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Post by ralph2449 on Mar 20, 2017 19:14:15 GMT
Yep, Jaal confirmed to be straight by Prima Guide. I'm not even mad at this point. Yep, from what i show the only options for gay males is again 2 humans who arent even squadmates who dont seem to have any real uniqueness or something intensely interesting or mysterious in them, and one of them wants a baby ewwwww And if i am not mistaken from the datamining people did find gay Jaal options, which means JUST like kaidan in me1, they decided to remove the more interesting gay romance and i wonder why. I mean considering the fact that Dorian wasnt a bad gay character, i actually liked him outside his overly goody two shoes attitude( to contrast tevinter mages which sound interesting tbh ) it really does feel that EA believes that the shooter crowd cant handle any sort of serious gayness. Yeah kaidan in me3 wasnt that bad but it felt so rushed, would be very different if you could be gay with him in me1, there is a big difference imo between a romance that goes through expansion and grows and kaidan felt more like "we need to give gays something so they wont whine"
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Post by ama93 on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:58 GMT
Yep, Jaal confirmed to be straight by Prima Guide. I'm not even mad at this point. Yep, from what i show the only options for gay males is again 2 humans who arent even squadmates who dont seem to have any real uniqueness or something intensely interesting or mysterious in them, and one of them wants a baby ewwwww And if i am not mistaken from the datamining people did find gay Jaal options, which means JUST like kaidan in me1, they decided to remove the more interesting gay romance and i wonder why. I mean considering the fact that Dorian wasnt a bad gay character, i actually liked him outside his overly goody two shoes attitude( to contrast tevinter mages which sound interesting tbh ) it really does feel that EA believes that the shooter crowd cant handle any sort of serious gayness. Yeah kaidan in me3 wasnt that bad but it felt so rushed, would be very different if you could be gay with him in me1, there is a big difference imo between a romance that goes through expansion and grows and kaidan felt more like "we need to give gays something so they wont whine"Thank you! Finally, someone else said it. I think deep down inside, we all know that's the reason him being bisexual was even included in the first place. Like, all those times I tried to flirt with you and now you wait until the end of the world to tell me how you really feel? Lol, gtfo with that. My Shepard remained single till the end after an internal eye roll during dinner. As for DA, personally, I like Dorian. Yeah, the daddy issues trope made me eye roll too but he was a pleasure to have banter with. Matter fact, he probably was good with every party comp regarding banter. Especially with Vivienne and Cassandra. Plus, he was hot.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 20:02:35 GMT
I've never been upset at this stuff before.
ME1? Okay, no expectations.
ME2? Ugh, ME sure likes having its femShep/femAlien stuff happen, but okay, guess this is the series.
ME3? Wow, options! Not perfect, kinda relatively shoved in, but something, and I'll work with it and hope some more happens next game.
MEA? Without Jaal or Liam? Technically more than ME3 (Gil romance, Reyes fling). That's the only positive I have to say now. Damn..
Weirdly upset. Actually no, not weirdly. Jaal looks perfectly fine of m/m squadmate romance storyline. It should happen.
I actually think I'm going to do something I never previously thought I would - significantly care, promote, defend less about Bioware games, based on romance content. Amazing.
It just feels so.. unnecessary. And whether intended or not, like a weird spite.
Hey Bioware, most of my friends are straight men and I'd tell them about your games and get them more interested in it. I have straight male friends who have played Bioware games going m/m because they like the character. With all going on, I think I'm done. Is this the straw on the camel's back? SO WEIRD, but I can't deny, it *feels* personal.
And I'm going to surprise myself further by insisting that m/m Jaal is patched in. Fanservice the hell out of people Bioware. You need to.
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Post by massani on Mar 20, 2017 20:07:39 GMT
I've never been upset at this stuff before. ME1? Okay, no expectations. ME2? Ugh, ME sure likes having its femShep/femAlien stuff happen, but okay, guess this is the series. ME3? Wow, options! Not perfect, kinda relatively shoved in, but something, and I'll work with it and hope some more happens next game. MEA? Without Jaal or Liam? Technically more than ME3 (Gil romance, Reyes fling). That's the only positive I have to say now. Damn.. Weirdly upset. Actually no, not weirdly. Jaal looks perfectly fine of m/m squadmate romance storyline. I actually think I'm going to do something I never previously thought I would - significantly care, promote, defend less about Bioware games, based on romance content. Amazing. It just feels so.. unnecessary. And whether intended or not, like a weird spite. Hey Bioware, most of my friends are straight men and I'd tell them about your games and get them more interested in it. I have straight male friends who have played Bioware games going m/m because they like the character. With all going on, I think I'm done. Is this the straw on the camel's back? SO WEIRD, but I can't deny, it *feels* personal. It just feels like a huge slap in the face, tbh. It's really upsetting especially since they gave us too m/m options out of squadmates in DA:I. This makes me less hyped and more reserved going forward.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 20:10:57 GMT
In over a decade of Bioware games I've never felt the 'slap in the face' stuff. Ever. Even with ME3 ending and its BS 'buy DLC' final message.
And now I do. Over something I never thought I would. WTF.
Guess this is my cue to take distance from BW games finally. (No, not run away; I'm going to still pay attention and talk, but no more automatic dollars and support for anything.)
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Post by massani on Mar 20, 2017 20:16:19 GMT
In over a decade of Bioware games I've never felt the 'slap in the face' stuff. Ever. Even with ME3 ending and its BS 'buy DLC' final message. And now I do. Over something I never thought I would. WTF. Guess this is my cue to take distance from BW games finally. (No, not run away; I'm going to still pay attention and talk, but no more automatic dollars and support for anything.) It is just so irritating when a lesbian Ryder gets 2 squadmate options and gay male Ryder gets zero? I never thought I would get offended by this either, but here it is. It's just annoying.
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Post by Ianamus on Mar 20, 2017 20:18:55 GMT
MEA? Without Jaal or Liam? Technically more than ME3 (Gil romance, Reyes fling). That's the only positive I have to say now. Damn.. How is it more than ME3? ME3 had a squadmate (Kaidan) and a crewmember (Steve). Just having 1 crew member and a questgiver fling is even less than ME3.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 20:28:02 GMT
MEA? Without Jaal or Liam? Technically more than ME3 (Gil romance, Reyes fling). That's the only positive I have to say now. Damn.. How is it more than ME3? ME3 had a squadmate (Kaidan) and a crewmember (Steve). Just having 1 crew member and a questgiver fling is even less than ME3. ME3 - Sorry, I maybe meant (can't remember) that Kaidan was a 'pushed in' romance to 'change' (I am okay with the writing, but its a bit awkward) him to make m/m happen, and that Steve was also feeling to me like he was 'pushed in' to a degree for diversity. Whereas Gil and Reyes are probably relatively naturally inserted into MEA (not by much though). It wasn't about quantity, but the 'natural feel' of then being in the game, I think. So, subjective, not really 'technically'. Bad choice of words.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 20:32:36 GMT
In over a decade of Bioware games I've never felt the 'slap in the face' stuff. Ever. Even with ME3 ending and its BS 'buy DLC' final message. And now I do. Over something I never thought I would. WTF. Guess this is my cue to take distance from BW games finally. (No, not run away; I'm going to still pay attention and talk, but no more automatic dollars and support for anything.) It is just so irritating when a lesbian Ryder gets 2 squadmate options and gay male Ryder gets zero? I never thought I would get offended by this either, but here it is. It's just annoying. The only ways I'll let go of this: -Squadmate DLC that is gay or bi (more likely bi, because lolgaymen), and hopefully more as part of a bigger journey and then wisely included throughout the game (can Bioware Montreal do this? As Javik was more of a modified, previously core character) -Altering Jaal. I wouldn't say this if the files apparently were not already there, as I do pretty strongly believe in integrity of characters (see my remark on Kaidan above), but I think its appropriate enough here.
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Post by London on Mar 20, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
Yep, from what i show the only options for gay males is again 2 humans who arent even squadmates who dont seem to have any real uniqueness or something intensely interesting or mysterious in them, and one of them wants a baby ewwwww And if i am not mistaken from the datamining people did find gay Jaal options, which means JUST like kaidan in me1, they decided to remove the more interesting gay romance and i wonder why. I mean considering the fact that Dorian wasnt a bad gay character, i actually liked him outside his overly goody two shoes attitude( to contrast tevinter mages which sound interesting tbh ) it really does feel that EA believes that the shooter crowd cant handle any sort of serious gayness. Yeah kaidan in me3 wasnt that bad but it felt so rushed, would be very different if you could be gay with him in me1, there is a big difference imo between a romance that goes through expansion and grows and kaidan felt more like "we need to give gays something so they wont whine"Thank you! Finally, someone else said it. I think deep down inside, we all know that's the reason him being bisexual was even included in the first place. Like, all those times I tried to flirt with you and now you wait until the end of the world to tell me how you really feel? Lol, gtfo with that. My Shepard remained single till the end after an internal eye roll during dinner. As for DA, personally, I like Dorian. Yeah, the daddy issues trope made me eye roll too but he was a pleasure to have banter with. Matter fact, he probably was good with every party comp regarding banter. Especially with Vivienne and Cassandra. Plus, he was hot. Kaidan is my favorite video game romance of all time, possibly my favorite in any media right now. I felt it was like a slow burn and it had huge payoff in ME3. I'm sure the reasons may have been to toss gays a bone, but it really worked for me.
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Post by Detcelfer on Mar 20, 2017 22:19:35 GMT
The problem it is that the game is still target at the bro gamers, so despite being in the future it still has that scent. And yes, unfortunately again gay gamers are getting the worse treatment. I really want to know why this is a problem. I'm curious what your angle is on this. Both from a personal standpoint and why you feel it's bad for business if they target "bro gamers".
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Post by wolffie on Mar 20, 2017 23:31:31 GMT
I know this rant it's childish, immature and a tantrum.
but anyway; fuck bioware montreal, fuck them, andromeda is a flop and i hope EA cuts the studio in the near future, one of the few good things of bioware games where the queer romances and they fucked up with gil, reyes and don't having M/M squadmated and a male alien gay/bi romance, is pure fanservice i know, but aside of that, the game have little of value for me, the story is a disaster, and it seems all NPCs aside of jaal and vetra are uninteresting, i don't liked much the 10 hours i played the game and it seems the game don't gets better, they put the worst elements of inquisition (fench quest, MMO elements, etc.) without the good things of inquisition (characters, art style, etc.) they fucked up and i'm not going to support this game unless jaal is a bi romance, and why we are going to fool ourselves? jaal is straight thanks to the bioware montreal team, great job guys, they managed to piss off hardcore gamers doing a mediocre, mediocre mass effect game and their gay and bi male fans making jaal straight and queerbaiting him, and i'm sure a lot of people who are fans of bioware because of their queer romances are piss off with andromeda even if they are not gay or bi males, better to pander to dudebrogamers and put resources in cora's ass, i am right bioware?
sorry, but i am pissed off, with bioware montreal right now, i'm still fan of mass effect universe and specially dragon age, i loved inquisition and i love dragon age lore, but i can't trust bioware like 8 years before, i can't trust them to make good games and i can't trust them to make good queer romances, after all the majority of people who made great bioware are gone, besides, people can call the new bioware ""sjw"" but it seems this bioware panders more to dude bros than the old bioware, i'm not going to support this attempt of mass effect.
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Post by Detcelfer on Mar 21, 2017 1:21:16 GMT
I know this rant it's childish, immature and a tantrum. but anyway; fuck bioware montreal, fuck them, andromeda is a flop and i hope EA cuts the studio in the near future, one of the few good things of bioware games where the queer romances and they fucked up with gil, reyes and don't having M/M squadmated and a male alien gay/bi romance, is pure fanservice i know, but aside of that, the game have little of value for me, the story is a disaster, and it seems all NPCs aside of jaal and vetra are uninteresting, i don't liked much the 10 hours i played the game and it seems the game don't gets better, they put the worst elements of inquisition (fench quest, MMO elements, etc.) without the good things of inquisition (characters, art style, etc.) they fucked up and i'm not going to support this game unless jaal is a bi romance, and why we are going to fool ourselves? jaal is straight thanks to the bioware montreal team, great job guys, they managed to piss off hardcore gamers doing a mediocre, mediocre mass effect game and their gay and bi male fans making jaal straight and queerbaiting him, and i'm sure a lot of people who are fans of bioware because of their queer romances are piss off with andromeda even if they are not gay or bi males, better to pander to dudebrogamers and put resources in cora's ass, i am right bioware? sorry, but i am pissed off, with bioware montreal right now, i'm still fan of mass effect universe and specially dragon age, i loved inquisition and i love dragon age lore, but i can't trust bioware like 8 years before, i can't trust them to make good games and i can't trust them to make good queer romances, after all the majority of people who made great bioware are gone, besides, people can call the new bioware ""sjw"" but it seems this bioware panders more to dude bros than the old bioware, i'm not going to support this attempt of mass effect. Go make your own queer game then. Good luck with sales.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 21, 2017 3:30:20 GMT
In over a decade of Bioware games I've never felt the 'slap in the face' stuff. Ever. Even with ME3 ending and its BS 'buy DLC' final message. And now I do. Over something I never thought I would. WTF.Guess this is my cue to take distance from BW games finally. (No, not run away; I'm going to still pay attention and talk, but no more automatic dollars and support for anything.) So you knew BioWare games as a non-dating simulator with light action and roleplaying elements, but you decided to embrace it wholeheartedly anyways. So now, instead of being correctly outraged at the failure of gameplay/animation/story, you're upset about how Gay MEN do not get "sufficient" romance options. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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Post by ama93 on Mar 21, 2017 3:38:49 GMT
Well, Bioware is having a field day with Reddit and Twitter outrage between that one (no longer working) racist game dev and the MM romance salt.
I knew it was gonna happen and the shit storm would begin. I hope for DragonAges sake that this doesn't touch their budget or I'm gonna be very upset. They seriously queerbaited people for 5 years and didn't expect media backlash...like the last time.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 21, 2017 3:41:01 GMT
Well, Bioware is having a field day with Reddit and Twitter outrage between that one (no longer working) racist game dev and the MM romance salt. I knew it was gonna happen and the shit storm would begin. I hope for DragonAges sake that this doesn't touch their budget or I'm gonna be very upset. They seriously queerbaited people for 5 years and didn't expect media backlash...like the last time. EA will likely downsize BioWare if MEA doesn't work out sales wise. Which is a good thing since BioWare really needs to get rid of their current "talent" and find better people.
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Post by hyouvizer on Mar 21, 2017 16:45:06 GMT
Yep, Jaal confirmed to be straight by Prima Guide. I'm not even mad at this point. I feel so sorry for anyone who wanted to romance Jaal. I feel for you guys Internet hugs for everyone! ....although you probably don't want one from me heh true but it does help, thank you :'D pisses me off Jaal had male ryder romance lines but its like they dropped them from the game entirely.....why
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 21, 2017 18:47:07 GMT
In over a decade of Bioware games I've never felt the 'slap in the face' stuff. Ever. Even with ME3 ending and its BS 'buy DLC' final message. And now I do. Over something I never thought I would. WTF.Guess this is my cue to take distance from BW games finally. (No, not run away; I'm going to still pay attention and talk, but no more automatic dollars and support for anything.) So you knew BioWare games as a non-dating simulator with light action and roleplaying elements, but you decided to embrace it wholeheartedly anyways. So now, instead of being correctly outraged at the failure of gameplay/animation/story, you're upset about how Gay MEN do not get "sufficient" romance options. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I don't feel the 'slap in the face' with crappy animation, for one example. I feel 'this game may not be worth the money' hesitations. 'Slap in the face' is a more personal, emotional thing that I can't avoid because it feels like, well, a *slap in the face*. It isn't all logical. I'm not being a rational actor.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 21, 2017 18:51:37 GMT
So you knew BioWare games as a non-dating simulator with light action and roleplaying elements, but you decided to embrace it wholeheartedly anyways. So now, instead of being correctly outraged at the failure of gameplay/animation/story, you're upset about how Gay MEN do not get "sufficient" romance options. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I don't feel the 'slap in the face' with crappy animation, for one example. I feel 'this game may not be worth the money' hesitations. 'Slap in the face' is a more personal, emotional thing that I can't avoid because it feels like, well, a *slap in the face*. It isn't all logical. I'm not being a rational actor. Personal emotions aside... I think it's fair to say that basically all fans got "shafted" by this game in some capacity.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 21, 2017 19:39:54 GMT
I don't go looking for good gay romances in video games because a. I prefer sex/romance with a real life personb. Most of the writers of these romances aren't gay in real life, so they don't understand and are winging it c. There is only so much "relationship" you can squeeze into 2 or 3 cutscenes. The only thing that bothers me is if they want you to experience 3 romances across all playthroughs then only give you 1 or 2 gay male options that count. a) Who's not? The romance, what was the least I like, wrote by a gay man. (I do not expect it to be like in real life. I just want to enjoy it.) c) It depends on the feeling. I like this 2-3 cutscene, or not.
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Post by L2 Sentinel on Mar 21, 2017 20:24:00 GMT
Kaidan is my favorite video game romance of all time, possibly my favorite in any media right now. I felt it was like a slow burn and it had huge payoff in ME3. I'm sure the reasons may have been to toss gays a bone, but it really worked for me. I totally agree! I think people who are saying "He suddenly realized he was bi" or whatever are making assumptions. He never said he was straight. The way I see it, he was always into John, even though they didn't act on it in the first game. They played out his and John's "friends to lovers" narrative very tastefully in ME3, I thought. So much so that I definitely felt their romance was better because they didn't get together in ME1. Kaidan goes after John in ME3 because he doesn't want to let another opportunity slip by. It's sweet. But Andromeda has nothing that compares to Kaidan, imo. I was hoping they would continue moving forward with gay male content, but this seems like a huge step backwards.
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Post by auronvigo on Mar 21, 2017 21:07:21 GMT
a) Who's not? The romance, what was the least I like, wrote by a gay man. (I do not expect it to be like in real life. I just want to enjoy it.) c) It depends on the feeling. I like this 2-3 cutscene, or not. I'm glad you liked the gay romances so far. I like them too. I just think they are written as well as can be expected, nothing more.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 21, 2017 21:40:37 GMT
I don't go looking for good gay romances in video games because a. I prefer sex/romance with a real life personb. Most of the writers of these romances aren't gay in real life, so they don't understand and are winging it c. There is only so much "relationship" you can squeeze into 2 or 3 cutscenes. The only thing that bothers me is if they want you to experience 3 romances across all playthroughs then only give you 1 or 2 gay male options that count. >States that he only prefers real life romances and sex >Proceeds to complain that non-real life "romances" in a dating simulators do not compare to real life romances Of course, the real kicker of your post is that you state that non gay people should never write gay characters because they "can't understand" the gayness. Clearly only men should write men because the lack of a penisclearly stops women from understanding men. Women should write women because men have a penis so clearly they suck. Gays should write gays because only they can understand the gayness, and lesbians should like lesbians since they possess the best knowledge on munching... The real issue is that they have shitty writers writing the characters, it has nothing to do with their gender, orientation, or whatever arbitrary trait you would prefer then to have. A shitty gay writer will still write a shitty gay character if his writing skills are lacking.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 21, 2017 22:03:51 GMT
I think need a good writer. This good writer will write good stories and good characters, good conflicts and good romances. Again: good writer, this the key. And this is what I want to experience in game.
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Post by medaifan on Mar 21, 2017 22:04:11 GMT
I know this rant it's childish, immature and a tantrum. but anyway; fuck bioware montreal, fuck them, andromeda is a flop and i hope EA cuts the studio in the near future, one of the few good things of bioware games where the queer romances and they fucked up with gil, reyes and don't having M/M squadmated and a male alien gay/bi romance, is pure fanservice i know, but aside of that, the game have little of value for me, the story is a disaster, and it seems all NPCs aside of jaal and vetra are uninteresting, i don't liked much the 10 hours i played the game and it seems the game don't gets better, they put the worst elements of inquisition (fench quest, MMO elements, etc.) without the good things of inquisition (characters, art style, etc.) they fucked up and i'm not going to support this game unless jaal is a bi romance, and why we are going to fool ourselves? jaal is straight thanks to the bioware montreal team, great job guys, they managed to piss off hardcore gamers doing a mediocre, mediocre mass effect game and their gay and bi male fans making jaal straight and queerbaiting him, and i'm sure a lot of people who are fans of bioware because of their queer romances are piss off with andromeda even if they are not gay or bi males, better to pander to dudebrogamers and put resources in cora's ass, i am right bioware? sorry, but i am pissed off, with bioware montreal right now, i'm still fan of mass effect universe and specially dragon age, i loved inquisition and i love dragon age lore, but i can't trust bioware like 8 years before, i can't trust them to make good games and i can't trust them to make good queer romances, after all the majority of people who made great bioware are gone, besides, people can call the new bioware ""sjw"" but it seems this bioware panders more to dude bros than the old bioware, i'm not going to support this attempt of mass effect. Go make your own queer game then. Good luck with sales. Go make your own Hetero game then. Good luck with sales. Really though that's a silly thing so say, just look at this message board... a good amount of the ME Fanbase are gay, now more than ever. Shafting the m/m fanbase can hurt sales. You would be b*tching if the devs included an achievement that every other orientation can obtain without being forced to change their sexuality, but straight men were forced to hook up with another man if they wanted to obtain the same achievement. I personally don't care about achievements, but add that with everything else; Fade to black love scenes for m/m(and at least 1 f/f that I know of) compared to the others who get legit love scene with generous nudity, no m/m squadmate, m/m romance options all being CC. Just to name a few. Coming from devs who tout their 'inclusiveness' and being proud of the romance distribution. It's kind of jarring for some fans who were lead to expect more, especially following DAI. They feel tacked on with no care put into them. Does this ruin the game for me? No, it's upsetting though. I planned on buying this for my best friend(who happens to be gay) but after all of the above he won't even let me waste $60 buck getting it for him. Now if you would excuse me, I have to go bang an entire galaxy.
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