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Post by derrame on Mar 16, 2017 16:29:01 GMT
This Multiplayer in Andromeda is not COOPerative!
there are only players/characters running and shooting, like an idiotic generic "shoot 'em up"
where is cooperation!?
in ME3MP we had lots of skills and powers to share, and interact and cooperate with teammates, like the map hack/ reveal enemies behind walls, the juggernaut shield, the N7 engineer's backpack-turrent to recharge shields or deploy ammo, the recharging shield volus, the N7 sentinel's shield
the geth engineer's turret to attack enemies or recharge shields, the quarian turret,
the asari justicar's biotic bubble, etc, all of them useful to protect fallen teammates until revive or protect teammates when activating/deactivating devices,
where is all of that or similar in MEAMP!?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:33:47 GMT
Never used them to help teammates, just to keep myself alive and to do moar damage myself. Aside from that, those characters/skills weren't in ME3MP until some MP-DLC got released - so be patient.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 16, 2017 16:36:13 GMT
Never used them to help teammates, just to keep myself alive and to do moar damage myself. Aside from that, those characters/skills weren't in ME3MP until some MP-DLC got released - so be patient. God helps those who help themselves! I've always wanted to say that at dinner as I reach across the table for more mashed potatoes
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 16, 2017 16:38:25 GMT
People have become used to doing their own thing in games and for sure in me3mp. People are just getting their feet wet and don't know what they should be doing. I think the cooperation will come in time. (Until everyone gits gud and gets a good manifest)
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Post by Deana on Mar 16, 2017 16:39:49 GMT
Never used them to help teammates, just to keep myself alive and to do moar damage myself. Aside from that, those characters/skills weren't in ME3MP until some MP-DLC got released - so be patient. God helps those who help themselves! I've always wanted to say that at dinner as I reach across the table for more mashed potatoes I would like to go to this dinner with you and say, as you reach for the mashed potatoes: God help you if you touch those potatoes.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 16, 2017 16:45:39 GMT
I never reach for mashed potatoes because i make sure the bowl is right in front of me and the gravy boat is right next to it. No one passes taters to me, I pass to them....if I feel like it.
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Post by dcal31 on Mar 16, 2017 17:19:51 GMT
In the gold and (eventual) platinum matches (over time) and in nonpug matches.
IMHO, the reason we are used to teamwork, at least to basic, self-interest level, was that over time ME3 weeded out people who didn't pitch at the higher difficulties and you leveled up enough to make it irrelevant on the lower ones. After someone spents eight or nine waves on the ground because they won't stay with the group or they repeated fail the mission for not helping with an objective, they either learn to participate or they drop down to a difficulty where they are irrelevant to the team.
Since everyone is starting out from scratch again, teamwork, and lack there of, has a much greater impact at lower levels. Add to that many, many new or unfamiliar people learning the new setup and problem seems that much worse.
Once we unlock more and better equipment and start playing the higher difficulties more competently, we'll see the same pattern start to shake out, though I expect this to take several months, if not a year. Until then, start filling up your friends list with competent people and see if you can coux a few people out of your backpack and into a contributing member of the team.
Of course, that would require actually listening and talking to pugs. Scratch that. Fill up your list with people from the LFG thread and never leave the lobby without at least one forum buddy. Yeah, that actually sounds more reasonable to me. Off to go spam friend invites on Xbox to everyone in that thread.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 16, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
This is Mass of Duty: Git Gud edition boi...
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Post by Camel on Mar 16, 2017 17:25:30 GMT
Working as intended, cooperation is for losers. Off to lone-wolfing in MP!
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Post by DragonRacer on Mar 16, 2017 17:25:34 GMT
Some of the issue, I imagine, is because this is new to everyone and folks are running around figuring out what the new kits do, testing the weapons, learning new powers, etc. Once people start getting a better grasp on things, some level of cooperation will likely be seen.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 16, 2017 17:28:51 GMT
There are still combos, as well as abilities like the Sentinel's Fortification that drops down cover which can provide benefits for people hiding behind it. Provided the game gets DLC support, that's where many of the more teamwork oriented characters got added in ME3 MP as well
However right now we're all just starting fresh again. Most of our characters are under-leveled and our guns are level 1-3, and we're wanting to play with the new toys.
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Post by BDaddy1968 on Mar 16, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
Ah yes, cooperation, we have dismissed that claim. Also, pugs dropping down to an appropriate level when realizing they're overwhelmed. That has also been dismissed.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 16, 2017 17:31:46 GMT
Some of the issue, I imagine, is because this is new to everyone and folks are running around figuring out what the new kits do, testing the weapons, learning new powers, etc. Once people start getting a better grasp on things, some level of cooperation will likely be seen. Another issue is that players are not familiar with the maps yet. So either everyone runs around like a headless chicken or two people start camping a spot and herd mentality kicks in. I really don't see the point of camping in a MP with jetpacks, so I tend to lone wolf it. Also, old habits die hard I guess.
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Post by DragonRacer on Mar 16, 2017 17:35:51 GMT
Also people are probably running around trying to find the location of the ammo boxes.
Which, unless this was improved since my former time with it, are not exactly so easy to find... at least, not on Sandstorm. I literally spent three waves with no ammunition or thermal clip packs poorly meleeing everything and using powers while desperately yelling "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE AMMO BOXES??? SERIOUSLY, YOU GUYS, THIS ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE."
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Post by Dave the Scrub on Mar 16, 2017 17:46:01 GMT
"WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE AMMO BOXES??? SERIOUSLY, YOU GUYS, THIS ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE." I would pay money to have this as a ring tone.
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on Mar 16, 2017 18:14:15 GMT
Also people are probably running around trying to find the location of the ammo boxes. Which, unless this was improved since my former time with it, are not exactly so easy to find... at least, not on Sandstorm. I literally spent three waves with no ammunition or thermal clip packs poorly meleeing everything and using powers while desperately yelling "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE AMMO BOXES??? SERIOUSLY, YOU GUYS, THIS ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE." LOL that was me yesterday. Each map: make kills, move around looking for ammo boxes and relatively safe cover spots.
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Post by daveros63 on Mar 16, 2017 18:27:08 GMT
There's sooo much happening on the screen now (plus they changed the buttons for medpacks and Cobra, FML) that it's hard to keep tabs on yourself, let alone your teammates. Things will get better, someone dropped that portable cover thing on me whilst I was 1234-ing at one point, I smiled.
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Post by tatann on Mar 16, 2017 21:49:50 GMT
I always play with 2 real life friends, so at worst we get one pick up, if we can't get one of the person we've added as "friend" after having fun with. So if you really want coop, just communicate with people and make some in-game friends
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Post by Archaengel_X on Mar 16, 2017 21:58:20 GMT
Never used them to help teammates, just to keep myself alive and to do moar damage myself. Aside from that, those characters/skills weren't in ME3MP until some MP-DLC got released - so be patient. God helps those who help themselves! I've always wanted to say that at dinner as I reach across the table for more mashed potatoes I know what I'm doing during my next Thanksgiving family dinner..
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Post by MzAdventure on Mar 16, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
I think this MP, especially at the higher levels will inspire great cooperation. Already enjoyed some in earlier matches, found that asari adept and new novaguard make an excellent team up! If you were pugging it, well - pugs gonna pug. Especially in a game that is scant hours old
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Mar 16, 2017 22:39:36 GMT
My ten hours are done apparently, I'm kicked out of the game! So I'll have to wait until the 21th to see if mp gets better or not. But yeah, so far not much team play there.
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Post by What Else You Need To Know? on Mar 16, 2017 22:43:56 GMT
speaking of cooperation. What did you all do to nightman? I hardly ever see him in the MP section. Everything good?
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Post by P51Mus7ang on Mar 16, 2017 23:34:26 GMT
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Post by Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3 on Mar 16, 2017 23:58:17 GMT
I've been waiting for this thread.
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Post by Ares on Mar 17, 2017 1:52:12 GMT
Like people have said we're still figuring out maps, controls, how enemies work etc. I'll bet theres going to be a box of shame or glacier dark room like ultimate cooperation tactics developed at some point lol
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