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Post by Fredward on Mar 16, 2017 5:23:32 GMT
Here.Honestly, I'm concerned. The bit about characters is especially bad. How do you lose sight of what people like about your games to this degree? Sorry if there's already been a thread about this, I missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:25:56 GMT
First of all - Preview - Reviews aren't out before Monday, and yes it has been posted in a few threads. I am a bit worried aswell.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 16, 2017 5:29:09 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too: Sara SMILES when talking about her dad's death - it's bizarre and creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:30:09 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too. Having played the prologue the animations have been worked on, that was not a lie, but some scenes are still very glaring. Also throw a spoiler tag on that, son!
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 16, 2017 5:37:01 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too. Having played the prologue the animations have been worked on, that was not a lie, but some scenes are still very glaring. Also throw a spoiler tag on that, son! I watched a live stream of the early access prologue and saw the infamous "exploding mouth" glitch several times (where the lips protrude about three inches from the face in a bizarre baboon mating call while talking)
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Post by Fredward on Mar 16, 2017 5:39:45 GMT
First of all - Preview - Reviews aren't out before Monday Thanks, fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:39:51 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too: Sara SMILES when talking about her dad's death - it's bizarre and creepy. IIRC, Shinobi also said that the CC in this game was fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:41:15 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too: Sara SMILES when talking about her dad's death - it's bizarre and creepy. IIRC, Shinobi also said that the CC in this game was fantastic. Isn't Shinobi like a Bioware insider? Anyway he is biased, can't trust his opinion on the game. Can go to him for leaks though.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 16, 2017 5:41:54 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too: Sara SMILES when talking about her dad's death - it's bizarre and creepy. IIRC, Shinobi also said that the CC in this game was fantastic. SERIOUSLY?!? Are you kidding? Also, I saw back in February Aaron Flynn tweeted that the MEA CC was very similar to that of DAI because they really liked that one and didn't want to re-invent the wheel... so instead they strip the wheel bare and give us a single spoke and say "here ya go! Enjoy"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 5:43:36 GMT
IIRC, Shinobi also said that the CC in this game was fantastic. SERIOUSLY?!? Are you kidding? Also, I saw back in February Aaron Flynn tweeted that the MEA CC was very similar to that of DAI because they really liked that one and didn't want to re-invent the wheel... so instead they strip the wheel bare and give us a single spoke and say "here ya go! Enjoy" Yeah, I don't remember the post, but when asked if it was similar to Inquisition's, I think he said it was deeper. Have to look around, maybe I'm wrong. EDIT: I found one of the posts. Have to keep looking if there's another one.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 16, 2017 5:51:41 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** That's why they hid the CC from us until right before launch. They flat out lied about the facial animation "bugs" being fixed, too: Sara SMILES when talking about her dad's death - it's bizarre and creepy. Show me on the doll where Bioware touched you...its ok Timmy...you can show us... Seriously though, 'steaming pile of shiznit' is a bit of a stretch even for people who aren't quite into the game. A good majority of the reviews have positive things to say about the game with only a few disliking it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but don't take two negative reviews out of say...20 positive ones...and tell me the game is a steaming pile of shit. Its like those people who think vaccinations are evil because they read about it on a single, back alley website as opposed to proper medical journals. I just got finished with the early access trial thing and so far Im fairly happy. There were some janky animation bugs and the character creator was indeed a step back, but I disagree about characters. Liam is a very down to earth regular guy and I like that about him. Cora is a bit of down to business type but she has a humorous side that I've enjoyed. Finally, Vetra, has me intrigued. I knew Id like her but I didnt realise she would interest me this much. The graphics are beautiful, the combat is fun as balls and the exploration doesn't feel like a drag. I will say that the scanning thing can slow the game down if you're as anal as I am about scanning everything. All in an all, a good game. A good Mass Effect game.
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Post by farsight on Mar 16, 2017 5:55:25 GMT
Ugh this is a bad sign. *sigh* I knew the amazing parade of awesome games had to end sometime. It looks like Breath of the Wild and MEA are the weakest of all the great games that have come out since January.
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Post by leonick on Mar 16, 2017 7:08:55 GMT
Well, there's some worrying stuff in there, especially since unlike the RPS guy it wasn't remotely hard to take these guys seriously...
Can't say I'm surprised the start feels rushed, suspect as much from IGN's first 13 minutes. Should have spent some time in introducing father and sibling before leaving for Andromeda at the start. Should also have kept dad around for an hour or two but developers seem very scared not to make the player the leader and hero very early on.
Two of the four people were still enjoying it though, despite some complaints, so that's a good sign. And one of the other two had been too busy running benchmarks.
Interesting as well how they said it was a mistake by EA to limit them to talk about the early game with the one having played more of it liking it a lot more but unable to say why...
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 7:18:57 GMT
Well, at least nobody will say the writing wasn't there on the wall. Opening is one of the most important things in the game, and if after 6 hours a guy says he doesn't want more, I will definitely wait for MP opinions.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 16, 2017 7:20:22 GMT
IIRC, Shinobi also said that the CC in this game was fantastic. Isn't Shinobi like a Bioware insider? Anyway he is biased, can't trust his opinion on the game. Can go to him for leaks though. This.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 7:25:26 GMT
Well, there's some worrying stuff in there, especially since unlike the RPS guy it wasn't remotely hard to take these guys seriously... Can't say I'm surprised the start feels rushed, suspect as much from IGN's first 13 minutes. Should have spent some time in introducing father and sibling before leaving for Andromeda at the start. Should also have kept dad around for an hour or two but developers seem very scared not to make the player the leader and hero very early on.Two of the four people were still enjoying it though, despite some complaints, so that's a good sign. And one of the other two had been too busy running benchmarks. Interesting as well how they said it was a mistake by EA to limit them to talk about the early game with the one having played more of it liking it a lot more but unable to say why... This is pretty much a problem for every single video game franchise, and especially RPGs since the beginning of time. By and large and its one of the things still holding the industry back.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 16, 2017 7:35:21 GMT
They do say it's a RPG with shooter elements rather than a shooter with RPG elements, so that's a positive. For me, anyway. Makes it more likely I'll pick it up eventually.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 16, 2017 8:07:35 GMT
LOL Shinobi--or whatever his name is--was saying that the review embargo wasn't because Bioware was worried about their game... YEAH RIGHT! The devs knew they were releasing a steaming pile of **** Every aggrieved gamer assumes review embargoes mean the game is shit ****. Review embargoes are the industry norm. They exist so that reviewers are not playing the game for some scant minutes and then climbing over each other to be the first to publish just for clicks. And are you not familiar with the Shinobi games? Listen sonny, in my day I spent many an arcade token on that first one. :gentleman:
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 8:13:33 GMT
I'm really baffled by the ludicrous decision to have your character have a sibling and then never show the interaction or try to set the chemistry between them. In a better world you'd craft both twins, then watch an introduction where 'something happens' while both twins are on-screen, active, then the game could let you choose one of them as your MC.
Why should you care about a big white box? If your sibling doesn't wake up in reasonable time-frame there's NO reason to have a sibling at all.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 8:23:16 GMT
I'm really baffled by the ludicrous decision to have your character have a sibling and then never show the interaction or try to set the chemistry between them. In a better world you'd craft both twins, then watch an introduction where 'something happens' while both twins are on-screen, active, then the game could let you choose one of them as your MC. Why should you care about a big white box? If your sibling doesn't wake up in reasonable time-frame there's NO reason to have a sibling at all. I think a lot of the sibling thing will depend on how much content you can have with them, not necessarily when we can start talking with them. I'm more worried about the first. On topic, some of the concerns are more objective then others. Especially in terms of writing, I saw opposite reactions about every characters.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 8:36:27 GMT
I'm really baffled by the ludicrous decision to have your character have a sibling and then never show the interaction or try to set the chemistry between them. In a better world you'd craft both twins, then watch an introduction where 'something happens' while both twins are on-screen, active, then the game could let you choose one of them as your MC. Why should you care about a big white box? If your sibling doesn't wake up in reasonable time-frame there's NO reason to have a sibling at all. I think a lot of the sibling thing will depend on how much content you can have with them, not necessarily when we can start talking with them. I'm more worried about the first. On topic, some of the concerns are more objective then others. Especially in terms of writing, I saw opposite reactions about every characters. We pretty much know what to expect from writing. I don't like it, others will. To me it reeks of tweets that millennials react to with a shoddy GIF of a black girl clapping. But there are other issues involved, like the quest UI or cumbersome scanning that kill joy even if you like the dialogue and don't mind stiff faces.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 8:38:56 GMT
I think a lot of the sibling thing will depend on how much content you can have with them, not necessarily when we can start talking with them. I'm more worried about the first. On topic, some of the concerns are more objective then others. Especially in terms of writing, I saw opposite reactions about every characters. We pretty much know what to expect from writing. I don't like it, others will. To me it reeks of tweets that millennials react to with a shoddy GIF of a black girl clapping. But there are other issues involved, like the quest UI or cumbersome scanning that kill joy even if you like the dialogue and don't mind stiff faces. I read different opinion on the scanning (the one Ryder does personally) as well. I don't think I'll really like it, but I'm not sure if I'll be fine with it or dislike it for now.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 16, 2017 8:40:30 GMT
Do people really care that much about reviews anyway? Play it yourself and if you enjoy it who cares what anyone else says. I have seen reviews of many games that are high rated but I thought they were absolute rubbish. Like others have said it is a preview, not a review.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 8:49:24 GMT
Do people really care that much about reviews anyway? Yes. While one preview or review isn't worth either getting too excited or worried about (unless you always share the same opinion as that particular critic), the general consensus from a lot of people reviewing a product is often a very good indicator of that product's quality. There is a reason why sites like Rotten Tomatoes exist for films.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 16, 2017 8:53:30 GMT
Do people really care that much about reviews anyway? Yes. While one preview or review isn't worth either getting too excited or worried about (unless you always share the same opinion as that particular critic), the general consensus from a lot of people reviewing a product is often a very good indicator of that product's quality. There is a reason why sites like Rotten Tomatoes exist for films. Like I said though it all comes down to opinions and personal taste, I couldn't care less what some random reviewer or a group of them thinks as it is just their view. I will play the game myself and decide whether I like it or not. I have seen many rave reviews about games that I thought were trash in my opinion.
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