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Post by atricks on Mar 21, 2017 10:05:54 GMT
I can honestly say I've never even considered using cc in any mass effect game.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 21, 2017 11:04:40 GMT
I can honestly say I've never even considered using cc in any mass effect game. I never used Sheploo... but I have no problem admitting the template was damn solid and pretty iconic now. If I wasn't such an hardcore RPG'er in the sense I needed my OWN Shepard through and through I might have used him. But, the reason I've always come back to the ME OT and why it has such replay value is I can create my own new Shepard and start from scratch with him again storywise. There are definitely arguments to be made that the IQ in DAI was just as generic dialogue wise as Shepard was in the OT. Having said that BioWare definitely upgraded and gave us the option to craft some pretty amazing characters with their CC in DAI which overcame the blandness of the IQ's charisma. For example here is my canon playthrough for the ME OT and then canon for DA:I Both of these guys I spent eons of time on altering their presets enough so at least they didn't end up reminding me of the original. Point being having played a bit of MEA and wanting to be immersed... even though I'm suprised by how much I enjoy default Ryder and especially his VA... I just haven't felt like this is MY Ryder's story because of the limited CC options. Lorenzo Charles
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Post by lolslikemuttley on Mar 21, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
I was underwhelmed by the character creator and I'm not even particularly good at creating characters anyway.
Perhaps my disappointment with MEA comes from comparing it so closely with DAI's creator. That was not impressive where hair was concerned but otherwise sculpting the face was a richer experience.
I tried for ages to create a custom Sara Ryder and whilst the hair options were an improvement over the trilogy it just felt limited feature wise. In the end I didn't like what I'd made better than the default and went with that instead.
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Post by odysseyalien on Mar 21, 2017 12:55:43 GMT
My only gripe about the CC is that I like to create characters that look like me and I'm not able to do that as well as I did with previous ME versions. Heck, I'm waiting for the day that we can scan in images of ourselves in a Bioware game. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what all the fuss is about. The CC with MEA seems to be more like the original Dragon Age Origins. I couldn't make my character look as much like me as I would have liked with that game either. Still, digging the game so far overall. Can't decide now if I want to do MEA Friday night or go out with a buddy.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 21, 2017 13:00:30 GMT
My only gripe about the CC is that I like to create characters that look like me and I'm not able to do that as well as I did with previous ME versions. Heck, I'm waiting for the day that we can scan in images of ourselves in a Bioware game. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what all the fuss is about. The fuss is how is it possible a game released in 2017 has a CC worse than one that was released in 2014? By the same company/people! There's no excuse really.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 21, 2017 13:01:38 GMT
Nah, I'm still disappointed by it. Like others have said, there aren't going to be as many different varieties of characters being created as there was in DA:I or the original trilogy because everyone is making their characters based off of the same presets. If we could mix things up between each preset, like have the nose from preset 1 and the eyes from preset 5 and put them on the face of preset 3, then it wouldn't be a problem... but we can't do that. There's no way to change the eye shape, mouth shape, nose shape, etc of any of the presets, DESPITE us being allowed to do those things in every other Mass Effect and Dragon Age game... I still don't understand the "genius" behind such a decision. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, Bioware.
So yeah, while the OP may not have any issue with this CC, I definitely do. I mean, I can deal with it, I'm still enjoying the game, but I would be enjoying it more if I had more control over what my character looked like. Sorry if that makes me an "Internet snowflake"...
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Post by brad2240 on Mar 21, 2017 13:07:10 GMT
I'll be honest: I've never been very good with Bioware's character creators. I could eventually get to something acceptable but I've never had the talent a lot of the forumites display. So usually I just end up with minor tweaks of a preset anyway. From my perspective, the MEA CC isn't too bad and I'll also get something acceptable out of it. It is a shame so many options were cut, though.
But for my first 2 playthroughs of MEA I'll be using the default Ryders anyway. Not because I feel constrained by the CC but because I really love the defaults in this game.
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Post by Elsariel on Mar 21, 2017 13:17:11 GMT
Nah, I'm still disappointed by it. Like others have said, there aren't going to be as many different varieties of characters being created as there was in DA:I or the original trilogy because everyone is making their characters based off of the same presets. If we could mix things up between each preset, like have the nose from preset 1 and the eyes from preset 5 and put them on the face of preset 3, then it wouldn't be a problem... but we can't do that. There's no way to change the eye shape, mouth shape, nose shape, etc of any of the presets, DESPITE us being allowed to do those things in every other Mass Effect and Dragon Age game... I still don't understand the "genius" behind such a decision. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, Bioware. So yeah, while the OP may not have any issue with this CC, I definitely do. I mean, I can deal with it, I'm still enjoying the game, but I would be enjoying it more if I had more control over what my character looked like. Sorry if that makes me an "Internet snowflake"... My guess is that it's because of detailed kiss scenes like below. You can't get that level of detail without knowing where exactly certain parts of the face are. But I'm no animator so I could be wrong. *shrug*
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 21, 2017 13:20:10 GMT
Nah, I'm still disappointed by it. Like others have said, there aren't going to be as many different varieties of characters being created as there was in DA:I or the original trilogy because everyone is making their characters based off of the same presets. If we could mix things up between each preset, like have the nose from preset 1 and the eyes from preset 5 and put them on the face of preset 3, then it wouldn't be a problem... but we can't do that. There's no way to change the eye shape, mouth shape, nose shape, etc of any of the presets, DESPITE us being allowed to do those things in every other Mass Effect and Dragon Age game... I still don't understand the "genius" behind such a decision. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, Bioware. So yeah, while the OP may not have any issue with this CC, I definitely do. I mean, I can deal with it, I'm still enjoying the game, but I would be enjoying it more if I had more control over what my character looked like. Sorry if that makes me an "Internet snowflake"... My guess is that it's because of detailed kiss scenes like below. You can't get that level of detail without knowing where exactly certain parts of the face are. But I'm no animator so I could be wrong. *shrug* See, I don't know about that, because you can still make some freaky looking characters. You can't change the shape of things like the mouth, eyes, and nose, but you can still change the position of them. I'd think the position of those parts would affect a scene like this more than just the shape.
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Post by taritu on Mar 21, 2017 13:20:36 GMT
Unless it has changed from Early Access this is just wrong. You cannot change the eye shape, nose shape or mouth shape in the ways you could in previous CC's, by picking a new shape. I would have loved to be able to take female preset one's mouth (downward turned) and turned it up, for example.
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Post by NUM13ER on Mar 21, 2017 13:23:14 GMT
I'm going default my first run through but considering the controversy from our fellow internet snowflakes, I decided to test out this character creator. Holy shit, believe it or not, I'm impressed! You can adjust every facial feature to your liking, choose every hairstyle available, choose the color, change two different settings on eye color, change eye shapes, add scars and tattoos, choose from about the most hair color options I've ever seen, and apply a bunch of makeup options. In terms of facial customizations, I'd say it's pretty impressive. And I made a really attractive Sara Ryder in about 15 minutes. Am I missing something here because my character looks so much better than any character I've made or seen in the original trilogy. God I hope the rest of my thoughts on the game are like this. Dumb internet cry babies This is almost precious in how hard it tries to be edgy and provocative. The character creator was so good, you didn't even bother to use it and went with the default. You can adjust every facial feature (including the parts every other player cannot) and last, but not least, equating your own lower standards as the benchmark for everyone else. You even threw in snowflakes and cry babies for good measure. It's the perfect storm of self indulgent, empty posturing.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 21, 2017 13:23:19 GMT
Unless it has changed from Early Access this is just wrong. You cannot change the eye shape, nose shape or mouth shape in the ways you could in previous CC's, by picking a new shape. I would have loved to be able to take female preset one's mouth (downward turned) and turned it up, for example. No, it hasn't changed from the Early Access. I bought the game last night and there's still no way to change the shape of anything. I'd love nothing more than be able to mix-and-match parts from the presets together. There's always at least one thing about one preset, like the eyebrows for example, that I don't like and would prefer to change, but other parts of it that I do like.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 21, 2017 13:25:48 GMT
Our custom PC's have been' kissin' our romances since '07. Detail is far from the issue.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 21, 2017 14:04:15 GMT
I'm going default my first run through but considering the controversy from our fellow internet snowflakes, I decided to test out this character creator. Holy shit, believe it or not, I'm impressed! You can adjust every facial feature to your liking, choose every hairstyle available, choose the color, change two different settings on eye color, change eye shapes, add scars and tattoos, choose from about the most hair color options I've ever seen, and apply a bunch of makeup options. In terms of facial customizations, I'd say it's pretty impressive. And I made a really attractive Sara Ryder in about 15 minutes. Am I missing something here because my character looks so much better than any character I've made or seen in the original trilogy. God I hope the rest of my thoughts on the game are like this. Dumb internet cry babies This is almost precious in how hard it tries to be edgy and provocative. The character creator was so good, you didn't even bother to use it and went with the default. You can adjust every facial feature (including the parts every other player cannot) and last, but not least, equating your own lower standards as the benchmark for everyone else. You even threw in snowflakes and cry babies for good measure. It's the perfect storm of self indulgent, empty posturing. Need help getting the stick out of your ass? I'm complimenting the character creator and stating that people are way over reacting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 14:08:27 GMT
This is almost precious in how hard it tries to be edgy and provocative. The character creator was so good, you didn't even bother to use it and went with the default. You can adjust every facial feature (including the parts every other player cannot) and last, but not least, equating your own lower standards as the benchmark for everyone else. You even threw in snowflakes and cry babies for good measure. It's the perfect storm of self indulgent, empty posturing. Need help getting the stick out of your ass? I'm complimenting the character creator and stating that people are way over reacting. You're overreacting to legitimate criticism of something that is indeed bare bones and disappointing for a Bioware game in 2017. DA:I's CC allowed players to do far more with their custom characters than this CC and that game released almost three years ago.
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Post by DeepJIMPACT on Mar 21, 2017 14:09:42 GMT
oi nah the characters look totally munted mate
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 21, 2017 14:10:39 GMT
This is almost precious in how hard it tries to be edgy and provocative. The character creator was so good, you didn't even bother to use it and went with the default. You can adjust every facial feature (including the parts every other player cannot) and last, but not least, equating your own lower standards as the benchmark for everyone else. You even threw in snowflakes and cry babies for good measure. It's the perfect storm of self indulgent, empty posturing. Need help getting the stick out of your ass? I'm complimenting the character creator and stating that people are way over reacting. By using terms like "Internet snowflake" and "dumb Internet crybabies" of course you're going to get some less than positive responses. What did you expect?
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Post by jeir on Mar 21, 2017 14:11:01 GMT
Y'know, it really is great that people can make the character they want with this severely limited character chooser. No sarcasm. I can't, though. I want to make a character with my particular features. ( Image of the female presets for reference.) I have very pale skin with a slight pinkish tint. The 'best' we have is #3's sunburned tan, or default Sara's brownish tint. (To be honest, the first time I saw default Sara - with the dark hair/eyes/skin and slightly turned-down nose - I thought she was Middle-Eastern/Indian.) I have dark blonde hair. Due to the painted-on eyebrows, my only option is #3, because it's the only one that doesn't have really dark brows. So, the only one I can work with is #3. Which means my character will have to have the terrible tan, the half-asleep eyes, the Roman nose, and the wide thin lips. If I had a choice? #9s nose, #8s eyes, #3s eyebrow colour with #5 or #8s shape, #1, #2 or #5s lips, no moles, and a skin tone that is actually pale. Will I get it? Doubtful, unless Bio do what they should have done to begin with, and made the 'Custom' option one you could actually use as a character creator, not a character chooser.
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Post by NUM13ER on Mar 21, 2017 14:12:31 GMT
This is almost precious in how hard it tries to be edgy and provocative. The character creator was so good, you didn't even bother to use it and went with the default. You can adjust every facial feature (including the parts every other player cannot) and last, but not least, equating your own lower standards as the benchmark for everyone else. You even threw in snowflakes and cry babies for good measure. It's the perfect storm of self indulgent, empty posturing. Need help getting the stick out of your ass? I'm complimenting the character creator and stating that people are way over reacting. Do you suffer from a condition that requires you throw out a childish insult before you get to the point? Pretending that OP was about positivity when you spent it labelling people of a different opinion from yourself as being cry babies is kind of ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 14:14:42 GMT
This thread by the way if proof positive that blind fans can be as bad as the haters.
"How dare you dislike something I like! For that I shall you call you childish names!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 14:16:28 GMT
I am the opposite to everyone pretty much in that I was never able to make characters to look like what I wanted in DA games (including the Inquisition) but was way happier with the ME creators. I have already seen the face of my character in the thread people posted their creations (now that the LIs are confirmed). It's just a matter of tweaking it for a bit to see what I can come up with for adding "sci-if" flare, but overall, she will be the closest most character I've ever had since I started playing games to my dream protagonist. So, yea, I am pleased.
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Post by timebean on Mar 21, 2017 14:26:33 GMT
I am a female and play as female (at least for my first play-through). This is how I see it.
ME Trilogy = Choose preset, choose eyes, nose, lips. Adjust all to your liking. Put on atrocious lipstick or go natural.
DAO = Similar to ME - choose face and adjust (or, if on PC, download from thousands of mods to get the perfect character/skin/hair/makeup etc...cause modding was encouraged in that game and easy on that engine).
DA2 - go with the default cause the CC presets looked like ass. Yeah, you have a blood swipe for some stupid ass reason, but at least you look like a fairly attractive human underneath it. Downside is, to play as an attractive character, you have to roll with a white Hawke.
DAI - create! Make a truly unique character. Any race you like! Multiple skin tones, ear shapes, eye position, etc. Then slap on some plastic hair or one of 5 or so bald options. No one can properly mod the game, so don't bother with trying to download any hair. But it's OK...at least you can make an attractive and unique face!
MEA = Choose race. Apply contacts, hair dye, and makeup. Be happy with it or be called a snowflake. Half of the presets are either unattractive or their lips look ass in game. Other half limits your ability to play with skin tone. ALL are still better than the default, who looks derpy.
Summary? You could make an attractive female character that also feels like your OWN character in every game except DA2 and MEA. DA2 was slapped together quickly and was prolly one of the most poorly received games across both franchises (although I personally enjoyed it). So...I don't think folks expected much from the DA2 CC in that game anyway. MEA was in the works on for 5 years and had a giant budget (comparatively). So...yeah...folks are a little pissed.
The upside is, I was able to make decent looking female Ryder (thanks to Preset #1), but the downside is, she doesn't feel like my own unique character. Oh well. It's just a bummer. Not the end of the world, just pretty disappointing.
Just my opinion, of course. Beauty is subjective, in the eye of the beholder, etc, etc, ad nauseam...
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Post by jeir on Mar 21, 2017 14:35:22 GMT
<snip> DAI - create! Make a truly unique character. Any race you like! Multiple skin tones, ear shapes, eye position, etc. Then slap on some plastic hair or one of 5 or so bald options. No one can properly mod the game, so don't bother with trying to download any hair. But it's OK...at least you can make an attractive and unique face! <snip> Actually, the hair situation for DAI is pretty good. I replaced the eyebrow styles and got a long hairstyle thanks to mods. The modded skin isn't great (people seem to have an obsession with moles) but there was one default skin that was fine for me. I just wish I could do the same in MEA.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Mar 21, 2017 14:40:37 GMT
My only gripe about the CC is that I like to create characters that look like me and I'm not able to do that as well as I did with previous ME versions. Heck, I'm waiting for the day that we can scan in images of ourselves in a Bioware game. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what all the fuss is about. The CC with MEA seems to be more like the original Dragon Age Origins. I couldn't make my character look as much like me as I would have liked with that game either. Still, digging the game so far overall. Can't decide now if I want to do MEA Friday night or go out with a buddy. Not sure that's true. Plus people were able to take it to a whole other level due to mod support on that game. Even if it were true, that's an almost eight year old game now which began its development over ten years ago. My only gripe about the CC is that I like to create characters that look like me and I'm not able to do that as well as I did with previous ME versions. Heck, I'm waiting for the day that we can scan in images of ourselves in a Bioware game. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what all the fuss is about. The fuss is how is it possible a game released in 2017 has a CC worse than one that was released in 2014? By the same company/people! There's no excuse really. Using the same engine, with many of the same graphical effects.
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Post by timebean on Mar 21, 2017 14:41:42 GMT
<snip> DAI - create! Make a truly unique character. Any race you like! Multiple skin tones, ear shapes, eye position, etc. Then slap on some plastic hair or one of 5 or so bald options. No one can properly mod the game, so don't bother with trying to download any hair. But it's OK...at least you can make an attractive and unique face! <snip> Actually, the hair situation for DAI is pretty good. I replaced the eyebrow styles and got a long hairstyle thanks to mods. The modded skin isn't great (people seem to have an obsession with moles) but there was one default skin that was fine for me. I just wish I could do the same in MEA. Agree there some decent hair mods...but they tended to bug out on DLCs in my experience. Also, I feel your pain about the lack of pale presets (red hair and freckles...oh, how I miss you!). Whenever I bring it up, folks inevitably shoot me an image of that one preset that can go pretty pale...the one with the gross old lady lips that look like mating slugs in game when she animates. *sigh*. I have stopped talking about it, because it is what it is, but it does suck.
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