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Post by caladrius on Mar 25, 2017 7:52:53 GMT
Vetra says if Reyes is king of Kadara, does that make you queen. You can reply, "maybe something less fancy than a queen, like a consort or something", and she'll say you at least deserve to be a baroness. That is legit disrespectful. Wheres that boycott thread? I'm joining It's full of people calling the OP an idiot, so not going well. lol
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Post by rafflesz on Mar 25, 2017 8:08:40 GMT
I'd love to hear why you don't think there are any biases in their developmental decisions. That BioWare placed their romances on gender, not sexual orientation. Although if there's anyone you should be pissed at it's those women, this is the second game in a row when WOMEN not MEN have had more romance options than "the gays". Then again, the only arguments here by the "hated gays"are strawman fallacy arguments. It is also highly amusing that many people here were against the harassment of the Fake Lead Animator, but will willingly harass BioWare as a whole over the supposed "mistreatment/insult" to "the gays". Imagine going to a bakery, and paying $3 for a chocolate chip cookie, but the cookie they give you is a day old, or it has hardly any chips. Yet, the next person, who also paid $3 got new cookies that were fresh and with the right amount of chips. How would you feel? Monetarily it just doesn't make sense to pay full-price for an inferior experience. The only way it would make sense is if BioWare gave their Gaymers a discount for a discount experience; but we know that's not going to happen.I won't buy from them again, because paying full-price ( even if it's on sale, because it's on sale for EVERYBODY) for an inferior experience is ludicrous. First off, that's a strawman fallacy. Congratulations. Second, they shouldn't just give "the gays" a discount, they should give everyone a discount seeing as Andromeda is actually a flawed product. From an egalitarian standpoint, there really isn't any substance to an argument saying that "the gays" should be treated better than everyone else, especially after you've fought so hard to be treated the same. Tbh I have no idea what youre saying lol. People have voiced their discontent with what is a very stark disparity in the content two different groups of gamers received when it comes to romances. No one is harassing Bioware or talking about being insulted really. Most people are just supremely disappointed and they are venting. Btw what you keep referring to as strawman is just people making comparison that you're not really refuting. Youre calling them a 'fallacy' so that you can disregard them. But I'll give you one thing; you're so right bruh, gays get equal treatment. Its so equal that we get called a queen for being in a romance with another dude. Seriously like everyday that goes by another negative thing about these romances is discovered. The love scenes for everyone but m/m, being able to romance both gil and reyes without the gaming even noticing, getting called a queen. How did that queen thing get through... Queen? I'm still kinda just side eyeing here...
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Post by Gaston on Mar 25, 2017 8:15:50 GMT
That BioWare placed their romances on gender, not sexual orientation. Although if there's anyone you should be pissed at it's those women, this is the second game in a row when WOMEN not MEN have had more romance options than "the gays". Then again, the only arguments here by the "hated gays"are strawman fallacy arguments. It is also highly amusing that many people here were against the harassment of the Fake Lead Animator, but will willingly harass BioWare as a whole over the supposed "mistreatment/insult" to "the gays". First off, that's a strawman fallacy. Congratulations. Second, they shouldn't just give "the gays" a discount, they should give everyone a discount seeing as Andromeda is actually a flawed product. From an egalitarian standpoint, there really isn't any substance to an argument saying that "the gays" should be treated better than everyone else, especially after you've fought so hard to be treated the same. Tbh I have no idea what youre saying lol. People have voiced their discontent with what is a very stark disparity in the content two different groups of gamers received when it comes to romances. No one is harassing Bioware or talking about being insulted really. Most people are just supremely disappointed and they are venting. Btw what you keep referring to as strawman is just people making comparison that you're not really refuting. Youre calling them a 'fallacy' so that you can disregard them. But I'll give you one thing; you're so right bruh, gays get equal treatment. Its so equal that we get called a queen for being in a romance with another dude. Seriously like everyday that goes by another negative thing about these romances is discovered. The love scenes for everyone but m/m, being able to romance both gil and reyes without the gaming even noticing, getting called a queen. How did that queen thing get through... Queen? I'm still kinda just side eyeing here... Oh darling, don't you know that some queer dudes love being called queen? You're such an innocent little princess, aren't you darling?
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 25, 2017 9:01:43 GMT
This queen thing is legit? Well FUCK... Everyday I just feel more and more annoyed. And here I thought I could be fine with Reyes.
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Post by leadintea on Mar 25, 2017 9:45:39 GMT
This queen thing is legit? Well FUCK... Everyday I just feel more and more annoyed. And here I thought I could be fine with Reyes. Yeah, I've really been trying to take all of this in stride and not throw a fit, but it's clear that they gave 0 fucks for the gay romances. I mean, it costs absolutely nothing but a few seconds to re-record a handful of lines 2 times with pronoun changes for the romance. They did it for the entire game, but somehow couldn't be bothered to do it for these specific lines? No. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 25, 2017 9:56:28 GMT
This queen thing is legit? Well FUCK... Everyday I just feel more and more annoyed. And here I thought I could be fine with Reyes. Yeah, I've really been trying to take all of this in stride and not throw a fit, but it's clear that they gave 0 fucks for the gay romances. I mean, it costs absolutely nothing but a few seconds to re-record a handful of lines 2 times with pronoun changes for the romance. They did it for the entire game, but somehow couldn't be bothered to do it for these specific lines? No. It's absolutely ridiculous. They already underachieved with the m/m romances, and they couldn't even polish Reyes enough. What a crock of shit, really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 10:00:03 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes!
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Post by shepherdcommander on Mar 25, 2017 10:08:32 GMT
I agree the distribution is totally unfair. Gay Scott has two human options while Straight Scott is stuck with just Cora. That is a gay/straight ratio of 2/1! which is equal to the ratio 4/2! thats right up there with all your 2/5/5/3's and 2/4/4/2's!
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Post by Panda on Mar 25, 2017 10:21:08 GMT
I agree the distribution is totally unfair. Gay Scott has two human options while Straight Scott is stuck with just Cora. That is a gay/straight ratio of 2/1! which is equal to the ratio 4/2! thats right up there with all your 2/5/5/3's and 2/4/4/2's! my world view crumblesWhy troll?
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 25, 2017 10:26:20 GMT
I agree the distribution is totally unfair. Gay Scott has two human options while Straight Scott is stuck with just Cora. That is a gay/straight ratio of 2/1! which is equal to the ratio 4/2! thats right up there with all your 2/5/5/3's and 2/4/4/2's! my world view crumblesWho plays ME to bang humans lol. :lmfao:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 10:26:53 GMT
I just wish they would give us a statement whether they will work on this problem "now" or "in the next game". I don't want to wait years again for the next Mass Effect just to have a proper romance option... : (
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Post by shepherdcommander on Mar 25, 2017 10:30:38 GMT
I agree the distribution is totally unfair. Gay Scott has two human options while Straight Scott is stuck with just Cora. That is a gay/straight ratio of 2/1! which is equal to the ratio 4/2! thats right up there with all your 2/5/5/3's and 2/4/4/2's! my world view crumblesWhy troll? because I saw another thread about how there were no alien options for gay men and it made me think about it, then I saw a 19 page thread on the subject. I honestly dont understand why they would not make gay aliens (or more straight female humans), I honestly feel this way. its just more cut content i would guess. I turned it into a joke because its really not serious, its a game, so I don't blame you for the troll comment. no hard feelings. but also dont be too serious. EDIT: I like the comment below: Lets take it to the EXTREME!!! ALL EXCLUSIONS NO INCLUSIONS!! RAAA
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 25, 2017 10:34:02 GMT
because I saw another thread about how there were no alien options for gay men and it made me think about it, then I saw a 19 page thread on the subject. I honestly dont understand why they would not make more gay aliens (or straight female humans), I honestly feel this way. its just more cut content i would guess. I turned it into a joke because its really not serious, its a game, so I don't blame you for the troll comment. no hard feelings. but also dont be too serious. I hope the next game has nothing but gay male aliens and straight female humans. That'd be excellent.
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 25, 2017 10:36:10 GMT
You think 19 pages is a lot? Have a look at the Character Romance thread in the spoiler section. We've filled a few hundred pages about almost exclusively this subject over there . (Not the whole thread, obviously, but I'd guess at least most of the stuff from page 600/700 to page 1000?)
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Post by Gaston on Mar 25, 2017 10:37:10 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Cause that never happens in real life, right? It's actually one of the few good and refreshing things in ME:A. The characters appear to have agency and desires of their own, instead of keeping their mouth shut and only showing interest if the player shows interest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 10:43:54 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Cause that never happens in real life, right? It's actually one of the few good and refreshing things in ME:A. The characters appear to have agency and desires of their own, instead of keeping their mouth shut and only showing interest if the player shows interest. While it does happen in real life. It almost always sucks-especially if you have discouraged someone's advances at every chance like I did with Peebee. It's just not good writing in my book. They would never let a guy hit on Scott like that without us initiating the relationship first for that matter.
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Post by saga on Mar 25, 2017 10:52:38 GMT
Oh wow, I can't believe they forgot to change Vetra's lines for a male romancing Reyes... I mean, I think they just forgot. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity lack of QA, right?
But yikes. Considering the historical baggage that comes with calling gay men "queens," the error feels especially jarring.
Also, what's up with putting "the gays" in quotes? Are they air quotes, to suggest that gay people don't actually exist? Or are they meant to denote our "specialness?" It's coming off as pretty rude, not to mention nonsensical.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 25, 2017 11:06:24 GMT
Someone needs to tweet this to the developers. Huge misinformation about straight women romances. Javik and Vega are not romancable. One half-flirtatious like can not be counted even as a fling. Not to mention, that one of the romance is a cheater and breaks up, one is dying (obviously breaks up) and all of them have to be started in previous games to get them in ME3 or your FemShepard will be alone. You simply counted all males in a team and named them "straight romances".
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 25, 2017 11:06:38 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Cause that never happens in real life, right? It's actually one of the few good and refreshing things in ME:A. The characters appear to have agency and desires of their own, instead of keeping their mouth shut and only showing interest if the player shows interest. Since this is the first game to do so, I cannot criticize, but something tells me BW would never make this scenario happen with a male character who comes onto other men. That's just the thing that might annoy people, this is all about equal portrayal of orientations and characters.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 25, 2017 11:12:59 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Does this happen when you are already in a relationship?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2017 11:14:44 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Does this happen when you are already in a relationship? At that time you aren't really able to be locked into another relationship but yes it still happens if you are courting someone else. PeeBee talks about how it doesn't matter if you are with someone else, since she can be utterly discreet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:17:15 GMT
So...I was warned ahead of time about a thing that happens with PeeBee, but still... it really sucks that even if you never flirt with Peebee despite how obvious she is about liking you-she still comes out and asks you to have sex with her, and when you turn her down she looks really hurt...and I don't get why that was even a thing. Ugh, I just don't understand the writing in this game sometimes! Does this happen when you are already in a relationship? I think so, she even says "even if you have someone else, I can keep it secret." I am not locked in with Gil yet though, cause I can't be till after I complete the next to last mission. I have no idea why the game requires you to go so very very far into it before you can get into that relationship. Are the others the same?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2017 11:20:26 GMT
Does this happen when you are already in a relationship? I think so, she even says "even if you have someone else, I can keep it secret." I am not locked in with Gil yet though, cause I can't be till after I complete the next to last mission. I have no idea why the game requires you to go so very very far into it before you can get into that relationship. Are the others the same? Yes, all the romance options lock in pretty late into the game. The only exceptions are the ones who can be casual as well, but even they wait until late in the game to become serious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:23:41 GMT
I think so, she even says "even if you have someone else, I can keep it secret." I am not locked in with Gil yet though, cause I can't be till after I complete the next to last mission. I have no idea why the game requires you to go so very very far into it before you can get into that relationship. Are the others the same? Yes, all the romance options lock in pretty late into the game. The only exceptions are the ones who can be casual as well, but even they wait until late in the game to become serious. I think that was a mistake for at least the Gil relationship. Especially given the whole baby thing. Going from Zero to married with kids is just kind of off to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:30:30 GMT
Yes, all the romance options lock in pretty late into the game. The only exceptions are the ones who can be casual as well, but even they wait until late in the game to become serious. I think that was a mistake for at least the Gil relationship. Especially given the whole baby thing. Going from Zero to married with kids is just kind of off to me. Can you at least refuse to marry and adopt babies with him? I don't want to marry and have children...god, his romance arc sounds like a cheesy gay space soap opera. : /
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