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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:34:00 GMT
I think that was a mistake for at least the Gil relationship. Especially given the whole baby thing. Going from Zero to married with kids is just kind of off to me. Can you at least refuse to marry and adopt babies with him? I don't want to marry and have children...god, his romance arc sounds like a cheesy gay space soap opera. : / There is an alternate outcome for sure. I haven't decided which I'll pick yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:39:52 GMT
Can you at least refuse to marry and adopt babies with him? I don't want to marry and have children...god, his romance arc sounds like a cheesy gay space soap opera. : / There is an alternate outcome for sure. I haven't decided which I'll pick yet. Okay, I haven't played the game since I found out about our romance situation...hopefully the other outcome isn't something like "let's plan those things later". Because I know for sure, I really don't want children.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:42:13 GMT
There is an alternate outcome for sure. I haven't decided which I'll pick yet. Okay, I haven't played the game since I found out about our romance situation...hopefully the other outcome isn't something like "let's plan those things later". Because I know for sure, I really don't want children. I don't know all the details either yet, but it sounds like they agree to become uncles to the baby in question instead of dads. I'm an uncle in real life, so I kind of like the sounds of that honestly.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 25, 2017 11:43:27 GMT
Cause that never happens in real life, right? It's actually one of the few good and refreshing things in ME:A. The characters appear to have agency and desires of their own, instead of keeping their mouth shut and only showing interest if the player shows interest. Since this is the first game to do so, I cannot criticize, but something tells me BW would never make this scenario happen with a male character who comes onto other men. That's just the thing that might annoy people, this is all about equal portrayal of orientations and characters. Fair enough. I would say though that a woman approaching a gay man seems to be far more common than a gay man approaching a straight dude. Somehow most gay men can just smell if you're gay or straight from a mile away, I dunno how they do that because I'm not gay, just outrageous. :^) I think I've had exactly 1 gay dude hitting on me in my whole life, but he was an innocent lil 16 years old chap, so I guess he simply didn't have a fully evolved gaydar yet. :^)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:45:31 GMT
Okay, I haven't played the game since I found out about our romance situation...hopefully the other outcome isn't something like "let's plan those things later". Because I know for sure, I really don't want children. I don't know all the details either yet, but it sounds like they agree to become uncles to the baby in question instead of dads. I'm an uncle in real life, so I kind of like the sounds of that honestly. Personally, it's one more reason for me to not play the game, when this is our only romance option... I think it should at least be optional to adopt children or play their uncle... no offense, I'm glad you like this outcome... it just feels forced to me... I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:48:43 GMT
I don't know all the details either yet, but it sounds like they agree to become uncles to the baby in question instead of dads. I'm an uncle in real life, so I kind of like the sounds of that honestly. Personally, it's one more reason for me to not play the game, when this is our only romance option... I think it should at least be optional to adopt children or play their uncle... no offense, I'm glad you like this outcome... it just feels forced to me... I don't know. I understand. It wouldn't be so bad to have such a unique romance experience in the game if we had many options to pick from, but when Gil's the only full option in the game-it sort of sucks if you aren't okay with the outcome.
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 25, 2017 12:13:17 GMT
Since this is the first game to do so, I cannot criticize, but something tells me BW would never make this scenario happen with a male character who comes onto other men. That's just the thing that might annoy people, this is all about equal portrayal of orientations and characters. Fair enough. I would say though that a woman approaching a gay man seems to be far more common than a gay man approaching a straight dude. Somehow most gay men can just smell if you're gay or straight from a mile away, I dunno how they do that because I'm not gay, just outrageous. :^) I think I've had exactly 1 gay dude hitting on me in my whole life, but he was an innocent lil 16 years old chap, so I guess he simply didn't have a fully evolved gaydar yet. :^) "Gaydar" doesn't really exist. It's usually just people subconsciously projecting stereotypes on others. Of course, some of the time you're going to be right with that but there's no real way to figure out whether a guy is attracted to other men or not short of a) asking them (assuming they won't lie about it) or putting some gay porn in front of them and monitoring their brain activity or measuring their physical level of arousal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 12:16:18 GMT
Fair enough. I would say though that a woman approaching a gay man seems to be far more common than a gay man approaching a straight dude. Somehow most gay men can just smell if you're gay or straight from a mile away, I dunno how they do that because I'm not gay, just outrageous. :^) I think I've had exactly 1 gay dude hitting on me in my whole life, but he was an innocent lil 16 years old chap, so I guess he simply didn't have a fully evolved gaydar yet. :^) "Gaydar" doesn't really exist. It's usually just people subconsciously projecting stereotypes on others. Of course, some of the time you're going to be right with that but there's no real way to figure out whether a guy is attracted to other men or not short of a) asking them (assuming they won't lie about it) or putting some gay porn in front of them and monitoring their brain activity or measuring their physical level of arousal. Recurring eye contact can sometimes be a hint as well. Not always, but sometimes.
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Post by saga on Mar 25, 2017 12:50:35 GMT
I dunno. I think that "gaydar" is really just the ability to pay attention to things like behavioral cues, frequent visual signifiers amongst a group, deductive reasoning, etc. And some stereotyping, too. But having said that, I personally do think it can exist in a way. Obviously it's not some sort of inborn magic or anything, but speaking based on my own experiences, I think some (many?) queer people have or can develop the ability to pick out other queers with a greater than chance accuracy. I mean, I think I have "gaydar" to some degree, at least with women. But it's just my personal experience - other opinions are equally valid as no one can speak for anyone else on the matter. Also, 1000x YES on repeated eye contact. Of course, that isn't to say that anyone can 100% tell someone else's sexuality just by looking at them. I mean, you can't know for sure unless you ask, as was stated. After all, people can almost never tell with me. They rarely figure out I'm a lesbian - apparently I read as either a mystery or, more frequently, asexual/nonsexual. Anyways! Back on topic, regarding Gil's romance: It's interesting to see the wide range of opinions about Gil's romance and the child with Jill. I can see where a lot of players would dislike the fact that you seem to have to either be a father or an uncle. Though I do applaud the fact that Gil has a goal separate from the player - it makes him seem like he has more autonomy, and his own desires and wishes. That's a step forward for characterization, though I can see why there are mixed opinions about the implementation of it.
Personally, I think it'd be nice if other romances had an option for children as well instead of just Gil. Albeit, maybe in later games when Ryder is a bit older and more settled into their place in the universe. I want kids IRL, so it'd be cool for me to have an MC who could have that option, even if it's just a little blurb in the epilogue or whatever.
I think Vetra would be a pretty good parent, for one. Why not give the player the choice of adopting? Though of course I wouldn't want anything forced on the player, and maybe it would be be brought up by Ryder so players with no interest in such content could avoid the topic altogether.
... Sorry. I'm just fantasizing. I always thought Liara and my Femshep could have had some damn cute Asari babies if not for the galaxy being under imminent attack, so this is a feature I've been wanting for a while.
If nothing else, can't we at least adopt a pet pyjack together with our LI or something? Save
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 25, 2017 13:28:58 GMT
I dunno. I think that "gaydar" is really just the ability to pay attention to things like behavioral cues, frequent visual signifiers amongst a group, deductive reasoning, etc. And some stereotyping, too. But having said that, I personally do think it can exist in a way. Obviously it's not some sort of inborn magic or anything, but speaking based on my own experiences, I think some (many?) queer people have or can develop the ability to pick out other queers with a greater than chance accuracy. I mean, I think I have "gaydar" to some degree, at least with women. But it's just my personal experience - other opinions are equally valid as no one can speak for anyone else on the matter. Also, 1000x YES on repeated eye contact. Of course, that isn't to say that anyone can 100% tell someone else's sexuality just by looking at them. I mean, you can't know for sure unless you ask, as was stated. After all, people can almost never tell with me. They rarely figure out I'm a lesbian - apparently I read as either a mystery or, more frequently, asexual/nonsexual. But what those "visual cues" and "signifiers" are is often times going to be based on stereotypes which, I'm not saying that necessarily as a bad thing. We all use stereotypes in our daily lives and they can be incredibly helpful so long as we're aware of them and of the fact that they're not universally true. However, the only such signifiers I could think of that aren't based on stereotypes to some degree would be the aforementioned eye contact (which can be misleading), seeing someone check out a member of the same sex (again, not necessarily foolproof) or seeing them actually engage in some sort of same-sex sexual activity (in this context, lets extend that term to include stuff like kissing on the lips and hand-holding). (EDIT: I forgot the location. For example, if you meet someone in a gay bar, there's obviously a higher-than-average chance of them being into the same sex .) Like I said, with stereotypes (and I'm not even talking about traditional stereotypes, just your own personal stereotypes) you can still be right a lot of the time because, especially when your personal stereotypes are based on a large sample of real-life experiences, those stereotypes may very well apply to large parts of the respective group. However, there will always be people who slip through the cracks one way or another. (Sorry for all this off-topic stuff. Just wanted to clarify what I meant by stereotypes in this context.) Did we end up coming to an agreement regarding the hashtag for the letter campaign?
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Post by leomerya12 on Mar 25, 2017 13:48:16 GMT
I'd love to hear why you don't think there are any biases in their developmental decisions. That BioWare placed their romances on gender, not sexual orientation. Although if there's anyone you should be pissed at it's those women, this is the second game in a row when WOMEN not MEN have had more romance options than "the gays". Then again, the only arguments here by the "hated gays"are strawman fallacy arguments. It is also highly amusing that many people here were against the harassment of the Fake Lead Animator, but will willingly harass BioWare as a whole over the supposed "mistreatment/insult" to "the gays". Imagine going to a bakery, and paying $3 for a chocolate chip cookie, but the cookie they give you is a day old, or it has hardly any chips. Yet, the next person, who also paid $3 got new cookies that were fresh and with the right amount of chips. How would you feel? Monetarily it just doesn't make sense to pay full-price for an inferior experience. The only way it would make sense is if BioWare gave their Gaymers a discount for a discount experience; but we know that's not going to happen.I won't buy from them again, because paying full-price ( even if it's on sale, because it's on sale for EVERYBODY) for an inferior experience is ludicrous. First off, that's a strawman fallacy. Congratulations. Second, they shouldn't just give "the gays" a discount, they should give everyone a discount seeing as Andromeda is actually a flawed product. From an egalitarian standpoint, there really isn't any substance to an argument saying that "the gays" should be treated better than everyone else, especially after you've fought so hard to be treated the same. I appreciate the response, Lorn. You did not understand the point of my analogy. It is not a strawman fallacy, it is an analogy. A strawman fallacy would be me saying, "because gays are not treated equally in society, they deserve discounts on everything". You also didn't understand that I wasn't asking for an actual discount. Regardless, I'll elaborate: Gays have the inferior experience. As flawed as the project is, overall, it is all the more flawed for us. An analogy: Straights and Lesbians are complaining about BioWare's misshapen cakes, but ours (gays) are misshapen and don't have any frosting. What would motivate me to pay the same price (even if it is on sale) as everyone else?
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Post by Panda on Mar 25, 2017 14:06:52 GMT
Someone needs to tweet this to the developers. Huge misinformation about straight women romances. Javik and Vega are not romancable. One half-flirtatious like can not be counted even as a fling. Not to mention, that one of the romance is a cheater and breaks up, one is dying (obviously breaks up) and all of them have to be started in previous games to get them in ME3 or your FemShepard will be alone. You simply counted all males in a team and named them "straight romances". Well it has Samara and Morinth as LIs as well so it's not completely untrue. You can have sex with both Javik and Vega, I think that's definition of fling.
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Post by musely on Mar 25, 2017 15:09:54 GMT
Someone needs to tweet this to the developers. You forgot Diana Allers on female Player side. She's bi. And if Javik counts you should also add Shiala or what her name was (that Asari in the first game). Sorry about that! I'm the one who created that romance chart in the first place. I've attached the corrected version. Enjoy! Also, the reason I didn't add Shiala is because this romance chart was created using the information given from the Mass Effect wiki in the Romance section.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 25, 2017 16:45:10 GMT
Once again Witcher sex scenes kills ME:A cinematics of romance.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 25, 2017 17:35:02 GMT
Well some of that is because there is no m/m romances in ME1 and ME2. When people complained about that devs gave a excuse that Shepard is predefined character who is straight. The problem with this was that fem!shep was able to have f/f romances with Liara and Kelly in those games so clearly fem!shep wasn't predefined straight. They tried to claim that Asari aren't women and fem!shep's romance with Liara wasn't lesbian one, but couldn't come up with excuse with Kelly so they had to submit to defeat and finally had 2 m/m options in ME3. Overall even with ME3 and now with ME:A it seems like m/m romances are after thought. Reyes is bisexual LI, but his f/m side is lot more polished animation-wise and if you romance him with Scott Vetra will refer you as his queen- it really seems like they just forgot to record that line for Scott's romance and used Sara's romance line with both. Gil also has crewmate has less romance content than squadmate LIs and there is prove in the code of the game from datamining that Jaal was supposed to be bisexual at some point, but that m/m romance was cut off. LOL they really fought it that hard in the previous MEs? Thats so disheartening...I really thought bioware did not operate like that. It really just seems like the only reason Dorian from DA:I was even a thing was because the game was the brainchild of a gay man. You get called a queen in ME:A? No...you lying... They really call you a queen? There has been same-sex and m/m content in Dragon Age since DAO. Dorian wasn't the first m/m LI in the series. Can anyone here really deny that Dragon Age has always been ahead of Mass Effect where that's concerned? Also, according to DG's own description of events, Dorian's character and sexuality was determined in a general way as they were discussing these things as a team. Only after all of that, when writing assignments were handed out, did he take the role of writing that character (which he admittedly wanted). It has been very clear that the DA and ME teams have different values where that's concerned. Multiple members of the team (not just David Gaider) posted on the forums during the DA2 times, stating things like how there will not be a sexuality toggle, telling people to get over it, and that sort of thing. I don't deny that DG had his influence, but it wasn't just up to HIM, and if he had been the lone voice arguing for these things, and they didn't want to put them into the games, then they wouldn't be in there.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 25, 2017 17:58:55 GMT
I'd love to hear why you don't think there are any biases in their developmental decisions. That BioWare placed their romances on gender, not sexual orientation. Although if there's anyone you should be pissed at it's those women, this is the second game in a row when WOMEN not MEN have had more romance options than "the gays". Then again, the only arguments here by the "hated gays"are strawman fallacy arguments. It is also highly amusing that many people here were against the harassment of the Fake Lead Animator, but will willingly harass BioWare as a whole over the supposed "mistreatment/insult" to "the gays". First off, I haven't seen anyone "harass" the developers. Pointing out the double standard isn't harassment. It's giving feedback, like how women pointing out there were no Sara cinematic trailers was pointing out a double standard. Secondly, straight men have more options than straight women, so your argument makes no sense.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 25, 2017 18:26:11 GMT
Huge misinformation about straight women romances. Javik and Vega are not romancable. One half-flirtatious like can not be counted even as a fling. Not to mention, that one of the romance is a cheater and breaks up, one is dying (obviously breaks up) and all of them have to be started in previous games to get them in ME3 or your FemShepard will be alone. You simply counted all males in a team and named them "straight romances". Well it has Samara and Morinth as LIs as well so it's not completely untrue. You can have sex with both Javik and Vega, I think that's definition of fling. You probably can have something with them in DLC that many people never ever played. It never articulated or truly shown. I would not count it even as a one night stand. To call it a "romance" is huge exaggeration.
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Post by Panda on Mar 25, 2017 18:28:20 GMT
Well it has Samara and Morinth as LIs as well so it's not completely untrue. You can have sex with both Javik and Vega, I think that's definition of fling. You probably can have something with them in DLC that many people never ever played. It never articulated or truly shown. I would not count it even as a one night stand. To call it a "romance" is huge exaggeration. It's not being called romance, it's called fling or side romance if you look at chart. Chart was apparently made by using mass effect wikia's romance page so it followed that listing- creator of it commented about that in other thread.
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Post by rafflesz on Mar 25, 2017 18:33:56 GMT
LOL they really fought it that hard in the previous MEs? Thats so disheartening...I really thought bioware did not operate like that. It really just seems like the only reason Dorian from DA:I was even a thing was because the game was the brainchild of a gay man. You get called a queen in ME:A? No...you lying... They really call you a queen? There has been same-sex and m/m content in Dragon Age since DAO. Dorian wasn't the first m/m LI in the series. Can anyone here really deny that Dragon Age has always been ahead of Mass Effect where that's concerned? Also, according to DG's own description of events, Dorian's character and sexuality was determined in a general way as they were discussing these things as a team. Only after all of that, when writing assignments were handed out, did he take the role of writing that character (which he admittedly wanted). It has been very clear that the DA and ME teams have different values where that's concerned. Multiple members of the team (not just David Gaider) posted on the forums during the DA2 times, stating things like how there will not be a sexuality toggle, telling people to get over it, and that sort of thing. I don't deny that DG had his influence, but it wasn't just up to HIM, and if he had been the lone voice arguing for these things, and they didn't want to put them into the games, then they wouldn't be in there. I still think that a lot of influence came from the fact that David Gaider was the lead writer and the fact that DA was his baby. How could they do something like they did with ME:A if the boss was a gay dude himself... I had believed Bioware to be an inclusive company overall. But then ME:A comes out and we are seeing that its actually teams specifically within Bioware that are inclusive. Cheryl Chee had to go against the ME:A team to get them to make Vetra a romance option for women. They had wanted her to be just for male Ryder and that's it. By now I don't need to say anything more about the m/m romances, but well, getting called a queen is all that really needs to be said. Its become very clear that if this dev team had worked for anyone else there would have been no content for male gaymers. But they had to have something because Bioware has milked the 'inclusive' title quite a bit. To really have nothing would just have made Bioware look like they were just pandering and obviously that's horrible PR. So that's something at least...I guess.
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Post by benji1123 on Mar 25, 2017 18:36:56 GMT
That is legit disrespectful. Wheres that boycott thread? I'm joining It's full of people calling the OP an idiot, so not going well. lol Actually, as the OP of the boycott thread, no one has called me an idiot. I have been called a princess, a special snowflake, and a drama queen, but not an idiot. A moderator (sofajockey) has asked me to "stop embarrassing the community" by expressing the idea (while being silent on the name-callling and unflattering guesses about my "lonely" personal life. I feel it is unfortunate that asking for equal content to better enjoy the game is seen as seeing special treatment or grounds to disrespect others. Maybe only a minority of ME fans share my view that the game would appeal to more buyers of it had a wider choice of content.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 25, 2017 19:00:08 GMT
It's full of people calling the OP an idiot, so not going well. lol Actually, as the OP of the boycott thread, no one has called me an idiot. I have been called a princess, a special snowflake, and a drama queen, but not an idiot. A moderator (sofajockey) has asked me to "stop embarrassing the community" by expressing the idea (while being silent on the name-callling and unflattering guesses about my "lonely" personal life. I feel it is unfortunate that asking for equal content to better enjoy the game is seen as seeing special treatment or grounds to disrespect others. Maybe only a minority of ME fans share my view that the game would appeal to more buyers of it had a wider choice of content. You should join us in the romance thread which is more friendly. I saw some of those comments and it surprises me that mods hadn't done anything about it, which is very unfortunate, I expected more really. This thread is toxic for my taste too, so join us in the salty romance thread, there are good people there, salty but good people
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Post by caladrius on Mar 25, 2017 19:10:59 GMT
It's full of people calling the OP an idiot, so not going well. lol Actually, as the OP of the boycott thread, no one has called me an idiot. I have been called a princess, a special snowflake, and a drama queen, but not an idiot. A moderator (sofajockey) has asked me to "stop embarrassing the community" by expressing the idea (while being silent on the name-callling and unflattering guesses about my "lonely" personal life. I feel it is unfortunate that asking for equal content to better enjoy the game is seen as seeing special treatment or grounds to disrespect others. Maybe only a minority of ME fans share my view that the game would appeal to more buyers of it had a wider choice of content. I'm sorry about the way people have treated you. It's not absurd or entitled to refuse to buy a product because they skimped on the reason you enjoy it, and enjoying the combat system, crafting or some other system isn't objectively more "right" than buying Bioware games because of their unique romance system. Bioware games are some of the few mainstream media where gay men can see a story where they can be the hero. It means a lot to the community and it's disappointing when maybe the only game this year that can potentially feature a gay male protagonist skimps us on content. Other people just don't understand, because they aren't in a situation where this was their only chance to see representation of their demographic for a long time. But, like another poster said, this forum can be pretty hostile. The romance thread in the spoiler forum is more inviting, if you just want to chat or vent. I know a lot of the forum regulars will be more welcoming. We discussed the other day in that thread how we were shocked by the aggressive response to your thread.
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Post by leadintea on Mar 25, 2017 19:39:20 GMT
Its become very clear that if this dev team had worked for anyone else there would have been no content for male gaymers. But they had to have something because Bioware has milked the 'inclusive' title quite a bit. To really have nothing would just have made Bioware look like they were just pandering and obviously that's horrible PR. So that's something at least...I guess. Thank you! This is exactly how I feel about the ME team. These guys don't really care for gay guys, they just do as little work as possible to try and fit their gay "quota". It sounds paranoid, but I've been getting this vibe from them with how they treated gay romances in the MET and hearing just how "bro" their workplace really is. However, to be frank, I don't really care for the ME series like that, so as long as the DA series gives me better gay characters and content (which I know we will, especially under Weekes), I'm fine with Bioware touting their inclusivity propaganda, regardless of how well it's actually implemented in their games.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 25, 2017 19:48:44 GMT
Okay I decided to send an email to Patricia of Kotaku. Did I get anything wildly wrong in trying to summarize the situation? Hello, Off and on I've been considering responding to this. I don't tend to broadcast which way I swing so while I'm not closeted I don't go out of my way to discuss it either. In the end I decided to reply though. Sorry if this is too long to read. I'll go over two things, first about Jaal then the general situation. I'll admit while I felt snubbed the Twitter campaign surprised me: twitter.com/hashtag/makejaalbi?f=tweets&vertical=defaultThere are a few key facts shaping my thoughts on the #MakeJaalBi Twitter thing and general outrage. Firstly when they first unveiled Jaal there was some general hype over a new alien, but in the time between that and release they teased him incessantly. What made this weird is they said they wouldn't talk about which way characters swing, or whether they could be romanced in game, yet kept the teasing. Example: (In combination with the Aaryn Flynn tweet it's replying to.) Now nothing in that teasing says who it's directed to but when specifically asked they always said they couldn't say. There are many other tweets and statements spoiling bits and pieces of the character's personality that made people freak out with hype too. So when the early access started people data mined, and even posters on the BSN fan boards who urged caution thought he was definitely bi. A random sample of the jubilation: bsn.boards.net/post/409218/threadA post explaining with pictures (under the spoiler) why they thought he's bi (note that it's right for everyone else): bsn.boards.net/post/408420/threadThen around Saturday they couldn't find any voice files, so people started to worry (random example of the rising panic): bsn.boards.net/post/422589/threadIf I understand the data mining topic (and a disclaimer that I might not 100% have a handle on it) Jaal is bi in the code with his dialogs having Scott as a valid romance partner, except it turns out his first flirt was cut from the game for both Sara and Scott. Some were speculating the game treats it as if Sara did flirt and that Scott did not, and that if Scott did it would probably break due to incomplete data. *Regardless* of any of that though, it's strange that Jaal's files look like he's bi and the mining was correct for everyone else. To make matters worse, even several reviews suggested Jaal was bi. It turns out they probably confused friendship stuff with romance. They (developers) said they wouldn't have characters string people along with flirts if there was no chance, but it turns out Scott can't attempt to flirt at all. For the other straight characters, it's possible to be told by the characters they aren't interested. Just when they decided to make Jaal straight is a huge question mark because of all that. Lastly on the Jaal topic when you see usernames with "†" tacked on on the BSN fan boards it's due to the IGN guide. When the embargo lifted IGN very quickly put a guide up and the romance section got a few things wrong. Those were quickly corrected, and soon " †" appeared by characters IGN wasn't sure about. Hilariously for a time that included Liam who was known to be straight for a long time. Jaal had the "†" by his name for quite some time and it wasn't until an anonymous dev told a couple reviewers that he's straight that people were sure what the truth was, because the Prima guide actually erroneously said Kaiden was straight in Mass Effect 3. It became something of a small meme to include "†" in the username in sarcastic response to the situation. Now to be fair to the IGN editor, she very quickly said she'd find out if Jaal was straight asap while that was going on. Okay onto the situation in general, there are a few factors and not everyone feels exactly the same way. There is a certain media pattern when trying not to annoy straight males . I'm not saying EA/Bioware did this but it's a laundry list and every check box (other than not having LGBT characters at all) was checked: 1.) All nudity is either in the context of m/f or f/f scenes, or is played for laughs. Female nudity being for titillation and male nudity being for laughs is a long standing pattern in media in general. 2.) This is the third or fourth time a character looked to be bi in the files but turned out straight for Bioware. I don't know how many of those were confirmed directly by Bioware though. I think it's the third time for Mass Effect, the first in the first game the second with Thane in the second game. They actually did make Kaiden bi in Mass Effect 3, unlike in the first game. 3.) All m/m romantic prospects in the game do not use uniquely modeled faces. 4.) Of the two, neither is in the squad and one of them isn't even on the Tempest. 5.) In the squad there are f/f relationships. It may be unfair, but it could be taken the wrong way as if they were trying to not gross out straight males with m/m content, while (perhaps unfairly to straight and bi males) f/f is assumed to be titillating for some of them. 6.) The achievement thing I don't personally take issue with but it's just another thing on the list. Of the two potential m/m romances, I'm not sure if both even count for the achievement. They may, but even if they did that's 2/3. Like I said I don't personally take issue with it and it's just one of many things. Jaal and the achievement get the most attention when it's the overall situation that is so infuriating. Here is a fan chart laying everything out pattern wise: Where the creator posted it: bsn.boards.net/post/460984/threadDirect link: pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tRWyqVAAAk-NB.jpg:largeNote there is an old version of that chart floating around, with the mistake they note in the post I linked to. It seems to link to a twitter image, but I don't know the creator's twitter to get the actual Tweet. There seems to be clear circumstantial bias against m/m relationships in the Mass Effect series even while strides have been made for inclusion, and that as a whole is what is fueling the achievement drama and #MakeJaalBi. If you actually made it through that thanks. I know it was probably overly long. Here's where she asked: I forgot to link to this topic. That's a major facepalm for me. Granted it's such a wall a text as is I don't know if she could read it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 25, 2017 19:55:45 GMT
^ Oh wow. I like Patricia's reporting and I think she will do a pretty good piece on it.
[edit] Also, thanks for the explanation of the cross symbol on usernames. The more you know.gif.
[edit2] I hope Patricia's tweet is being posted everywhere (I'm really only following this thread). I think that is one of the more productive things fans can do right now, as Kotaku is a known name in gaming press.
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