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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 3, 2017 13:59:06 GMT
Nope, it got moved into the 'didn't like' thread... Aw that sucks. Merging threads makes individual conversations get lost in the pile. Fair point, though if we had a thread for every blog or review post, we'd totally drown, particularly at the moment. What didn't help the OP was not making a case but just pasting a link.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 14:00:19 GMT
Maxzero, those are only the numbers for the United States. Around the world, it has been calculated by many sources that we're now around 23% of the global population if we include bisexuals, intersex people, transgenders, pansexuals, non-binary trans people, etc. We're almost 1/4 of the global population. If you add up the percentages of all countries together, you get a global estimation of LGBT population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientationPS: Let's just say Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source, but when it comes to LGBT matters, people are pretty serious about those numbers. No you are not. Where are you getting 23% from globally? I read those numbers and no where does it say 23% globally. You are not even close to a 1/4 of the global population. You claim to be serious about these numbers yet you provide none. Oh well, stay in your safety bubble pretending we don't exist. I'm done with you.
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Post by maxzero on Apr 3, 2017 14:01:13 GMT
Maxzero, those are only the numbers for the United States. Around the world, it has been calculated by many sources that we're not around 23% of the global population if we include bisexuals, intersex people, transgenders, pansexuals, non-binary trans people, etc. If you add up the percentages of all countries together, you get a global estimation of LGBT population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientationPS: Let's just say Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source, but when it comes to LGBT matters, people are pretty serious about those numbers. Sexuality percentages in general is hard as fuck to lock down anyway. Bioware's better off actually looking at their own data for how many players complete the gay romances in their games, if they want to use numbers to justify their inclusion. It's not just about "how many gay people are there in the world", it's about "how many gay people play our games" and "how many people enjoy our gay romances regardless of their own sexual orientation or gender". Oh I agree human sexuality is very hard to quantify. But when people claim that 1/4 in people globally are gay I have to question it. I would personally prefer if Bioware stopped wasting their time on romances in general. Gay or straight they are always cringe worthy with awful writing. The Reyas 'romance' was a bad Mills and Boon novel.
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Post by maxzero on Apr 3, 2017 14:02:08 GMT
No you are not. Where are you getting 23% from globally? I read those numbers and no where does it say 23% globally. You are not even close to a 1/4 of the global population. You claim to be serious about these numbers yet you provide none. Oh well, stay in your safety bubble pretending we don't exist. I'm done with you. Never said you don't exist just saying you are not 1/4 of the population. Just for the record I grew up in probably the most gay/transgender friendly country on earth (Thailand). They were not 1/4 of the population there either. Don't make false claims and you won't be called out.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 14:04:06 GMT
Sexuality percentages in general is hard as fuck to lock down anyway. Bioware's better off actually looking at their own data for how many players complete the gay romances in their games, if they want to use numbers to justify their inclusion. It's not just about "how many gay people are there in the world", it's about "how many gay people play our games" and "how many people enjoy our gay romances regardless of their own sexual orientation or gender". Oh I agree human sexuality is very hard to quantify. But when people claim that 1/4 in people globally are gay I have to question it. I would personally prefer if Bioware stopped wasting their time on romances in general. Gay or straight they are always cringe worthy with awful writing. The Reyas 'romance' was a bad Mills and Boon novel. Well, you know, you can't always get what you want. Luckily for you, you can skip the romances entirely, while the people who enjoy them can go ahead and play them. I don't really see the problem here.
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Post by maxzero on Apr 3, 2017 14:06:15 GMT
Oh I agree human sexuality is very hard to quantify. But when people claim that 1/4 in people globally are gay I have to question it. I would personally prefer if Bioware stopped wasting their time on romances in general. Gay or straight they are always cringe worthy with awful writing. The Reyas 'romance' was a bad Mills and Boon novel. Well, you know, you can't always get what you want. Luckily for you, you can skip the romances entirely, while the people who enjoy them can go ahead and play them. I don't really see the problem here. Hey I do. Just can't help wondering how much effort Bioware spends on these 'romances' and no one is ever happy with them. Either they are too inclusive or they are not inclusive enough. Witcher just ignored it and it didn't hurt them at all. How many people buy ME games because they have varied romance options? I suspect that percentage is very small. Is it an effective use of developer time?
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 14:13:55 GMT
Well, you know, you can't always get what you want. Luckily for you, you can skip the romances entirely, while the people who enjoy them can go ahead and play them. I don't really see the problem here. Hey I do. Just can't help wondering how much effort Bioware spends on these 'romances' and no one is ever happy with them. Either they are too inclusive or they are not inclusive enough. Witcher just ignored it and it didn't hurt them at all. Witcher has set an entirely different precedent for their games, though. People expect romances in BW games, they don't expect them in Witcher games. There weren't any romances in HZD either, and that's just fine. It's inevitable that some people won't be happy with the options, but it's one thing to not be happy with the five options given to you, and it's another to feel like you're being constantly deprioritised when the options for your orientation keep getting cut last minute and you never ever get as many fleshed out options as the straight ones. It's difficult to make characters everyone will like, but it shouldn't be that difficult to treat everyone equally. EDIT: How many people buy ME games because they have varied romance options? I suspect that percentage is very small. Is it an effective use of developer time? It doesn't really matter. You could say that about the multiplayer, about the side quests, about the female protagonist, the OT's renegade options, or anything else that the minority of players actually pick and play. Bioware seem to be happy with the amount of people who play the romances, as they've stated before.
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Post by maxzero on Apr 3, 2017 14:22:48 GMT
Hey I do. Just can't help wondering how much effort Bioware spends on these 'romances' and no one is ever happy with them. Either they are too inclusive or they are not inclusive enough. Witcher just ignored it and it didn't hurt them at all. Witcher has set an entirely different precedent for their games, though. People expect romances in BW games, they don't expect them in Witcher games. There weren't any romances in HZD either, and that's just fine. It's inevitable that some people won't be happy with the options, but it's one thing to not be happy with the five options given to you, and it's another to feel like you're being constantly deprioritised when the options for your orientation keep getting cut last minute and you never ever get as many fleshed out options as the straight ones. It's difficult to make characters everyone will like, but it shouldn't be that difficult to treat everyone equally. EDIT: How many people buy ME games because they have varied romance options? I suspect that percentage is very small. Is it an effective use of developer time? It doesn't really matter. You could say that about the multiplayer, about the side quests, about the female protagonist, the OT's renegade options, or anything else that the minority of players actually pick and play. Bioware seem to be happy with the amount of people who play the romances, as they've stated before. Yes it was Bio-ware's own fault for putting in these expectations in the first place. And they could avoid all this but not putting in romances at all. Sure the first time they cut them people will have a cry. But the second time they would forget about it. Bioware discuss cutting them all the time. My advice would be to take the plunge once and see what happens.
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Post by doch on Apr 3, 2017 14:29:12 GMT
Wait, so here's a thread complaining about too many gay romances. In amongst some other threads complaining about, er, not enough gay romances. I'm getting some real mileage out of this gif... The number of gay romances, isn’t the real issue, it’s the manner in which pollical agenda is written into the game – narrow and forced (even at times breaking cannon lore). Better implementation would’ve been a more nuanced approach. Allow the player to explore different angles, and come to their own conclusion. After all, it is an rpg – supposedly. I don’t know. Maybe MEA writers were inexperienced. Thus, coming into it like a bull in a china shop. Even regular dialogue makes one cringe. Which makes me think it had more to do with inexperience. Don’t get wrong. I don’t hate the game. Planet exploration (in the Nomad), many secondary missions, weapn/armor crafting and the combat are enjoyable. The banter between Peebee and Drack is done well. I even like a lot of the humor. Although, sometimes the game drowns itself in too much humor. Overall, 6-7/10 is about right. The bugs, animations and writing are what kill it.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 3, 2017 15:45:03 GMT
BioWare are really fucking up and they might as well stop making games, and shape up their team to hire new writers. Not only have new writers but have a multicultural diverse writers to create balance, and not just sexual diverse and nothing else, and me personally they're taking the LGBT a bit too far. I understand that they want colorful characters that represents that kind of thing, but they have taken it to far and overdoing it. And they should stop being so lazy and trifling of making half ass sub par games, start listening to people, they should get people to offer them ideas to make their games better, and have team members ambitious and competitive.
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Post by duxcro on Apr 5, 2017 5:10:06 GMT
Please focus on making interesting story and characters next time. Not pleasing the LGBT minority. CD Project Red devs don't burden themselves with loud feminist and LGBT whiners. Result is Amazing & praised Witcher series.
That is all.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 5, 2017 5:12:40 GMT
"Git Gud" would have sufficed.
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Post by zaefkol on Apr 5, 2017 5:12:53 GMT
Speaking for the entirety of the LGBT community (as we all are want to do), making an interesting story with interesting characters would be pleasing us.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 5, 2017 5:14:59 GMT
Truer words have never been spoken. CD pretty much is god of western RPGs now, while Bioware is just the stable boy.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 5:16:43 GMT
BioWare is...as of lately anyways...one of the few companies/ writing teams who actually do a pretty good job and get this issue 'right. Compare Avitus Rix and Dorian Pavus say to Jack Harkness over on Torchwood.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 5, 2017 5:23:31 GMT
Why are the two exclusive? Bioware have had subpar writing long before they became progressive.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 5, 2017 5:31:28 GMT
Why are the two exclusive? Bioware have had subpar writing long before they became progressive. It was more concealed back then, now it's in full force for every one to see and cringe at.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 5, 2017 5:31:40 GMT
Why are the two exclusive? Bioware have had subpar writing long before they became progressive. Skie and Amoen come to mind...Although Amoen grew on me.
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Post by empirex on Apr 5, 2017 6:29:36 GMT
Truer words have never been spoken. CD pretty much is god of western RPGs now, while Bioware is just the stable boy. CDPR is heads above almost all video game developers. Comparing any companies against them is like bragging about how you discovered that gold was better than most of the shit in the gaming industry.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 5, 2017 16:44:12 GMT
Lol here we go. Cdpr worship check. Derpy rambling about an imagined political agenda check.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:49:00 GMT
People keep forgetting that most of the Witcher world has already been established by Andrej Sapkowsky although I still quite agree with OP, and TW3 is the best game I've ever played please don't forget that they didn't really create witcher universe from scratch like Bioware does
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 5, 2017 16:50:13 GMT
Adding to the dislike thread...
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Post by jpcab on Apr 5, 2017 21:45:57 GMT
...but not the spending. The lack of (good) music.. The actors present.. The carachters graphic problems.. They took advantage of ME fans and the sucess of the previous trilogy. The patch may solve something but not all.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 5, 2017 21:54:05 GMT
I hate shit like this. Are they supposed to not want money? Min-maxing profits doesn't just happen in games OP.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 5, 2017 21:57:37 GMT
Moving to the dislike thread...
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