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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 3, 2017 13:18:16 GMT
It amazes me that this complaint exists for this game, did they forget that in Origins you only have to be nice to Leliana for the game to think you are in a relationship with her. Then the Anders thing happened in DA2 and suddenly this stuff was a big issue and Bioware had to completely rework the romance system for DA:I and this game so it's really obvious when you are picking a flirt option and you have to pick several to lock you into the romance. Sure they are really pandering to the gays here tho and not the fragile sensibilities of straight guys.
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:19:57 GMT
Sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? The majority of the population will never be gay, not in the real world nor in a bioware game, so it's a useless point anyway. Also, being gay or trans doesn't magically prevent you from getting pregnant or donating sperm. Lots of gay couples want children, and lots of straight couples don't. lmao i know that i was debating what would happen IF the majority were gay.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:21:08 GMT
Sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? The majority of the population will never be gay, not in the real world nor in a bioware game, so it's a useless point anyway. Also, being gay or trans doesn't magically prevent you from getting pregnant or donating sperm. Lots of gay couples want children, and lots of straight couples don't. lmao i know that i was debating what would happen IF the majority were gay. ...Why? It's literally never going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 13:21:52 GMT
Yeah there's assuredly no politics in Star Wars or Star Trek or HZD or the Original Trilogy or any good art. Good point. Eyeroll. Damn right, I learned not to trust Japanese people thanks to Star Wars. Don't want them coming over anytime soon with their damn trade negotiations and homosexual droid army trying to roger roger me in the ass.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 3, 2017 13:24:17 GMT
LGBT people form about 10 to 15% of global population and it's growing each year. You say that like its a good thing. Btw im not anti lgbt im a defender of it but we need the majority of the population to be straight until we can create humans without straight intercourse. And i know insemnation does not require intercourse but its not a valid option to sustain the human species. Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try to justify it. We don't need the majority of the population to be straight. Overpopulation is an actual issue on Earth...not underpopulation...
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:26:50 GMT
Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try to justify it. We don't need the majority of the population to be straight. Overpopulation is an actual issue on Earth...not underpopulation... im not going to get defensive you have the right to your opinion if you think im a bigot for my opinion thats fine. bigotry=intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 13:27:13 GMT
Wait, so here's a thread complaining about too many gay romances. In amongst some other threads complaining about, er, not enough gay romances. I'm getting some real mileage out of this gif...
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 13:32:55 GMT
Maxzero, those are only the numbers for the United States. Around the world, it has been calculated by many sources that we're now around 23% of the global population if we include bisexuals, intersex people, transgenders, pansexuals, non-binary trans people, etc. We're almost 1/4 of the global population. If you add up the percentages of all countries together, you get a global estimation of LGBT population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientationPS: Let's just say Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source, but when it comes to LGBT matters, people are pretty serious about those numbers.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
In the context of the narrative he's spot on. It's one thing to explore political issues that may or may not be in a futuristic sci-fi space fantasy, and another entirely to inject current day polarizing political agenda. Also, it's not an "objective" vs "subjective" analysis. It just turns people off - and at the end of the day, it's gonna come down to sales. Whether they continue to implode or start afresh is up to EA/Bioware. Exactly, it just breaks the willing suspension of disbelief. These things are not in service of the immersive story they're telling - it's in service of reality in the most unsutble way possible.
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Post by arreyanne on Apr 3, 2017 13:34:31 GMT
I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. They aren't inserting anything into the game that doesn't exist in reality. They aren't putting gay people in the game for the sake of putting gay people in the game. They put them in there because they exist in reality and there's no reason to leave them out. Have no gay people would be pandering, it's just pandering to people who don't like talking about gays. They are just using a more realistic representation of people who might be on this journey. You don't think there's political themes in Deus Ex with "Aug lives matter" and HZD with themes about artificial intelligence and climate change? Come on. I seriously doubt they did that to be Politically Correct. EA is a large corporation, the only thing they care about in the board room are profits. And if they truly were expressing real life and sexual orientation, then why no gays or lesbians, or transgender in the sports game?
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 3, 2017 13:38:17 GMT
Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try to justify it. We don't need the majority of the population to be straight. Overpopulation is an actual issue on Earth...not underpopulation... im not going to get defensive you have the right to your opinion if you think im a bigot for my opinion thats fine. Well if your intentions truly aren't bigoted then I apologize for the accusation. I would ask you though, to reconsider your logic for believing the majority of the planet should be heterosexual. Factually, many issues in the world stem from overpopulation, not underpopulation.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:39:25 GMT
Maxzero, those are only the numbers for the United States. Around the world, it has been calculated by many sources that we're not around 23% of the global population if we include bisexuals, intersex people, transgenders, pansexuals, non-binary trans people, etc. If you add up the percentages of all countries together, you get a global estimation of LGBT population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientationPS: Let's just say Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source, but when it comes to LGBT matters, people are pretty serious about those numbers. Sexuality percentages in general is hard as fuck to lock down anyway. Bioware's better off actually looking at their own data for how many players complete the gay romances in their games, if they want to use numbers to justify their inclusion. It's not just about "how many gay people are there in the world", it's about "how many gay people play our games" and "how many people enjoy our gay romances regardless of their own sexual orientation or gender".
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:41:03 GMT
Factually, many issues in the world stem from overpopulation, not underpopulation. I agree
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 3, 2017 13:41:29 GMT
Did this thread just get ninja censored?
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:42:09 GMT
i guess so lol
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:42:45 GMT
It was very civil so i wonder why
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 13:43:07 GMT
Let's not forget about the huge numbers of cisgenders that still believe that transgenders are rare across the world. There are more trans people than we think. They're just afraid of being killed for telling people that they are actually the opposite gender they were assigned to at birth or feel like they're neither male or female. There are so many people hiding in the shadows that don't feel straight or cis and the more time passes, the more we see better representations of them in the media and the real world.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 3, 2017 13:43:23 GMT
Did this thread just get ninja censored? Nope, it got moved into the 'didn't like' thread... The OP was an article about stuff the poster didn't like...
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 3, 2017 13:43:57 GMT
It was very civil so i wonder why I agree. That was a weird decision to delete all those posts.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:44:32 GMT
I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. They aren't inserting anything into the game that doesn't exist in reality. They aren't putting gay people in the game for the sake of putting gay people in the game. They put them in there because they exist in reality and there's no reason to leave them out. Have no gay people would be pandering, it's just pandering to people who don't like talking about gays. They are just using a more realistic representation of people who might be on this journey. You don't think there's political themes in Deus Ex with "Aug lives matter" and HZD with themes about artificial intelligence and climate change? Come on. I seriously doubt they did that to be Politically Correct. EA is a large corporation, the only thing they care about in the board room are profits. And if they truly were expressing real life and sexual orientation, then why no gays or lesbians, or transgender in the sports game? Aren't sports games generally based on real teams? It'd have to depend on how many actual players were out in real life. It's not a bad question, though. The answer probably would be that one's sexuality rarely comes up in a sports setting. It's an entirely different thing when a part of your game has to do with romance and relationships.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 3, 2017 13:46:45 GMT
Did this thread just get ninja censored? Nope, it got moved into the 'didn't like' thread... Aw that sucks. Merging threads makes individual conversations get lost in the pile.
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Post by maxzero on Apr 3, 2017 13:54:11 GMT
Maxzero, those are only the numbers for the United States. Around the world, it has been calculated by many sources that we're now around 23% of the global population if we include bisexuals, intersex people, transgenders, pansexuals, non-binary trans people, etc. We're almost 1/4 of the global population. If you add up the percentages of all countries together, you get a global estimation of LGBT population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientationPS: Let's just say Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source, but when it comes to LGBT matters, people are pretty serious about those numbers. No you are not. Where are you getting 23% from globally? I read those numbers and no where does it say 23% globally. You are not even close to a 1/4 of the global population. You claim to be serious about these numbers yet you provide none.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 3, 2017 13:56:28 GMT
im not going to get defensive you have the right to your opinion if you think im a bigot for my opinion thats fine. Well if your intentions truly aren't bigoted then I apologize for the accusation. I would ask you though, to reconsider your logic for believing the majority of the planet should be heterosexual. Factually, many issues in the world stem from overpopulation, not underpopulation. Well, that would be a good reason to explore non-reproductive activities at least, but I'm pretty sure any longstanding gay, trans or lesbian couple would still want a child via a surrogate eventually, so I do not think the point stands too well in the end. Population is not the case in point, identity and sexuality and "social justice" is. It's about freedom from norms and breaking conventions. I always relate to some of it. I sometimes felt oppressed in middle school by the constant male-standards so I couldn't do certain things I wanted to if they were too girly but I had 2 sisters so I was used to take part in their girly pretend plays as a kid. In many ways the statement that "gender is a social construct" is true for sure but my stance has always been that it's there for a reason. We try to erode that reason and it's just bound to redefine itself in 100 years. We can never end up in a state where the world is just 100% equality between all kinds of identities because respect is not something you can force, so if a game is trying to tell me that in its reality every second person is this that or the other on the LGBTQ spectrum or race, you lose my immersion because I simply don't believe that is of human nature.
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