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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 18, 2017 21:52:23 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 22:00:22 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... I think that is a bit to much doom and gloom. The Edmonton studio is working on the new IP and Dragon Age 4. The Austin studio is rumored to be working on a new Star Wars title. If this game flops there will certainly be people that has to answer for it, but they wouldn't cancel on going projects worth millions of dollars because of that.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 18, 2017 22:03:44 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... I think that is a bit to much doom and gloom. The Edmonton studio is working on the new IP and Dragon Age 4. The Austin studio is rumored to be working on a new Star Wars title. If this game flops there will certainly be people that has to answer for it, but they wouldn't cancel on going projects worth millions of dollars because of that. It's not like EA never cancelled big projects... Tiberium? Renegade 2? The new f2p C&C?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 22:04:54 GMT
I think that is a bit to much doom and gloom. The Edmonton studio is working on the new IP and Dragon Age 4. The Austin studio is rumored to be working on a new Star Wars title. If this game flops there will certainly be people that has to answer for it, but they wouldn't cancel on going projects worth millions of dollars because of that. It's not like EA never cancelled big projects... Tiberium? Renegade 2? The new f2p C&C? Wait they actually started a Renegade 2? The first one sucked. I am not saying it couldn't happen, but most likely it won't. Then again i am an eternal optimist, and there is no room for people like me on the Internet.
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Post by jastall on Mar 18, 2017 22:11:32 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... Given that Inquisition had the best launch of any Bioware game and positive critical reception (yes yes, not as glowing as TW3 or Breath of the Wild or whatever, still positive overall), Andromeda would have to tank very hard for EA to seriously consider shutting them down. If DA2 and ME3's ending weren't enough to kill Bioware, I strongly doubt Andromeda will be.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 18, 2017 22:12:12 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... I doubt it. I don't think even EA is that much of a go getter that they will start cutting things left and right when the game is not even out yet. I mean seriously you are probably talking at least one or two months later or after the first DLC is out and EA can start crunching numbers that we will see if BioWare starts getting in trouble.... And likely it will just be BioWare Montreal who will get the axe in that case. If the game does badly? Likely scenario personell reorientation and shuffling, worse case BioWare Montreal gets shuttered. But given how good DA I was and given all the stuff that is happening at Austin I doubt BioWare itself will close until at least the release of DA 4, if that too goes poorly.
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Post by NUM13ER on Mar 18, 2017 22:12:55 GMT
Well the lead animator and animation team in general might be feeling the heat right about now. That seems to be the main point of contention. It's certainly getting a hell of a lot of coverage. Nerves before launch are natural but all the stink about animation quality, rather than any positive impressions, might be a kick in the nuts for overall morale.
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Post by ceryse on Mar 18, 2017 22:20:06 GMT
Without getting in whether or Andromeda is good or bad, I'll just say;
If Andromeda under-performs, or even tanks in terms of sales numbers I would be very shocked to see EA do anything more than a managerial shuffle at Bioware Montreal. Possibly some people in position of authority getting let go and replaced by others. Shuttering the studio would be unlikely, in my completely un-informed opinion.
I also don't think Andromeda will tank. I think the sales numbers will be respectable, but lower than the shareholders and suits at EA forecast by a small degree -- but I believe this was going to be the case regardless of the quality of Andromeda (excepting if it had been exceptional, which is clearly isn't) due to a number of issues outside of Bioware Montreal's control.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 18, 2017 22:22:20 GMT
Without getting in whether or Andromeda is good or bad, I'll just say; If Andromeda under-performs, or even tanks in terms of sales numbers I would be very shocked to see EA do anything more than a managerial shuffle at Bioware Montreal. Possibly some people in position of authority getting let go and replaced by others. Shuttering the studio would be unlikely, in my completely un-informed opinion. I also don't think Andromeda will tank. I think the sales numbers will be respectable, but lower than the shareholders and suits at EA forecast by a small degree -- but I believe this was going to be the case regardless of the quality of Andromeda (excepting if it had been exceptional, which is clearly isn't) due to a number of issues outside of Bioware Montreal's control. At this point BioWare is too ingrained to be cut off by EA. They are more or less going to see shuffling and things, but I don't see a full on closure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 22:28:56 GMT
I wonder how much of EA's revenue is generated by Bioware. It is their biggest studio, having around 800 employees. Dice is the second biggest, and the Battlefield series is a money making machine. Then again Bioware refuses to do Season passes and do MP content for free, which EA somehow accepts. Time to do some digging.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 18, 2017 22:34:06 GMT
I like this one as well:
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 18, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... Given that Inquisition had the best launch of any Bioware game and positive critical reception (yes yes, not as glowing as TW3 or Breath of the Wild or whatever, still positive overall), Andromeda would have to tank very hard for EA to seriously consider shutting them down. If DA2 and ME3's ending weren't enough to kill Bioware, I strongly doubt Andromeda will be. About Inquisition, I know, I also have a generally positive opinion about the game. It was unfortunately overshadowed by TW3, it was critically acclaimed but very divisive in player opinion, and I doubt it sold that well or at least covered its cost well (of course I could be wrong, but we don't have official numbers IIRC). If the game tanks, maybe they wouldn't shut down the entirety of Bioware, but things will change again, and I doubt it will be for the better. Too frequent changes and a team will have a hard time to function both because the higher ups are at their throat and because a lack of coordination which is very important.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 18, 2017 22:37:15 GMT
Without getting in whether or Andromeda is good or bad, I'll just say; If Andromeda under-performs, or even tanks in terms of sales numbers I would be very shocked to see EA do anything more than a managerial shuffle at Bioware Montreal. Possibly some people in position of authority getting let go and replaced by others. Shuttering the studio would be unlikely, in my completely un-informed opinion. I also don't think Andromeda will tank. I think the sales numbers will be respectable, but lower than the shareholders and suits at EA forecast by a small degree -- but I believe this was going to be the case regardless of the quality of Andromeda (excepting if it had been exceptional, which is clearly isn't) due to a number of issues outside of Bioware Montreal's control. At this point BioWare is too ingrained to be cut off by EA. They are more or less going to see shuffling and things, but I don't see a full on closure. Yup. Bioware is the main source of EA's multifaceted IPs. Nothing else they own gets them significant merchandise revenue from novels, comic books, apparel, and so on. No one's going crazy to own a Need For Speed t-shirt. No one gives a shit about a Madden comic book, but Mass Effect and Dragon Age gives them playgrounds that they control completely and push out anything for and make money on it. Yeah, they have Star Wars, but it's not theirs. The only way I can see Bioware getting shuttered is if Andromeda bombs, DA4 bombs, EA puts out a shitty Mass Effect movie, and then Mass 5 bombs as well.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 18, 2017 22:55:36 GMT
Since the picture was joking about the game company, it's fine. If you notice, the rest of the names are all game companies, not employees. It's tasteless but not rule breaking. It's not about attacking any BioWare employee in any case. If there was employee names involved, that would be one thing. That isn't the case though. The joke is that EA likes to "merge" with companies and then shut them down.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 18, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
Well, the 20th will probably be the judgment day of Bioware's future. Mediocre reviews or worse, the future will be very bleak for them, maybe like Westwood after C&C Renegade. Well, I can always hope that Larian will deliver with DoS2 or even wait for Cyberpunk 2077, I don't like Obsidian that much... Given that Inquisition had the best launch of any Bioware game and positive critical reception (yes yes, not as glowing as TW3 or Breath of the Wild or whatever, still positive overall), Andromeda would have to tank very hard for EA to seriously consider shutting them down. If DA2 and ME3's ending weren't enough to kill Bioware, I strongly doubt Andromeda will be. You're probably right. However, it's not very hard to envision a scenario where either or both of Mass Effect and Bioware Montreal get the axe.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 18, 2017 23:24:58 GMT
The funny thing about this comic is how many years people have been posting it.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 18, 2017 23:31:50 GMT
The funny thing about this comic is how many years people have been posting it. And how it's wrong too. Maxis still exists last I checked, albeit not the main studio.
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Post by midasear on Mar 19, 2017 0:23:34 GMT
The funny thing about this comic is how many years people have been posting it. And how it's wrong too. Maxis still exists last I checked, albeit not the main studio. And even more to the point, "The Sims" and "SimCity" are still being milked as franchises. I really doubt the Mass Effect franchise is going away any time soon, even if this release tanks. If Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition could not kill Dragon Age, Mass Effect will probably survive a clunker or two. And I suspect MEA will do no worse than DAI anyway.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 19, 2017 1:11:40 GMT
If they weren't confident in their product, they wouldn't have given a 10 hour preview. The fact that people are going to buy the game despite a few flimsy animations speaks volumes about the rest of the game and how good it is. In short order, there will be some kind of fix for the cutscenes with flimsy animations . So I doubt they are worried at all given that most reviews are positive.
Having looked at in game scenes, I actually think the animations are all right. I see how people pull some animations out of context of the story and then say, they are horrible. The only animation I don't like is ' my face is tired'. They need to work on her. She doesn't seem to emote but the other characters do.
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Post by Parachroma on Mar 19, 2017 1:34:07 GMT
The animation issue was pointed out long ago...and they've still not corrected it even though Bioware stated they were working on it. WTH? I would be fired at my job if this happened. All EA understands is shareholder demands. If they had a backbone. they would say "Hey, complex RPG's take time to develop and get right." You don't see Elder Scrolls or Fallout games being pumped out every couple of years do you? And when they do hit the shelves there are plenty of bugs, so what's that tell you? Development of these types of games isn't easy. I commend Bioware for having a great shell of a game. I despise EA for not allowing them to flesh it out properly. Because shareholders demand a ROI asap. Maybe Bioware should develop their game to allows for mods...we gamers can save them!
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Post by Astralify on Mar 19, 2017 14:47:00 GMT
The animation issue was pointed out long ago...and they've still not corrected it even though Bioware stated they were working on it. WTH? I would be fired at my job if this happened. All EA understands is shareholder demands. If they had a backbone. they would say "Hey, complex RPG's take time to develop and get right." You don't see Elder Scrolls or Fallout games being pumped out every couple of years do you? And when they do hit the shelves there are plenty of bugs, so what's that tell you? Development of these types of games isn't easy. I commend Bioware for having a great shell of a game. I despise EA for not allowing them to flesh it out properly. Because shareholders demand a ROI asap. Maybe Bioware should develop their game to allows for mods...we gamers can save them! As a modder, I prefer a finished and polished product. I don't want to be fixing something I paid for (I hate Bethesda for this). I'd ratter work on something new if the game allows it. If this is where everything is going, then games should be free with micro-transactions. (and don't let me start on that one) Also, do you people still believe their lies? About fixing/improving things? When people have already thrown their money as preorders? Don't be naive. That's the way of thinking that got us here.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 15:03:23 GMT
And how it's wrong too. Maxis still exists last I checked, albeit not the main studio. And even more to the point, "The Sims" and "SimCity" are still being milked as franchises. You're wrong about Sim City, that franchise is dead and buried. The last game in the series was in 2013 and was a disaster, and EA ultimately closed the Maxis studio responsible for it: www.wired.co.uk/article/ea-closes-simcity-studioBut yeah, the Sims is still going.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 19, 2017 15:09:14 GMT
The animation issue was pointed out long ago...and they've still not corrected it even though Bioware stated they were working on it. WTH? I would be fired at my job if this happened. All EA understands is shareholder demands. If they had a backbone. they would say "Hey, complex RPG's take time to develop and get right." You don't see Elder Scrolls or Fallout games being pumped out every couple of years do you? And when they do hit the shelves there are plenty of bugs, so what's that tell you? Development of these types of games isn't easy. I commend Bioware for having a great shell of a game. I despise EA for not allowing them to flesh it out properly. Because shareholders demand a ROI asap. Maybe Bioware should develop their game to allows for mods...we gamers can save them! Or, you know, they did worked on fixing animations but they couldn't fix everything in time and some fixes caused new bugs? Also lmao, there's no fucking way modders can do better work in facial animation. What, do modders have access motion cap studios now?
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