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Post by blueasari on Mar 16, 2017 13:35:41 GMT
Whoa hold up, you might just be onto something there. Problem is, many of us do not have the cash or the time to throw away on a game that may not be what we're after. That's not whining or entitlement, it's just common sense. I'll probably pick it up eventually on sale or as a GOTY edition but judging by what I've seen it's certainly not a day one buy. I think he is more talking about judging the game after yourself completing it, not by reading some of the previews of a trial from random reviewers that are negative. We all have to take a little risk when buying a game but we can watch trailers and footage to help us decide if it something worth buying early or later.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 16, 2017 13:37:35 GMT
There is a patch already coming upon release. I doubt it will fix everything. Within a few weeks we will get a second big patch. I thought Early Access players already had the Day One patch? I pre-ordered MEA Deluxe and the day 1 patch downloaded for me today automatically on Xbox one, no EA access. It was about 1 gb.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 13:38:55 GMT
Eeesh I don't want to be in their shoes. This is really unprecedented for a Bioware game to be getting a lot of heat by both players AND critics, before the game is even released. News of the game being a mess is spreading on the internet. While I'm sure plenty of people will like it (hell maybe I will), there seems to be a ton of people who don't so far, and that includes critics. I have to wonder what tomorrow is going to be like for them. Mac Walters is probably having PTSD flashbacks of the ME3 ending debacle. But this time it's their whole game. I think everything will be fine. The main issues are CC and Animations. The true ME fans will know it's Bio-Ware and not be worried about the animations....While previous Bioware games haven't exactly been free of janky facial animations, the criticism of ME:A's animations isn't overreaction. I just recently finished a playthrough of the original trilogy and there is far less jank than we've seen in ME:A promotional materials. That wonky animations are even showing up in advertising for ME:A likely points to it being a problem throughout the entire game, as that is the sort of thing marketing wouldn't show off in pre-release advertising. We had to wait until ME2 released to get Sheploo & Miranda's meme-fuel animations, for instance. Bad animations existed in the original trilogy but they weren't quite as widespread. I don't know if it is that Bioware is having greater problems with Frostbite than Unreal, or if they just tried to be more ambitious with Andromeda (most of the facial animations in ME3 are subtle), but something isn't working. The eyes of characters in ME:A also look dead, something that was not a problem in ME3. For a game series whose popularity rests largely on character interaction, it is a fairly major issue. Not necessarily a game-breaking one to be sure, but the criticism the animations have been getting is deserved. It is subpar not just for a Bioware game, but for any game released in 2017.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 16, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
Haha. Nah. I'm thinking there's a specific subset of Mass Effect 'fans' that really hope Bioware is panicking, because they still cry themselves to sleep over the ME3 ending. Which, and I'm repeating myself here, was a wonderfully poetic ending to a larger than life story. But yeah, gamers, entitlement, whining. It's part of the scene now. Bah. I thought the ME3 endings and Ghost Child were utter shit, but MEA is super rad so far (minus the saving thing and the limited--though certainly NOT awful--CC). #NOTALLENDINGHATERS That said, I do think recent Bioware games and anything they do or say often ends up as a proxy target for more general anti-Bioware hate/bitterness (much of it stemming from right-wing politics/culture wars crap, other parts of it from extreme crpg snobbery).
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 14:24:44 GMT
^ this GIF will always be a somewhat accurate depiction of a company in panic mode after getting bad buzz from their customers.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 16, 2017 14:25:04 GMT
After six hundred years, I'd hope so! Unless he/she discovered immortality by bathing in the blood of asari or something...
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 16, 2017 14:28:06 GMT
Haha. Nah. I'm thinking there's a specific subset of Mass Effect 'fans' that really hope Bioware is panicking, because they still cry themselves to sleep over the ME3 ending. Which, and I'm repeating myself here, was a wonderfully poetic ending to a larger than life story. But yeah, gamers, entitlement, whining. It's part of the scene now. Bah. I thought the ME3 endings and Ghost Child were utter shit No, it wasn't. If the Catalyst didn't exist, the series would have a really big problem. The Reapers need a reason for existing and to do what they do. The Catalyst gives both. Leviathan solves the same problems for the Catalyst. Only after this the Reapers make any sense at all. As for the colour coded super weapon endings: that was kinda to be expected, don't ya think? There was no other way we'd ever beat the Reapers that would actually makes sense within the universe. If some way of conventional victory was possible, or if the Reapers had some exploitable weakness for which you didn't a need a super weapon, every galactic civilization before us would've been dumb and incompetent. What we actually got, the Crucible, was just beautiful. It connected almost every galacitc civilization that ever was into the ultimate victory over the Reapers. Beautiful, poetic, gorgeous.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 16, 2017 14:31:23 GMT
I thought the ME3 endings and Ghost Child were utter shit No, it wasn't. If the Catalyst didn't exist, the series would have a really big problem. The Reapers need a reason for existing and to do what they do. The Catalyst gives both. Leviathan solves the same problems for the Catalyst. Only after this the Reapers make any sense at all. As for the colour coded super weapon endings: that was kinda to be expected, don't ya think? There was no other way we'd ever beat the Reapers that would actually makes sense within the universe. If some way of conventional victory was possible, or if the Reapers had some exploitable weakness for which you didn't a need a super weapon, every galactic civilization before us would've been dumb and incompetent. What we actually got, the Crucible, was just beautiful. It connected almost every galacitc civilization that ever was into the ultimate victory over the Reapers. Beautiful, poetic, gorgeous. The poetry of traffic lights...
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 16, 2017 14:32:01 GMT
I thought the ME3 endings and Ghost Child were utter shit No, it wasn't. If the Catalyst didn't exist, the series would have a really big problem. The Reapers need a reason for existing and to do what they do. The Catalyst gives both. Leviathan solves the same problems for the Catalyst. Only after this the Reapers make any sense at all. As for the colour coded super weapon endings: that was kinda to be expected, don't ya think? There was no other way we'd ever beat the Reapers that would actually makes sense within the universe. If some way of conventional victory was possible, or if the Reapers had some exploitable weakness for which you didn't a need a super weapon, every galactic civilization before us would've been dumb and incompetent. What we actually got, the Crucible, was just beautiful. It connected almost every galacitc civilization that ever was into the ultimate victory over the Reapers. Beautiful, poetic, gorgeous.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 16, 2017 14:38:38 GMT
Beautiful, poetic, gorgeous.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 16, 2017 14:42:04 GMT
There is a patch already coming upon release. I doubt it will fix everything. Within a few weeks we will get a second big patch. I thought Early Access players already had the Day One patch? If so then I'm mistaken. That is probably still the same issue being touched upon though. Going to see subsequent patches regardless.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 16, 2017 14:42:31 GMT
Ah yes, lets post some memes instead of actually argueing the point.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 16, 2017 14:44:35 GMT
I think everything will be fine. The main issues are CC and Animations. The true ME fans will know it's Bio-Ware and not be worried about the animations.... While previous Bioware games haven't exactly been free of janky facial animations, the criticism of ME:A's animations isn't overreaction. I just recently finished a playthrough of the original trilogy and there is far less jank than we've seen in ME:A promotional materials. That wonky animations are even showing up in advertising for ME:A likely points to it being a problem throughout the entire game, as that is the sort of thing marketing wouldn't show off in pre-release advertising. We had to wait until ME2 released to get Sheploo & Miranda's meme-fuel animations, for instance. Bad animations existed in the original trilogy but they weren't quite as widespread. I don't know if it is that Bioware is having greater problems with Frostbite than Unreal, or if they just tried to be more ambitious with Andromeda (most of the facial animations in ME3 are subtle), but something isn't working. The eyes of characters in ME:A also look dead, something that was not a problem in ME3. For a game series whose popularity rests largely on character interaction, it is a fairly major issue. Not necessarily a game-breaking one to be sure, but the criticism the animations have been getting is deserved. It is subpar not just for a Bioware game, but for any game released in 2017. I think most people were expecting DAI levels of animation at least, for MEA to look worse than a game released two and a half years ago is bizarre.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 16, 2017 14:47:27 GMT
Ah yes, lets post some memes instead of actually argueing the point. Is this really the place to rehash THAT particular argument?
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Post by TaliWhacker on Mar 16, 2017 14:49:26 GMT
None of the criticisms seem like valid criticisms for a long time Mass Effect fan like myself. Facial/animation bugs? Check. Most uninspired CC in the business? Actually, no, that would be the Division. Still very lackluster, as to be expected. No companion customization? Who gives a shit? It's clear that they allocated those resources to double down on player customization. It is the deepest it has ever been. I'll take more shit for me over a companion getting a black version of their outfit.
Another thing people are failing to understand is that the progress has been gated. It would be like judging ME1 before you could do Noveria/Feros/Library. None of the characters were detailed enough to be complex or compelling. Wrex was just a bounty hunter, Tali was on Rumspringa, Ashley had just made her first racist comment, Kaiden was just an L3 which was an issue for some reason, and Garrus was just an ex-cop that couldn't live up to his fathers expectations. None of them were the great characters we grew to love yet, if we could at all.
The only great plot point at that time was Saren blasting Nihlus. Becoming a Specter was cool but not like meeting Sovereign. If people judged ME1 on that slice of gameplay it would have been outcry over uninteresting squads with a story that had a loose "find this guy" objective and way too much time in an elevator. These are games you have to judge as a full package, and not against how you felt at the end of a trilogy. That isn't fair.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 16, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
Ah yes, lets post some memes instead of actually argueing the point. Is this really the place to rehash THAT particular argument? Valid argument.
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Post by wickedcool on Mar 16, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
I'm worried based on the cc. Not sure what percentage of bioware customers care about this but i'm one of them. Da2 had a lot of replayability based on this/same with DAI. Cant imagine how they could lower the bar but they did. I also dont believe promise that the cc will be improved. Dai on ultra pc still had crap hair, floating hair based on face shape (sideburns and beards became detached). Once the cake is baked its baked. You can add candy/scrape off frosting but the cake is done Bioware is not stupid. There was a good reason we didnt see it
I was really hoping to jump into this franchise based on exploring ruins but after watching gameplay at paxeast i was stunned on how it resembled gears of war with jetpacks. Da4/the secret ip (dumb marketing strategy) better blow the doors off as i dont see ea backing mediocre. Cd project/bethesda have to be Laughing at this game/engine
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 16, 2017 15:15:25 GMT
Ah yes, lets post some memes instead of actually argueing the point. Is this really the place to rehash THAT particular argument? If it's the place for memes instead of arguments, why isn't it also the place for arguments about memes?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 16, 2017 15:18:50 GMT
Is this really the place to rehash THAT particular argument? If it's the place for memes instead of arguments, why isn't it also the place for arguments about memes? I thought this was the place to argue the odds of a panic happening at Bioware Montreal? My argument: unclear: come back in 7-10 days and ask again.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 16, 2017 15:46:49 GMT
Guys....It's ok!
If this game is good does well, all the better for everyone...
If this game tanks we get Shepard back
Win win
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 16, 2017 15:47:30 GMT
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Post by ravenous on Mar 16, 2017 15:49:48 GMT
I rarely if ever use CC because I just want to get into game, with the exception of some animations and the CC this game is just fine after playing a few hours but then some people will just come into this game hating because they have already decided they are going to hate it period. Also same people who are hating on it from the get go just go to the reviewers who hate the game. I never follow what the reviewers/critics have to say about a game because no matter what they are going to say a game is great or a game is bad - I mean seriously there have been games that reviewers/critics said that a game was really good that I hated or that there was games that they the reviewers and critics said was really bad but I enjoyed it, but once in awhile I will find that I agree with the reviewers and critics that said game was bad or good.
Seems to me that so far the haters from what I've seen hate this game because they didn't like how the ending for mass effect 3 was and for me I also hated the ending for mass effect 3 what with the star child and the rest of the ending to it was shitty ending. Even still I have faith in bioware and again besides the cc and some animations that I hope they fix with patch or patches the first few hours that I played I really enjoyed, but time will tell if it holds
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 15:52:36 GMT
Guys....It's ok! If this game is good does well, all the better for everyone... If this game tanks we get Shepard back Win win If this game tanks, like really tanks we won't be getting more Mass Effect. Which is probably what some fans want, which is ok. The franchise didn't need to live on, but i am so far glad that it did.
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