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Post by alanc9 on Mar 21, 2017 18:40:34 GMT
- Witcher 3 had 80M$ budget and wasn't made by "a bunch of slavs"Afaik 40M$ the other 40M$ was for marketing, something Mass effect serie about dont need... And the bunch of slav made (far ?) better work in half the time bioware had. I forget something ? Yes witcher 3 was realeased finished, not full of bugs. My own opinion is perhasp it is unfair to compare witcher 3 and Andromeda, but more likely it is unpleasant and disturbing for Bioware. Where did all that TW3 marketing cash go? I saw about the same number of commercials for both games, although TW3 may have been in more expensive slots.
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Post by akots on Mar 21, 2017 19:14:15 GMT
... However, the big problem with MEA is the fact that both the tone and the direction play into these weaknesses. The lighter tone taken on by MEA requires a more lively set of animations than a more serious title would, and the scene direction fails to cover up these failings with clever lighting and shot choices. I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 22, 2017 7:19:19 GMT
... However, the big problem with MEA is the fact that both the tone and the direction play into these weaknesses. The lighter tone taken on by MEA requires a more lively set of animations than a more serious title would, and the scene direction fails to cover up these failings with clever lighting and shot choices. I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. I guess this deserves a topic of it's own, but I agree here. Age rating is weird. Most of the game you fight faceless alien invasion, faceless robots and bandits with minimum gore. As for the "strong language" - even bandits too shy to say "shit" most of the time. Plot is pretty straightforward "we are good guys, they are bad, now save the cluster". All in all Bioware cut themselves a chunk of customers (not many care about age restrictions, but still) for the sake of showing Cora's ass? Like seriously?
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 22, 2017 8:12:01 GMT
- Witcher 3 had 80M$ budget and wasn't made by "a bunch of slavs"Afaik 40M$ the other 40M$ was for marketing, something Mass effect serie about dont need... And the bunch of slav made (far ?) better work in half the time bioware had. I forget something ? Yes witcher 3 was realeased finished, not full of bugs.My own opinion is perhasp it is unfair to compare witcher 3 and Andromeda, but more likely it is unpleasant and disturbing for Bioware. BS, Witcher 3 had tons of bugs on release including a lot of game breaking ones which I haven't really heard any reports of Andromeda having.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 8:15:26 GMT
- Witcher 3 had 80M$ budget and wasn't made by "a bunch of slavs"Afaik 40M$ the other 40M$ was for marketing, something Mass effect serie about dont need... And the bunch of slav made (far ?) better work in half the time bioware had. I forget something ? Yes witcher 3 was realeased finished, not full of bugs. My own opinion is perhasp it is unfair to compare witcher 3 and Andromeda, but more likely it is unpleasant and disturbing for Bioware. The Witcher 3 launched with a save game corruption bug, you know stuff that ruined hours of progress for people. Its easy to think of TW3 now as the 1.31 edition with the DLC, its the same thing i think about DA:I. How much better it got with patching. Don't pretend that CDRP didn't need to patch the game a lot, but kudos to them for all they added and changed, listened to feedback and such. Lets hope Bioware does the same, eh?
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Post by NRieh on Mar 22, 2017 9:19:14 GMT
Maker, why do WitcherFans need to comapre anything to it? I'm so fucking sick of them already... They're everywhere, and it's like all they ever do is compare things to W3. I'm beginning to hate this 'game of the century' merely because of its omnipresent fanbase. Why can't they love their game more..privately?
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Post by degs29 on Mar 22, 2017 12:48:52 GMT
People who post a few frames long movie GIF outtakes with snarky quotes and smug faces as a part of the "argument" they're making should be prosecuted or shot on sight right away. Whoa, that's not protocol, buddy.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 13:27:01 GMT
People compare ME to Witcher because they don't understand the concept of context.
The best example is comparing non-plot missions. They say "ME has only fetch quests while Witcher has beautiful stories"
1) Witcher has classifications for its quests. It has a few side quests which are well-made, but the rest are all hunts and random fetch quests 2) Witcher does not have the concept of companions and squad members. The few well-made side quests are comparable to the entire character arc of a companion. This includes introductory dialogue (establish character), their life stories (establishing context), and then pursuing a plot mission. 3) Witcher's zone quests are part of the main quest. In MEA this is not the case. Zone quests support and complement the main quest but are not required 4) In MEA, zone quests are dispersed in such a way that they are disconnected in form but connected in function. You are improving the area as a whole. In the Witcher, they all tie together as part of the same quest.
So as a result, if you are going to compare side quests in Witcher to MEA, then you need to use the proper analogy.
TW3 side quests :: MEA squad and main zone missions TW3 hunts and fetch quests :: MEA scan and fetch quests
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Post by Bann Duncan on Mar 22, 2017 14:47:54 GMT
Maker, why do WitcherFans need to comapre anything to it? I'm so fucking sick of them already... They're everywhere, and it's like all they ever do is compare things to W3. I'm beginning to hate this 'game of the century' merely because of its omnipresent fanbase. Why can't they love their game more..privately? Remember that awful "The RPG that becomes the Legend" thread on old old BSN? The thread was around from long before Witcher 2 came out and consisted largely of accusing anyone who liked ME2 of being "BDF".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 15:08:05 GMT
Maker, why do WitcherFans need to comapre anything to it? I'm so fucking sick of them already... They're everywhere, and it's like all they ever do is compare things to W3. I'm beginning to hate this 'game of the century' merely because of its omnipresent fanbase. Why can't they love their game more..privately? Buhu! Like it or not, there's a new gold standard for open world RPGs and every game in that mould is going to be compared to see how they stack up, not just BioWare titles. BioWare specifically get compared to CDPR on a regular basis because of the differences in each company's ethos. CDPR are so consumer friendly, whereas I haven't seen a company that has more disdain for their own fanbase than BioWare. CDPR treat their fans with respect and don't try to preach or push any ideoligies to them. BioWare on the other hand, look sternly down on their customers from a moral perspective. So yeah, the comparisons aren't going to go away any time soon. Don't like it? Go cry more.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 22, 2017 15:26:10 GMT
... However, the big problem with MEA is the fact that both the tone and the direction play into these weaknesses. The lighter tone taken on by MEA requires a more lively set of animations than a more serious title would, and the scene direction fails to cover up these failings with clever lighting and shot choices. I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO!
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Post by Lorn on Mar 22, 2017 15:39:39 GMT
I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I recall when Witcher 2 and 3 came out BioWare fans were saying "nudity doesn't make a game mature, it makes it marketed to horny teenagers". Now the shoes on the other foot and BioWare fans are becoming obvious hypocrites. Sad.
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Post by NRieh on Mar 22, 2017 15:47:15 GMT
Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). Mass Effect is not like Witcher? Fuck yes, it's a stand-alone party-based space-opera shooter with cover mechanics, not the bloody 'mature fantasy' single swordplay-action, based on the BORROWED SETTING AND CHARACTERS. Latter is commonly perceived as 'CDPR marvelous creative writing'). Which is understandable, because Witcher novels had seen the light before most of the W3 fanbase learned reading (some still had potty training on their priority list). Aen Seidhe, Cintra, Nilfgaard, dwarfs, Yenne, Geralt, Triss, Cirilla, Jaskier (oh, pardon.. Dandellion)? They come from 1986 (the latest novel being 1998).
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Post by sky on Mar 22, 2017 15:50:07 GMT
Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I recall when Witcher 2 and 3 came out BioWare fans were saying "nudity doesn't make a game mature, it makes it marketed to horny teenagers". Now the shoes on the other foot and BioWare fans are becoming obvious hypocrites. Sad. I don't remember seeing this at all but it sounds funny. I remember when witcher 3 came out, the cdpr fanboys were locked in a battle with bethesda fanboys, as their games were competing for GOTY. Anyways I'm glad the dev acknowledged the animation shortcomings at #3, I thought i was going crazy when I read about people saying the animations were fine.
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Post by akots on Mar 22, 2017 15:55:56 GMT
I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! These scenes could have been inserted later after the rating was assigned as it is quite easy to do and there is no need to rewrite/remake anything. But the scenes themselves are not very good IMHO. You can get this and 10x much more ME3 style on deviant art and other sites. And it is not HBO neither in quality nor in taste, just regular generic anime softcore.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 22, 2017 15:56:47 GMT
Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I recall when Witcher 2 and 3 came out BioWare fans were saying "nudity doesn't make a game mature, it makes it marketed to horny teenagers". Now the shoes on the other foot and BioWare fans are becoming obvious hypocrites. Sad. Then the Witcher fanboys came over here and started screaming that Bioware games should be "more like The Witcher" I'd like to think they meant better storytelling and more choices that matter. Bioware, apparently only heard "more boobies!"
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Post by Iakus on Mar 22, 2017 15:57:23 GMT
Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! These scenes could have been inserted later after the rating was assigned as it is quite easy to do and there is no need to rewrite/remake anything. But the scenes themselves are not very good IMHO. You can get this and 10x much more ME3 style on deviant art and other sites. And it is not HBO neither in quality nor in taste, just regular generic anime softcore. Fair enough.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 22, 2017 15:58:46 GMT
Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). Mass Effect is not like Witcher? Fuck yes, it's a stand-alone party-based space-opera shooter with cover mechanics, not the bloody 'mature fantasy' single swordplay-action, based on the BORROWED SETTING AND CHARACTERS. Latter is commonly perceived as 'CDPR marvelous creative writing'). Which is understandable, because Witcher novels had seen the light before most of the W3 fanbase learned reading (some still had potty training on their priority list). Aen Seidhe, Cintra, Nilfgaard, dwarfs, Yenne, Geralt, Triss, Cirilla, Jaskier (oh, pardon.. Dandellion)? They come from 1986 (the latest novel being 1998). Clearly you are unaware that the vast majority of "Witcher fanbois" that post here are also BioWare fans that are extremely disappointed that Bioware games have been significantly dropping in quality.
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Post by jalis on Mar 22, 2017 16:02:06 GMT
The Witcher 3 launched with a save game corruption bug, you know stuff that ruined hours of progress for people. To avoid this kind of bug, MEA dont allow you to save
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Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). Mass Effect is not like Witcher? Fuck yes, it's a stand-alone party-based space-opera shooter with cover mechanics, not the bloody 'mature fantasy' single swordplay-action, based on the BORROWED SETTING AND CHARACTERS. Latter is commonly perceived as 'CDPR marvelous creative writing'). Which is understandable, because Witcher novels had seen the light before most of the W3 fanbase learned reading (some still had potty training on their priority list). Aen Seidhe, Cintra, Nilfgaard, dwarfs, Yenne, Geralt, Triss, Cirilla, Jaskier (oh, pardon.. Dandellion)? They come from 1986 (the latest novel being 1998). Clearly you are unaware that the vast majority of "Witcher fanbois" that post here are also BioWare fans that are extremely disappointed that Bioware games have been significantly dropping in quality. This. I've been a fan of BioWare titles for far longer than I have been a fan of The Witcher titles (the games anyway). I've been a member of the BSN for years, I'm not on the CDPR forums, nor any other gaming forums. Yet I'm the one spreading propaganda? Gimme a break.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 22, 2017 16:10:26 GMT
tl;dr version - Don't witchhunt, it's bad - Witcher 3 had 80M$ budget and wasn't made by "a bunch of slavs" - MEA animation is weird even without bugs - Maybe they'll fix, maybe not Haven't felt so enlightened in a while. The witcher 3 had LARGE majority of it's budget spent on advertising That's an outright lie. Not a mistake on your end, but an outright lie. TW3 had 80 million budget without marketing budget included.
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Post by sky on Mar 22, 2017 16:15:03 GMT
Maker, why do WitcherFans need to comapre anything to it? I'm so fucking sick of them already... They're everywhere, and it's like all they ever do is compare things to W3. I'm beginning to hate this 'game of the century' merely because of its omnipresent fanbase. Why can't they love their game more..privately? Buhu! Like it or not, there's a new gold standard for open world RPGs and every game in that mould is going to be compared to see how they stack up, not just BioWare titles. BioWare specifically get compared to CDPR on a regular basis because of the differences in each company's ethos. CDPR are so consumer friendly, whereas I haven't seen a company that has more disdain for their own fanbase than BioWare. CDPR treat their fans with respect and don't try to preach or push any ideoligies to them. BioWare on the other hand, look sternly down on their customers from a moral perspective. So yeah, the comparisons aren't going to go away any time soon. Don't like it? Go cry more. Clearly you are unaware that the vast majority of "Witcher fanbois" that post here are also BioWare fans that are extremely disappointed that Bioware games have been significantly dropping in quality. This. I've been a fan of BioWare titles for far longer than I have been a fan of The Witcher titles (the games anyway). I've been a member of the BSN for years, I'm not on the CDPR forums, nor any other gaming forums. Yet I'm the one spreading propaganda? Gimme a break. Yeah you're not fanboying out at all.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 22, 2017 16:25:17 GMT
Buhu! Like it or not, there's a new gold standard for open world RPGs and every game in that mould is going to be compared to see how they stack up, not just BioWare titles. BioWare specifically get compared to CDPR on a regular basis because of the differences in each company's ethos. CDPR are so consumer friendly, whereas I haven't seen a company that has more disdain for their own fanbase than BioWare. CDPR treat their fans with respect and don't try to preach or push any ideoligies to them. BioWare on the other hand, look sternly down on their customers from a moral perspective. So yeah, the comparisons aren't going to go away any time soon. Don't like it? Go cry more. This. I've been a fan of BioWare titles for far longer than I have been a fan of The Witcher titles (the games anyway). I've been a member of the BSN for years, I'm not on the CDPR forums, nor any other gaming forums. Yet I'm the one spreading propaganda? Gimme a break. Yeah you're not fanboying out at all. No he isn't. It is you who is fanboying, you're just being intellectually dishonest about it.
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Post by sky on Mar 22, 2017 16:32:06 GMT
Right, because starting off your posts with "Like it or not..." and throwing facts around like "the new gold standard in the industry" is being intellectual and objective.
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Post by jalis on Mar 22, 2017 16:39:00 GMT
The witcher 3 had LARGE majority of it's budget spent on advertising That's an outright lie. Not a mistake on your end, but an outright lie. TW3 had 80 million budget without marketing budget included. I just select this one among many others www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2015/06/10/the-witcher-3s-business-model-is-a-revolution/#6f45b3155f58
I can understand comparaison between MEA and TW3 can be irritating or even unfair. Imo it is probably not adequate to compare these game like that. Reality is just Witcher 3 is masterpiece, (that dont makes it exceptional in every domaine). MEA was expected to be a masterpiece, and will probably be only a good game (or worst a missed opportunity) It is more like that, comparaison must be interpreted imo. Disappointement could explain that some people can harsh with MEA in the excess.
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