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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 22, 2017 1:06:29 GMT
Haha heck no! This isn't nearly as bad as that. It's not perfect but I was surprised by the amount of options. People really freak out about this type of stuff acting like it's terrible. Out of curiousity did you play DA:I? And if so how would you compare that CC to this? I didn't (I am after I finish Mass Effect. I never played it and held off so any mechanics in that game wouldn't spoil my impressions of Mass Effect Andromeda. Glad I did). From the footage, I would say DA:I is better. I'm just saying this one isn't bad, and I understand people's concerns and critiques. There are just some people who act like radical liberals wanting to protest and riot
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 22, 2017 1:09:10 GMT
It's blown out of proportion. You can be plenty creative with it and hair is awesome, even if we desperately need more styles.
It's mainly how types of nose, eyes and mouths are locked to each preset and how presets are already just this game's version of ME123's "face type" is the real problem.
The reaction was only so overwhelming at first because BioWare hyped it up to be "better than anything in the trilogy" which isn't really a clear-cut truth.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 22, 2017 1:09:32 GMT
Agreed. No matter how many options were available in the OT character creators, the custom faces never looked that great. They looked like play dough characters. And I get that some people won't like this. That's understandable. It's just comical how insane people get over this small detail saying it ruins the game. Most of the custom characters this time look great from everything I've seen. It's even funnier when people on this forum get so bent out of shape or tight assed when someone says they like the character creator It ruins the game for people who had a specific character in mind they wanted to role play for the game. Typically you customize a face to look *close* to that character you have in mind. And for some, that's where the majority of their enjoyment is derived. Sorry that it's "comical" to you - just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean you have to act like a jerk about it. I'm not being a Jerk about it. There is a difference between expressing your critique and disdain for a feature requesting it to be changed and pitching a fit about it. I'm not accusing or attacking anyone specifically. I hope they do add options as I would always advocate for more freedom. But it's dumb when people accuse of it ruining a game and decide not to play it
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Post by colfoley on Mar 22, 2017 1:10:55 GMT
Out of curiousity did you play DA:I? And if so how would you compare that CC to this? I didn't (I am after I finish Mass Effect. I never played it and held off so any mechanics in that game wouldn't spoil my impressions of Mass Effect Andromeda. Glad I did). From the footage, I would say DA:I is better. I'm just saying this one isn't bad, and I understand people's concerns and critiques. There are just some people who act like radical liberals wanting to protest and riot In other words: Grumble grumble grumble, mutiny mutiny mutiny.
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Post by jli84 on Mar 22, 2017 1:13:04 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 22, 2017 1:15:20 GMT
Agreed. No matter how many options were available in the OT character creators, the custom faces never looked that great. They looked like play dough characters. And I get that some people won't like this. That's understandable. It's just comical how insane people get over this small detail saying it ruins the game. Most of the custom characters this time look great from everything I've seen. It's even funnier when people on this forum get so bent out of shape or tight assed when someone says they like the character creator It ruins the game for people who had a specific character in mind they wanted to role play for the game. Typically you customize a face to look *close* to that character you have in mind. And for some, that's where the majority of their enjoyment is derived. Sorry that it's "comical" to you - just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean you have to act like a jerk about it. And I appreciate your passion and concern about. Don't get me wrong. The OP wasn't meant to attack anyone personally. It was just supposed provide a separate point of view in a jarring, attention grabbing way. Most of my posts and threads are typically about positive criticism and new ideas. But if someone personally attacks me, you better believe I'm going to tell them to get dick out of their ass
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Post by colfoley on Mar 22, 2017 1:15:58 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired. I never use the default... Usually like the results I get... And I still love this CC. And I feel I can get pretty much the Ryder that I want to, in fact I think this is pretty much the first CC that will let me do this.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 22, 2017 1:23:09 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired. So that means the CC in the trilogy was not good then since it could not let me make the Shepard I want, this CC does let me create the Ryder I want. It is all opinions in the end.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 22, 2017 1:27:22 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired. So that means the CC in the trilogy was not good then since it could not let me make the Ryder I want, this CC does. It is all opinions in the end. Kind of funny...I think a lot of this has to do with ones opinion and just how much of a vision one has about how they want their character to want. I never really put too much thought into it...I am usually fine with a vague image in my head...unless I am trying to do a celebrity insert or something.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 22, 2017 1:29:19 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired. So that means the CC in the trilogy was not good then since it could not let me make the Ryder I want, this CC does. It is all opinions in the end. Its a fact that this CC has less customization options than all the previous CC's from Bioware. If you don't like the presets your options to change them to your likings is much more limited than in previous games, resulting in many players being unhappy with their characters. Thats not my opinion, thats exactly whats happening.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 22, 2017 1:32:30 GMT
So that means the CC in the trilogy was not good then since it could not let me make the Ryder I want, this CC does. It is all opinions in the end. Its a fact that this CC has less customization options than all the previous CC's from Bioware. If you don't like the presets your options to change them to your likings is much more limited than in previous games, resulting in many players being unhappy with their characters. Thats not my opinion, thats exactly whats happening. Yes, its a fact that this has less customisation than the previous ones, I doubt any one is saying otherwise. I said that even with those options I could not make a Shepard I like, in Andromeda without those options I could make a Ryder that I like it. So to me it is an improvement, others it is not.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 22, 2017 1:38:43 GMT
Its a fact that this CC has less customization options than all the previous CC's from Bioware. If you don't like the presets your options to change them to your likings is much more limited than in previous games, resulting in many players being unhappy with their characters. Thats not my opinion, thats exactly whats happening. Yes, its a fact that this has less customisation than the previous ones, I doubt any one is saying otherwise. I said that even with those options I could not make a Shepard I like, in Andromeda without those options I could make a Ryder that I like it. So to me it is an improvement, others it is not. Its really all about control. While I am usually a fan of more options, especially in an RPG...though not to the extent of a Bethesda RPG...honestly sometimes having more options can just get tedious and make things overly complicated. So while yes there are more options in previous CCs but I honestly feel like I have more control over ME As CC with fewer options because, as I have said, I know exactly what each option is doing. Hence I can create the character I want without having to guess what some of the options do like I have had to do in ever CC up till now.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 22, 2017 1:40:59 GMT
Its a fact that this CC has less customization options than all the previous CC's from Bioware. If you don't like the presets your options to change them to your likings is much more limited than in previous games, resulting in many players being unhappy with their characters. Thats not my opinion, thats exactly whats happening. Yes, its a fact that this has less customisation than the previous ones, I doubt any one is saying otherwise. I said that even with those options I could not make a Shepard I like, in Andromeda without those options I could make a Ryder that I like it. So to me it is an improvement, others it is not. Don't you think you could have made a Ryder you like even more if you had more options in the CC? Even if I'll manage to make a Ryder I'm ok with I will not be happy because the lacking options would have inevitably lead to a much better result. This leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, but regression always does.
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Post by duckley on Mar 22, 2017 1:47:29 GMT
I find the CC to be limited and kind of lame. Not a big deal for me because I found ghe CC in other ME games pretty limited too.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 22, 2017 1:50:41 GMT
Yes, its a fact that this has less customisation than the previous ones, I doubt any one is saying otherwise. I said that even with those options I could not make a Shepard I like, in Andromeda without those options I could make a Ryder that I like it. So to me it is an improvement, others it is not. Don't you think you could have made a Ryder you like even more if you had more options in the CC? Even if I'll manage to make a Ryder I'm ok with I will not be happy because the lacking options would have inevitably lead to a much better result. This leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, but regression always does. I hope people understand I see where they are coming from, I really do and you should not take it the wrong way. Hopefully more options are released in the future for those that want it, so they can tweak the little things and can be happy with their Ryder. For me it will not ruin my experience because I personally can make a Ryder I like without those extra options, which is something I could not do even after many hours fiddling around with all those extra options in the trilogy.
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Post by jli84 on Mar 22, 2017 1:54:48 GMT
Funny how people that like the CC are usually those that either play with the defaults or say they spend a lot of time in the CC but can't get a good result. Can you make good looking Ryders with this CC? Yes. But a good CC would let you make the Ryder you want. The CC we got leaves a lot to be desired. So that means the CC in the trilogy was not good then since it could not let me make the Shepard I want, this CC does let me create the Ryder I want. It is all opinions in the end. The CC in the trilogy was even worse than this one. I'll agree to that, and I think my Shepard was pretty much a perfect fit for the character (maybe my favourite character in any media ever). That's not the point. Just being better than the original does not make it good. This is av big step back from DA:I, when they should have improved upon it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 22, 2017 2:00:08 GMT
I hope people understand I see where they are coming from, I really do and you should not take it the wrong way. Hopefully more options are released in the future for those that want it, so they can tweak the little things and can be happy with their Ryder. There is a high chance of those words being nothing than empty promises, so I'm not holding my breath for any post-release improvements, especially for those that do not require us to take out the wallet. I'm sure it does not ruin your experience but you should realize that you liking the non-customizable features of your Ryder is nothing mote than a happy coincidence. If the next game does feature the same CC and you do not like the presets you will be unhappy like all those people right now who aren't happy with their Ryder - thanks to the lack of customization. So even if you are happy with your Ryder, you better hope they will have a better character creator in the next game because you may not be so lucky next time.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 22, 2017 2:13:42 GMT
I hope people understand I see where they are coming from, I really do and you should not take it the wrong way. Hopefully more options are released in the future for those that want it, so they can tweak the little things and can be happy with their Ryder. There is a high chance of those words being nothing than empty promises, so I'm not holding my breath for any post-release improvements, especially for those that do not require us to take out the wallet. I'm sure it does not ruin your experience but you should realize that you liking the non-customizable features of your Ryder is nothing mote than a happy coincidence. If the next game does feature the same CC and you do not like the presets you will be unhappy like all those people right now who aren't happy with their Ryder - thanks to the lack of customization. So even if you are happy with your Ryder, you better hope they will have a better character creator in the next game because you may not be so lucky next time. We will just have to wait and see then, but I highly doubt they will charge people for adding more options in CC. Costumes/Amour etc I'm sure will need to be paid for. Going by all the doom and gloom going around the net there may not be a next game anyway . But seriously though, I have never gotten upset about a CC in any game to let it ever get to the point of ruining my experience, I have always found a way to enjoy it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 22, 2017 2:32:27 GMT
We will just have to wait and see then, but I highly doubt they will charge people for adding more options in CC. Costumes/Amour etc I'm sure will need to be paid for. Thats why I think they won't do anything about it at all. Not something you can charge people for so its just some promises to keep people calm and hopeful. There is a reason they did not include those features, and forgetting them to include is not one of them. Apparently they had some major issues with animations so implementing those supposedly minor features post-release might be one hell of a problem.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Mar 22, 2017 2:49:04 GMT
I'm going default my first run through but considering the controversy from our fellow internet snowflakes, I decided to test out this character creator. Holy shit, believe it or not, I'm impressed! In terms of facial customizations, I'd say it's pretty impressive. And I made a really attractive Sara Ryder in about 15 minutes. Am I missing something here because my character looks so much better than any character I've made or seen in the original trilogy. God I hope the rest of my thoughts on the game are like this. Dumb internet cry babies Btw this looks amazing in 4k HDR Lies/false advertising "Oh but you can pick any hairstyle you want!" yeah, out of like 10 options which are 50 shades of ponytail for the sisters and 50 shades of Ivy League for the brothers. I can change eye color....dope Not unless you want a Salarian Ryder. PS: being able to fuck with the sizes would have balanced this.The only interesting thing about the CC because it's the only way for a Ryder that looks different. Even so, most of the "scars" look like domestic battery bruisesAnd most of em are shit mate Nah the character creator really is quite shit compared to both DA:I and the Mass Effect trilogy. A similar thing happened when the WWE had it's first PS4/XBONE release. They couldn't really use any of the old assets and in rushing their games, ended up with very limited, restrictive customization options. BioWare really shit the bed on this one, no way around it.
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Post by MattMan031 on Mar 22, 2017 6:04:11 GMT
I find the CC to be limited and kind of lame. Not a big deal for me because I found ghe CC in other ME games pretty limited too. I'm pretty sure in those games I can change my mouth, change my eyes, change my eyebrows, change my nose, change my ears, better facial hair options, better scar options, and so on. So not really limited.
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Post by godlike13 on Mar 22, 2017 6:20:55 GMT
I never thought the ME CC was that good but this one is pretty bad. The complexions and skin tones are so off, and why it's there yet again no way to edit it in game. That should be standard at this point.
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Post by scooby609 on Mar 22, 2017 6:29:52 GMT
I just wanna make some thing close to my DA:I character ... Pale skin, freckles, blue eyes, long-ish dark hair, but its impossible to do in ME:A
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 6:40:40 GMT
We will just have to wait and see then, but I highly doubt they will charge people for adding more options in CC. Costumes/Amour etc I'm sure will need to be paid for. Thats why I think they won't do anything about it at all. Not something you can charge people for so its just some promises to keep people calm and hopeful. There is a reason they did not include those features, and forgetting them to include is not one of them. Apparently they had some major issues with animations so implementing those supposedly minor features post-release might be one hell of a problem. Good one! But I agree, I don't think they will change the CC.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 6:42:57 GMT
Too bad they didn't add an under/overbite slider, because far too many presets have an underbite with no hope of being edited. If I was going to push for a change/addition to the CC that I thought might actually be feasible, it would at least be some kind of complexion slider, since it's essentially just a skin. I should be able to add or remove as many blemishes as I please. I mean, where the hell are the freckly faces?
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