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Post by Lorn on Mar 22, 2017 17:58:17 GMT
Right, because starting off your posts with "Like it or not..." and throwing facts around like "the new gold standard in the industry" is being intellectual and objective. Well seeing as BioWare hasn't produced anything that can be considered a "gold standard " in decades... Of course, by your own wording you admit that TW3 is indeed the new gold standard you're not really proving your point, if you have one besides failing at being snarky.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 22, 2017 18:16:16 GMT
Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I recall when Witcher 2 and 3 came out BioWare fans were saying "nudity doesn't make a game mature, it makes it marketed to horny teenagers". Now the shoes on the other foot and BioWare fans are becoming obvious hypocrites. Sad. Lol, great one Sir, you make my day!
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Post by cheeseandonion on Mar 22, 2017 18:25:31 GMT
BioWare devs are some of the most unlikeable in the industry. They're just Canadian.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Mar 23, 2017 6:54:07 GMT
BioWare devs are some of the most unlikeable in the industry. They're touchy, easily triggered and embarrassing and they like to cause internet drama over twitter, plus they hire people from cons or game-journalism sites that talk about "diversity" or "how games are sexist" because it fits into their canadian values. I don't blame em, Do people remember they put Jessica freakin' Chobot in ME3 for no reason at all, besides her great voice acting and delivery and superb game model? Yeah, my strategic behind has more artistic ingregrity after 4 pounds of tacos.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 23, 2017 8:20:02 GMT
BioWare devs are some of the most unlikeable in the industry. So is the Fan base. Nasty Fans
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Post by zered on Mar 23, 2017 8:38:45 GMT
They come from 1986 (the latest novel being 1998). On a side note the last novel was released in 2013.
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Post by Warrick on Mar 23, 2017 11:55:39 GMT
Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). WoW players are not mad ex-TOR players. Witcher players on these boards and the old BSN are all Bioware players. People like seboist, dutch, or slimgrin never forgave Bioware for the horrible betrayal of starting making games they don't like. So now they feel the urge of sticking it to Bioware and anyone who likes them in some sort of silly payback. Actually I haven't seen seboist in a while. Maybe he was able to move on.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 23, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). WoW players are not mad ex-TOR players. Witcher players on these boards and the old BSN are all Bioware players. People like seboist, dutch, or slimgrin never forgave Bioware for the horrible betrayal of starting making games they don't like. So now they feel the urge of sticking it to Bioware and anyone who likes them in some sort of silly payback. Actually I haven't seen seboist in a while. Maybe he was able to move on. Something ends something begins... BW discriminates its own fanbase as toxic while completely ignores any feedback since DA2's failure. So yup, thank god for CDPR!
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Post by Warrick on Mar 23, 2017 12:49:50 GMT
I rest my case.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 23, 2017 14:23:55 GMT
Wish their fans had followed the example. I'm yet to see another fandom so obsessed with preaching and propaganda. Hell, if we had that old BSN it would've been stormed by the Witcher Crusade after 21.03. You, good sir, are just another perfect case in my statistics. E.g. WoW fans love WoW, they play (guess what?) Wow. They dont' go to SWTOR, SW or NwNO forums just to inform people that games of their choice suck( and so are the players). Mass Effect fans love Mass Effect. They don't flood Mars.Warlogs\Technomancer or Destiny forums, they play their game. Witcher fans?? They would visit all of the mentioned above (+ some more). WoW players are not mad ex-TOR players. Witcher players on these boards and the old BSN are all Bioware players. People like seboist, dutch, or slimgrin never forgave Bioware for the horrible betrayal of starting making games they don't like. So now they feel the urge of sticking it to Bioware and anyone who likes them in some sort of silly payback. Actually I haven't seen seboist in a while. Maybe he was able to move on. Seb is lavochin, usually his focus on anal gives it away.
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Post by Mythgar on Mar 23, 2017 14:43:19 GMT
People compare ME to Witcher because they don't understand the concept of context. The best example is comparing non-plot missions. They say "ME has only fetch quests while Witcher has beautiful stories" 1) Witcher has classifications for its quests. It has a few side quests which are well-made, but the rest are all hunts and random fetch quests 2) Witcher does not have the concept of companions and squad members. The few well-made side quests are comparable to the entire character arc of a companion. This includes introductory dialogue (establish character), their life stories (establishing context), and then pursuing a plot mission. 3) Witcher's zone quests are part of the main quest. In MEA this is not the case. Zone quests support and complement the main quest but are not required 4) In MEA, zone quests are dispersed in such a way that they are disconnected in form but connected in function. You are improving the area as a whole. In the Witcher, they all tie together as part of the same quest. So as a result, if you are going to compare side quests in Witcher to MEA, then you need to use the proper analogy. TW3 side quests :: MEA squad and main zone missions TW3 hunts and fetch quests :: MEA scan and fetch quests I know this is a day old, but seriously this 100x. People seem to forget that ME games have these squad members who each have deep backstories, developing character arcs, and personalities all to themselves. Most other RPGs do not have this, and so those arcs equate to the major side quests that these others RPGs have.
I also have never truly understood the love for TW3 side quests. Yes, there are some very well-made ones, but it has just as many, as you said, hunts and fetch quests as most other open world RPGs, and I primarily blame this on the open world model. Honestly, I would prefer my RPGs be more linear, that way I get a more coherent and well-told experience overall. Open world games will always have boring fetch quests, because you have to fill the world with SOMETHING.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 23, 2017 15:05:56 GMT
BioWare devs are some of the most unlikeable in the industry. Like who beyond everyone's favorite punchbag Manveer, who doesn't even work there anymore? Seriously. Mac Walters.
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Post by cooldude on Mar 23, 2017 15:13:20 GMT
I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I wouldn't go that far. Andromeda focuses on family, and making friends and getting along with one another. It has very little gore compared to the previous Mass Effects. In Mass Effect 2, there were places with bodies all over, and blood splattered all over the walls in places. You cannot make your character dark, ruthless, etc, like you could with Shepard, and the two main characters are barely adults themselves. If it weren't for the sex scenes, this game would be rated T.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 23, 2017 15:14:26 GMT
I suspect it is not only "lighter tone" as you say but it looks like the game has been developed as Disney-like title rated E for everyone. There is no gore, foul language, anything that makes the game feel mature rated. I have no idea how it went and what happened but for now, it is really family friendly and while normally, it would rank up the sales and bring in investors, it did not work. Casual story telling a-la Seinfield is a different form of art and I'm sure Bioware is completely unfamiliar with it. Too casual makes no impact and becomes just a time killer while entertaining requires considerable attention to details and brilliant design. Either one is absent in MEA. And story does not fit the lighter tone. It is hard to make a story about life and death light, takes Monty Python scale of art. Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! With all the cringe that comes with it.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 23, 2017 15:21:39 GMT
Geez, have you seen some of the sex scenes!? They went full-HBO! I wouldn't go that far. Andromeda focuses on family, and making friends and getting along with one another. It has very little gore compared to the previous Mass Effects. In Mass Effect 2, there were places with bodies all over, and blood splattered all over the walls in places. You cannot make your character dark, ruthless, etc, like you could with Shepard, and the two main characters are barely adults themselves. If it weren't for the sex scenes, this game would be rated T. And I was referring specifically to the sex scenes. I haven't seen all of them, but at least two are definitely NSFW. They're like, poorly-done porn.
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Post by empirex on Mar 23, 2017 15:43:52 GMT
Like who beyond everyone's favorite punchbag Manveer, who doesn't even work there anymore? Seriously. Mac Walters. I think he's incompetent but I see nothing that makes him unlikable.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 23, 2017 15:46:54 GMT
And I was referring specifically to the sex scenes. I haven't seen all of them, but at least two are definitely NSFW. They're like, poorly-done porn. Hmm. What would you consider to be well-done porn? You haven't struck me as being much of a connoisseur.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 23, 2017 16:00:27 GMT
And I was referring specifically to the sex scenes. I haven't seen all of them, but at least two are definitely NSFW. They're like, poorly-done porn. Hmm. What would you consider to be well-done porn? You haven't struck me as being much of a connoisseur. Touche. How about "completely unnecessary and seems to only be there as fap material for the audience"? It's cruder, but probably more accurate.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 23, 2017 18:38:37 GMT
I think he's incompetent but I see nothing that makes him unlikable. Watch a couple of interviews with the guy. He is smugness incarnate.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 23, 2017 23:01:42 GMT
I think he's incompetent but I see nothing that makes him unlikable. Watch a couple of interviews with the guy. He is smugness incarnate. Well that and this:
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