post by The Loyal Nub on Mar 15, 2017 12:48:23 GMT
Eurogamer sounds positive about it too: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-14-mass-effect-andromeda-gets-off-to-a-promising-startI like John Walker. I agreed with him, for the most part, about ME:3 but yeah he's a writer and he's got his own opinion. Doesn't have to be yours or mine. I've seen enough now in previews of the first hours that I think I disagree with him. It looks like a decent game from the previews of the first hours. I am sure down the road that Walker will like a game you like. It's just how it goes.
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Post by spikeydale on Mar 15, 2017 12:55:36 GMT
Hmmmm, one of the last bits he said about dialog... Not being able to play a sort of 'Renegade' character. Playing a nice guy, in different ways *fallout 4 vibe*. Don't know how I feel about this.
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Post by Rhidor on Mar 15, 2017 12:55:49 GMT
That article isn't very good. If you only say "man this is bad and this and that" with no examples whatsoever I can't really take you seriously.
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Post by danielhungary on Mar 15, 2017 13:05:48 GMT
Preview, not a review. Kotaku seems to have really liked it. I guess this game might be divisive. Or it might just be that John Walker has odd tastes. He really loved Kingdoms of Amalur for some reason. I very disliked KoA.
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Post by fredvdp on Mar 15, 2017 13:07:29 GMT
Is that the game that has two separate dialog systems for no apparent reason? Kingdoms of Amalur? I don't remember it having two dialog systems. It's been a while but I seem to remember it had both a list and wheel design for picking dialog options. I played the demo five years ago so my memory may be failing.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 15, 2017 13:29:03 GMT
the character creator could do with a huge overhaul 1) John sounds like he's lost the love for RPGs of late - anything new, gets the codex-esque hatred it seems. 2) The first RPS preview was glowing as fuck, so this totally contradicts his own writer, which is fine I guess...but odd. 3) Here's a bro's ryder he just made for a review copy, she's pretty great I must say.
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Post by danielhungary on Mar 15, 2017 13:38:16 GMT
This preview is too extreme and far from objective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:41:58 GMT
Speaking of critical reviews, I'm looking forward to what Jim Sterling (my favorite reviewer) will have to say about MEA. I totally respect his harsh reviews on things I happen to like; because unlike this guy, when he's harsh he can articulate his reasons for being harsh very well, and he has good reasons too.
Other than that, it would be great if SuperBunnyhop did an episode on MEA; but George Weidman doesn't seem to be a ME fan (I don't remember him talking about the OT at all).
There will be videos by Noah Caldwell-Gervais and Mr. BTongue as well, down the line. I'm sure they'll have interesting things to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:47:28 GMT
I thought the same. Also, "it's friggin' stereotypical dude!" isn't a sufficient reason to explain why you didn't like the writing. Here's a 'review' in the same style: "... and the Prince. Oh my god, what a stereotypical emo bastard. Your father's dead, dude; we get it, now get over it, you're embarrassing yourself. And don't get me started about the Ghost. The Ghost. He. Sees. A. Ghost. Really, William? Really?" OMG, you are awesome :) Sorry, this is off topic, but the mere like was not enough!
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Post by amleth on Mar 15, 2017 13:52:47 GMT
I do agree with alot of the review, especially the writing, the two dialogue choices, the very cookie cutter dialogue, I can't say i'm all that impressed. I mean look at the writing in POE or Torment or TW3, or even the wider range of characterisation you get in the mediocre drivel that is DA:I, the writing here is a step back from even bioware's own previous product.
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Post by Mythgar on Mar 15, 2017 13:58:43 GMT
I am absolutely all for hearing differing opinions on games. I have said in the past, and continue to hold true, that I would prefer my games have both negative and positive reviews, or at least reviews that point out the negatives and positives, as I feel that helps me determine what things I would like and also what things I would not. That being said, I feel the issue people have with this preview is not that it is negative, but that it comes across as a bit hate-filled.
He describes the setting as "horribly familiar" when A. I don't think familiarity is always a bad thing and B. The setting is over several planets, all of which seem to be very different from one another, and after only the first "few hours" I don't think it's fair to comment on the setting of a game like this. The bit where he describes the first few hours as a "gruesome tread through the most trite bilge of the previous three games" is also very smack-you-in-the-face. He goes on to describe the writing as "outstandingly awful," the UI as "designed to infuriate in every possible way," the combat as just "fine," and the planet-scanning mechanic as "dreadful." The point here is that he describes essentially every aspect of the game as, not just bad, but AWFUL, other than the combat which he says is "fine," somewhat begrudgingly it seems by comparing it to some medieval RPG with wizards and ninja, as if the system hasn't always been this way?
The point is, a preview comes off as just a bit off when not only is everything bad, everything is VERY bad, and vise-versa when everything is just AMAZING. It's hard to not see some bias when even when a game is being complimented on something, it's only very slightly and there is still some negative caveat, and the same is true with gushing positivity. Either way, I don't deny this guy his opinion on the matter, I just think this preview needs to be gone over with a critical eye and taken with a grain of salt, like all previews/impressions/reviews.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 15, 2017 14:00:40 GMT
Speaking of critical reviews, I'm looking forward to what Jim Sterling (my favorite reviewer) will have to say about MEA. I totally respect his harsh reviews on things I happen to like; because unlike this guy, when he's harsh he can articulate his reasons for being harsh very well, and he has good reasons too. Other than that, it would be great if SuperBunnyhop did an episode on MEA; but George Weidman doesn't seem to be a ME fan (I don't remember him talking about the OT at all). There will be videos by Noah Caldwell-Gervais and Mr. BTongue as well, down the line. I'm sure they'll have interesting things to say. Noah Caldwell-Gervais and Mr. BTongue are two out three youtube voices I trusted (plus Super Bunnyhop). However considering all 'leaked' or shown footage of MEA gameplay to date, I don't think they will spend too much time on reviewing MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:01:32 GMT
you have to introduce a little humor at this point. reviews at this stage (or any other) should always be taken with a huge pinch of salt (especially IGNs). Have a look at a few, draw a balanced opinion and trust yourself.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 15, 2017 14:04:13 GMT
Not sure why anyone would rely on any preview reviews, when there's hours of game out there to watch and decide for yourself.
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Post by fromthealps on Mar 15, 2017 14:05:06 GMT
That sucks. Personally, I don't really care, since I plan to directly jumping into multiplayer, and the combat seems to be workable.
Bad news for everyone who primarily plays the game for the story. Bad news, but not entirely unforseeable, taking into account the seemingly troubled development of this game.
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Post by Reznore on Mar 15, 2017 14:05:42 GMT
Speaking of critical reviews, I'm looking forward to what Jim Sterling (my favorite reviewer) will have to say about MEA. I totally respect his harsh reviews on things I happen to like; because unlike this guy, when he's harsh he can articulate his reasons for being harsh very well, and he has good reasons too. Other than that, it would be great if SuperBunnyhop did an episode on MEA; but George Weidman doesn't seem to be a ME fan (I don't remember him talking about the OT at all). There will be videos by Noah Caldwell-Gervais and Mr. BTongue as well, down the line. I'm sure they'll have interesting things to say. Jim Sterling thrive on controversy and probably enjoy hearing his own voice a great deal. I remember him loving FO4 , and one of the reasons was basically that he could shag all the things ...truly a revolution. That's the same guy who did a video two , three years ago saying Bioware were gross with their cheap sex romances. Don't get me wrong, he's amusing and caustic but I don't take his reviews seriously. FO4 was alright , but not a masterpiece like he claimed .
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 15, 2017 14:06:05 GMT
I do agree with alot of the review, especially the writing, the two dialogue choices, the very cookie cutter dialogue, I can't say i'm all that impressed. I mean look at the writing in POE or Torment or TW3, or even the wider range of characterisation you get in the mediocre drivel that is DA:I, the writing here is a step back from even bioware's own previous product. It is sad to see Bioware even fail in delivering their 'cliché' .
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 15, 2017 14:10:08 GMT
Whoever compiled that chart fails to see that most of humanity's stories since the dawn of time fall into this categorization.
Protagonist and backstory introduced -> Cast of characters introduced -> Good things happen to protagonist and/or cast of characters -> Bad thing(s) happen to protagonist and/or cast of characters -> Protagonist and/or cast of characters work together to defeat the bad things
In BioWare games, the backstory includes some of the bad or good things that shape that character. In DA, these are usually in the prologue. In ME, they were choices in the character creator.
It's pretty funny that people don't recognize this. After 16 years of gaming, no story in a video game can ever surprise me anymore. It's the context of how it's delivered that matters.
It's like Mark Twain said. "There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages"
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Post by Addictress on Mar 15, 2017 14:10:55 GMT
This review concerns me. www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/14/mass-effect-andromeda-review-opening-hours/It sounds like it's telling, not showing, just like Dragon Age: Inquisition - which was a painful example of characters telling, not showing. I hope it's not true and I hope it turns around outside the brief time this reviewer got his hands on it. At the very least, I'm putting this article out there to put Bioware's feet to the fire. Perhaps they can tweak something before release if they weren't aware of this concern before. Or sometimes, they're aware of it, but not enough customers cry foul - only when customers make a fuss does a company take action to improve. Sorry for something negative. I know there are probably groups of Bioware employees who hate the new BSN - "it's all the old farts who're just constantly negative and don't appreciate the hard work we do" type of ordeal - but I'm sorry, just because you worked hard on something, even if you've poured your all into something, that doesn't mean that some executive or top decision-maker at your company screwed up. I don't know who the lead writer is, or who the lead voice acting director is (I hear the voice acting is just as bad as Inquisition) - but these are the people I'm screaming at here. I'm sure the developers are an intelligent and hard-working bunch, and really, I feel sorry that their efforts are wasted because of idiotic creative and voice acting directors who insist on spoiling a franchise. Stop. Just stop. Take note of your awful voice acting. Recognize it. Embrace it. And stop doing it.
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Post by jastall on Mar 15, 2017 14:14:12 GMT
Also has anybody else noticed.. on Rock Paper Shotgun they have 1 Preview of ME:A from the Press Hands on where they say it is very good.. and now this comes out.. This seems weird.. I mean sure every writer is different but two such dramatically different Previews on the same Website? Two different people with different opinions? What's strange about that? Which is why you don't say ''RPS said this'' because opinions vary wildly between writers at that site. The most you can say is ''X writer said this''. They're aware of it too, and usually have secondary opinions from other writers in their reviews, which can run contrary to the main reviewer. Not having an IGN-esque editorial line is great for the freedom of the writers, but also means you must realize that many of their written pieces are literally one person's opinion. And a dude that, judging from a lot of what I read about him, is a bit cranky and doesn't like open-world games in general. So yeah, I take it with a grain of salt, especially sine I spoiled myself the first few hours of the game and I didn't find the writing to be nowhere near the abysmal catastrophe he proclaims and haven't seen a dumb fetch-quest yet. Then again, I take every single review ever with a grain of salt. As I said, they are nothing more than someone's opinion. The most valuable bits about them are the factual information that filters through the inevitable bias.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 15, 2017 14:14:13 GMT
That seems to be the only negative review though, not saying it's invalid but at this point it's probably best to wait for the game to be released to either assess it yourself or wait for a more wide audience,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:14:54 GMT
There is already a topic for this - Called we got our first bad preview or something like that. Also its a preview of the first hours of the game, not a review of the entire game.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 15, 2017 14:15:10 GMT
A few points:
1) This article is already being discussed on at least one other front page thread. No need for another one. 2) "Screaming" at anybody is not likely to result in a useful outcome (unless they are about to be hit by a bus, then by all means, proceed to scream at them!). 3) I've never had a problem with the voice acting in bioware games. I liked the VAs in DAI, and I've liked what little I've seen from this game.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 15, 2017 14:21:48 GMT
First, there is already a thread for this preview.
Second, I have not idea what people actually consider good writing. Especially, when they keep saying BioWare had amazing writing in previous games and doesn't anymore when I personally think their writing has been at the same level since BG1: full of cheese and pop-culture references.
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