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Post by Madflavor on Mar 16, 2017 3:37:54 GMT
Eeesh I don't want to be in their shoes. This is really unprecedented for a Bioware game to be getting a lot of heat by both players AND critics, before the game is even released. News of the game being a mess is spreading on the internet. While I'm sure plenty of people will like it (hell maybe I will), there seems to be a ton of people who don't so far, and that includes critics. I have to wonder what tomorrow is going to be like for them. Mac Walters is probably having PTSD flashbacks of the ME3 ending debacle. But this time it's their whole game.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 16, 2017 3:41:19 GMT
this might be a little premature
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 3:43:18 GMT
Whatever happens, happens, and it won't happen any other way, except if it doesn't happen like it is supposed to.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 16, 2017 3:43:43 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 16, 2017 3:46:20 GMT
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 16, 2017 3:48:16 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself. I'm getting the game this monday, and I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it. From what I can tell, most player impressions seem good. I would say it's around 75% positive and 25% meh/negative. But if that, and the critic impressions is of any indication, this will be a polarizing game. And really, that's not what Mass Effect needs to be right now.
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Post by chris2365 on Mar 16, 2017 3:48:36 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself. Difference is that the ME3 controversy only came after release, and none of the reviewers had picked up on any ending trouble. The problem now is that while there is a lot of good impressions, there are also some bad impressions that seem pretty consistent across the field, like animations, CC, etc. And these impressions are coming from both players and the media. I don't remember any previous Bioware game getting this sort of bad attention before release, so it may be cause for concern. Still, to each his own opinion. I'll be making my own on March 21st.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 3:48:36 GMT
Zero to none.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 16, 2017 3:56:28 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself. Difference is that the ME3 controversy only came after release, and none of the reviewers had picked up on any ending trouble. The problem now is that while there is a lot of good impressions, there are also some bad impressions that seem pretty consistent across the field, like animations, CC, etc. And these impressions are coming from both players and the media. I don't remember any previous Bioware game getting this sort of bad attention before release, so it may be cause for concern. Still, to each his own opinion. I'll be making my own on March 21st. That's very fair, I find most of the hate coming from people who are either known trolls or are not huge fans of the series and are expecting TW3 over hyped quality of work in every game. too many people have unreasonable expectations for a game of this scope (which I'm personally not a fan of large rpgs but that bridge has long past). People need to remember in open world games what really keeps you playing is good gameplay. It's why I cant play TW3 anymore because its combat is too easy and boring.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 16, 2017 3:57:28 GMT
I've been trying to keep up on early reviews while also avoiding spoilers. It seems to me that many people have the same complaints (facial animations, limited CC, etc) but apart from one rather scathing review from someone who didn't really like TW3, the reviews seem very positive. It is their job to point out shortfalls, and it is a game that is not perfect, so there are some. However the majority of reviews so far say that it's a good to great game! Many have said the writing is good, story feels great, music is good, combat is excellent, and many other praises. There isn't any consistency on the other complaints either, as some have stated that voice acting isn't good while others state that it's excellent. Some state the writing is cheesy and awful while others say it is a return to form. The only consensus on "bad" things have really been CC and facial animations, and even those are only on humans for the most part.
I think we should wait until closer to the end of the Origin and EA Access trial periods before making huge sweeping announcements about critics and player reviews. Two hours is not enough to really get a feel for the game, but closer to 10 will be. And a number of the people who got to play 18 or so hours at EA, like Minius, Outside XBox, BioFan, My Name is Byf, and Ability Drain, have very positive things to say and say that it is a very good and fun game.
Are there bugs? Sure there are! Every AAA title has launched with bugs. TW3 launched with some game-breaking bugs but is still praised. That's just how games launch, unfortunately, but having games be bigger and bigger with more and more content and needing better graphics and physics and the like, and with Andromeda having 1,200 speaking parts, there'll be issues. They will be patched, and so far I haven't heard of many game-breaking ones, only a few reported their game freezing or quitting out unexpectedly. Is that acceptable? I guess that's up to you. Pretty sure it happens with every game. If you think there should be zero bugs at launch, well, I don't think that's likely or reasonable unless you want games to have a 8-10 year development cycle.
I'm optimistic. What I've seen looks great. Am I a bit more worried than I was two months ago? Sure, but I think people have been focusing too much on the negative and ignoring the vastly positive things the reviewers and players have pointed out.
Loud detractors are overwhelming the quiet happy people. Not to say that people's complaints are not valid, BUT there is more to the game than just the CC and facial animations. I understand people want quality products and are begrudged when a highly anticipated game does not deliver on what they feel should be included. But let us also try to focus on the positive aspects of these reviews and the game.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 16, 2017 3:59:42 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself. As someone who has actually played a few hours, most of the criticism is valid.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 16, 2017 4:08:22 GMT
This is nothing like the ME3 debacle in the slightest. You doom sayers are making everything seem worse than it is. All the criticisms (aside from the CC) have been the same thing for the past month or two. So I doubt the devs are overly surprised at the reception this games receiving. Many people are just going into the game salty or wanting to hate it because of the ME3 ending. Honestly just chill and form your own opinions about the game as if it wasn't made by bioware and as if the OT didn't exist. You might surprise yourself. As someone who has actually played a few hours, most of the criticism is valid. That's fine and fair but most people went into the game already hating it. My problem is with people who just go some guy I watched a video on this game dislikes it so it must be bad and i should tell LITERALLY everyone its a pile shit. I do hope bioware takes these criticisms to heart and overhaul the CC, fix animations and AI.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 16, 2017 4:11:00 GMT
I'll bet 10%. The criticisms I've seen, while valid, strike me as being not all that important for most of us. (The 10% mostly covers my worry that ME1 might not have been a great model to follow.)
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Post by malgus on Mar 16, 2017 4:12:44 GMT
I've been trying to keep up on early reviews while also avoiding spoilers. It seems to me that many people have the same complaints (facial animations, limited CC, etc) but apart from one rather scathing review from someone who didn't really like TW3, the reviews seem very positive. It is their job to point out shortfalls, and it is a game that is not perfect, so there are some. However the majority of reviews so far say that it's a good to great game! Many have said the writing is good, story feels great, music is good, combat is excellent, and many other praises. There isn't any consistency on the other complaints either, as some have stated that voice acting isn't good while others state that it's excellent. Some state the writing is cheesy and awful while others say it is a return to form. The only consensus on "bad" things have really been CC and facial animations, and even those are only on humans for the most part. I think we should wait until closer to the end of the Origin and EA Access trial periods before making huge sweeping announcements about critics and player reviews. Two hours is not enough to really get a feel for the game, but closer to 10 will be. And a number of the people who got to play 18 or so hours at EA, like Minius, Outside XBox, BioFan, My Name is Byf, and Ability Drain, have very positive things to say and say that it is a very good and fun game. Are there bugs? Sure there are! Every AAA title has launched with bugs. TW3 launched with some game-breaking bugs but is still praised. That's just how games launch, unfortunately, but having games be bigger and bigger with more and more content and needing better graphics and physics and the like, and with Andromeda having 1,200 speaking parts, there'll be issues. They will be patched, and so far I haven't heard of many game-breaking ones, only a few reported their game freezing or quitting out unexpectedly. Is that acceptable? I guess that's up to you. Pretty sure it happens with every game. If you think there should be zero bugs at launch, well, I don't think that's likely or reasonable unless you want games to have a 8-10 year development cycle. I'm optimistic. What I've seen looks great. Am I a bit more worried than I was two months ago? Sure, but I think people have been focusing too much on the negative and ignoring the vastly positive things the reviewers and players have pointed out. Loud detractors are overwhelming the quiet happy people. Not to say that people's complaints are not valid, BUT there is more to the game than just the CC and facial animations. I understand people want quality products and are begrudged when a highly anticipated game does not deliver on what they feel should be included. But let us also try to focus on the positive aspects of these reviews and the game. Totally agree, people focus so much on the one negative review as many needs to have a nearly 100% consensus aproval and forgot about the majority of the reviews or previews that have been positive. If you had 1000 of critics giving MEA a 9 out of 10 and then there was one review that gave it a 6, people would focus all their attention on that particular negative reviewer because he would be the "one" that did not gave it a good review, they would completely ignore all of the others that were positive. There was no way it was going to be loved by everybody critics included. So personaly, I am not worried.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 16, 2017 4:31:56 GMT
Noted flaws aside, I've played the game for a couple hours so far, and I really liked it. There's no cause for doom and gloom.
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Post by helligkeit on Mar 16, 2017 4:45:32 GMT
^ Agreed. I've only played a few short hours and so far, it is a really solid game. I just hope people can really give it a decent shot, and kind of let go of the OT a bit. Not forget, but move forward and leave the past. Play for yourself, give it an honest shot. Folks might find themselves surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 4:45:39 GMT
I'll bet 10%. The criticisms I've seen, while valid, strike me as being not all that important for most of us. (The 10% mostly covers my worry that ME1 might not have been a great model to follow.) I agree. Certainly the major criticism about the CC being scaled back from ME3 is not important to me. I can live with a small CC since many of the games I play give me no ability to customize my player character at all. The facial animations concern has been raging on for quite some time now and, from what I've seen, Bioware have been improving on many of them ever since the issue was first raised... so I have good reason to believe that they will continue to improve on them in their subsequent patches. I also believe many of the complaints over vague things such as "blandness" are something that probably varies depending on what dialogue individual players choose and what tasks they decide to do and in what order they decide to do them in. That doesn't mean I'm saying their complaints are not valid... just saying that I expect different players are going to experience essentially "different versions" the this game due to the sheer amount of different choices the player can make about what they do, what they don't do, and what order they do different things in. If talking to innumerable NPCs near the start of the game bores them, they should probably just try skipping talking to some of them and save doing some of that task for later in the game. I personally found ME1 far more enjoyable if I didn't try to do all the Citadel sidequests during that first visit to the Citadel, but mixed them in between other sidequests on the various planets. Yes, I paid a little bit of a "price" for that in that I wasn't quite a leveled up as some players upon gaining Spectre status, but it wasn't like that was an unmanageable detriment to combat (ie. the combat was forgiving enough that I didn't have to be leveled to the max to succeed and I was also still able to eventually complete all the side quests. I suspect this is a similar situation for ME:A. While we could probably spend several of the first hours just finding out about all the personal histories of every NPC on Nexus or Hyperion, we can probably opt to skip over some of them and still be able to talk to them later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 4:47:41 GMT
Played it for a few hours aswell. Better than i expected from what i've read recently. So far so good. Lets see if it sticks!
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Post by Teen Spirit on Mar 16, 2017 4:55:06 GMT
Early Game is never Mass Effect's Strong suit and this wasn't rushed like DA2 was and it doesn't have the bloated cancer that was ME3's ending (probably). So I doubt Bioware is worried.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 16, 2017 5:00:52 GMT
played this a few hours and besides the noted flaws thought this was a way better than what I expected and seriously there is no cause for panic along with doom and gloom and I doubt that bioware is concerned
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 16, 2017 5:23:20 GMT
You guys are delusional and/or naive. Bioware is most certainly panicking right now. A LOT of the previews have been bad. And not just bad, but awful. If the game doesn't get an 8.5+ or higher on Metacritic, heads will roll. Just because a few fans like the game doesn't mean the masses will. A lot of people won't buy the game if it doesn't get glowing reviews. If the game doesn't sell well, we might not get a sequel and a Bioware devs won't get any bonuses. I just watched the Gamespot preview and the entire panel spent 20 minutes talking about how bad the game was and had trouble finding one good thing to say about it... that's not good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:27:32 GMT
You guys are delusional and/or naive. Bioware is most certainly panicking right now. A LOT of the previews have been bad. And not just bad, but awful. If the game doesn't get an 8.5+ or higher on Metacritic, heads will roll. Just because a few fans like the game doesn't mean the masses will. A lot of people won't buy the game if it doesn't get glowing reviews. If the game doesn't sell well, we might not get a sequel and a Bioware devs won't get any bonuses. I just watched the Gamespot preview and the entire panel spent 20 minutes talking about how bad the game was and had trouble finding one good thing to say about it... that's not good. I am both of those things, thank you. I just rather wait for the actual reviews and report on sales before jumping to heads will roll. I will agree though that the first impressions from several outlets has me a bit worried for the future of this reboot.
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Post by fenris on Mar 16, 2017 5:58:00 GMT
You guys are delusional and/or naive. Bioware is most certainly panicking right now. A LOT of the previews have been bad. And not just bad, but awful. If the game doesn't get an 8.5+ or higher on Metacritic, heads will roll. Just because a few fans like the game doesn't mean the masses will. A lot of people won't buy the game if it doesn't get glowing reviews. If the game doesn't sell well, we might not get a sequel and a Bioware devs won't get any bonuses. I just watched the Gamespot preview and the entire panel spent 20 minutes talking about how bad the game was and had trouble finding one good thing to say about it... that's not good. Really? 1 out of 7 reviews is bad. The rest are good: www.nme.com/blogs/mass-effect-andromeda-reviews-2018248I doubt people are panicking.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 16, 2017 6:44:26 GMT
You guys are delusional and/or naive. Bioware is most certainly panicking right now. A LOT of the previews have been bad. And not just bad, but awful. If the game doesn't get an 8.5+ or higher on Metacritic, heads will roll. Just because a few fans like the game doesn't mean the masses will. A lot of people won't buy the game if it doesn't get glowing reviews. If the game doesn't sell well, we might not get a sequel and a Bioware devs won't get any bonuses. I just watched the Gamespot preview and the entire panel spent 20 minutes talking about how bad the game was and had trouble finding one good thing to say about it... that's not good. I do not care what the previews have to say at all, I never go with what the previews have to say. I form my own opinion and in my opinion the game is great from what I have seen in a few short hours that I have seen and if that means that I am delusional then so be it because still in the end "I form my own opinion" and I don't need others to tell me what to think about a game at all. So until I see something that I don't agree with besides some few problems I will continue to enjoy this game and I will continue to think that bioware did a good job and I doubt bioware and people are panicking
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Post by smilesja on Mar 16, 2017 6:52:40 GMT
I'm not worried, aside from the obvious flaws that have been discussed ad naseum before the release. The reaction has been pretty positive.
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