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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 12:34:39 GMT
If wanting to be respected and not killed is an agenda, then I am guilty as charged.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 3, 2017 12:38:45 GMT
I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. They aren't inserting anything into the game that doesn't exist in reality. They aren't putting gay people in the game for the sake of putting gay people in the game. They put them in there because they exist in reality and there's no reason to leave them out. Have no gay people would be pandering, it's just pandering to people who don't like talking about gays. They are just using a more realistic representation of people who might be on this journey. You don't think there's political themes in Deus Ex with "Aug lives matter" and HZD with themes about artificial intelligence and climate change? Come on. Actually they kinda are putting gay people in for the sake of putting gay people in. Realistically homosexuality make up roughly 2% of the population. So 1 out of every 50. Yet half our crew is gay. How is that realistic? Transgender is even lower yet we run into someone on the very first planet. How do we know she is transgender? Because she goes out and tells us straight away. Half the crew is gay?? I thought it was just Gil and Suvi!! Weird. The "rate" of people identifying as homosexual and transgendered are increasing, so they will be higher when MEA takes place. And running into someone in the first planet who is transgendered? So what. Not impossible, assuredly. The fact that you think it's weird does not mean it's wrong. I live in the conservative Midwest and still run into transgendered people. And my city population is far less that the population of the Initiative.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 12:42:18 GMT
You couldn't be more wrong, Maxzero. LGBT people form about 10 to 15% of global population and it's growing each year.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 3, 2017 12:50:59 GMT
Why even write articles when you can just cut to the chase and say "I don't want teh gays in movies/games"? Ain't fooling no one
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 3, 2017 12:51:41 GMT
God I hate politics, and I hate all the little niches of humanity BioWare feels they all have to represent in a science fiction setting supposedly filled with multiple alien species. I don't care about whites, blacks, asians, red heads, super models, average faces, straights, gays, trans-genders etc.
They are all equally boring in light of an alien like the Thorian or Rachni.
Seriously, if we want to talk about the actual "underrepresented minority" in the Mass Effect setting it would be the alien elements. I'm about 35 hours into Andromeda's campaign and I have yet to see anything that is more than a human in a rubber mask.
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 12:51:56 GMT
LGBT people form about 10 to 15% of global population and it's growing each year. You say that like its a good thing. Btw im not anti lgbt im a defender of it but we need the majority of the population to be straight until we can create humans without straight intercourse. And i know insemnation does not require intercourse but its not a valid option to sustain the human species.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 12:55:12 GMT
LGBT people form about 10 to 15% of global population and it's growing each year. You say that like its a good thing. Btw im not anti lgbt im a defender of it but we need the maj of the pop to be straight until we can create humans without straight intercourse. And i know insemination does not need sex but its not a valid option. I politely disagree.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 3, 2017 12:58:18 GMT
''Every time when someone tried to hide political agitation behind the subject of art, it turned out very poorly.'' The most un-informed pile of horseshit i've read for awhile. One example straight off the top of my head, Dune, one of the most revered works of scifi literary art of all time, was based in the environmental politics of the times. Damn near every piece of art reflects the politics of the creator, and the influence of the major politics of the times, in some way, be it consciously or sub consciously. It's not just sci-fi novels all of the various Star Trek TV shows and movies, the reboot of Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Babylon 5, Farscape, Firefly/Serenity, The Twilight Zone, Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow, The Flash, Sense8, Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, Angel, Space: 1999, and the Star Wars films have all dealt with social, racial, and political issues to some degree. Some even broke taboos like the first interracial and maybe one of the first same sex kisses were on episodes on Star Trek and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine respectfully and Babylon 5 even had a lesbian couple for a while. Hell in even animation the Universal Century era of Gundam, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Young Justice, Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Legend of Korra, Voltron: Legendary Defender, Robotech, Transformers: Beast Wars, and Transformers: Beast Machines and the original Transformers and G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero all dealt with social racial and political messages. Politics are pretty much in most video games even going back to arcades, if you can't handle it then maybe you should fine yourself a new past time or better yet grow the fuck up.
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 12:58:24 GMT
And I thank you for that
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 12:58:58 GMT
And I thank you for that Insemination is always a valid option, even for straight couples who have trouble reproducing on their own. So I disagree with your argument. Adoption is also an option.
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Post by doch on Apr 3, 2017 12:59:42 GMT
Look, obviously it's an issue, otherwise critics/gamers wouldn't be talking about it.
As Link"Guess"ski aptly points out, it "is" the elephant in the room. Well, along with the bugs, animations, storytelling, scripting/dialog... Did I leave anything out?
Case in point: My Ryder walks up to Gill, and in early in the discussion replies with something I thought was VERY neutral, non-suggestive comment and immediately I'm sucked into a romantically suggestive discourse. What did I do? Backed out to the main menu, reloaded a previous save and know I'm forced (well sort of) to be a complete a**shole to Gill and avoid him, so that my Ryder isn't "triggered" into being gay. There's a written default there that should take (IMO) more layers to get to. Maybe it was just lazy writing.
Anyway, in the previous MA series I don't recall this forced/sucked in experience. With Kaidan neither male or female Shepard went there by default, just for being nice. It took several layers of intent.
At the very least there should be more options and angles, if they want to inject the current day politics of a Starbucks employee - then let the player decide which way to go. Make it so there's no writer intended right or wrong. Allow for "critical thinking". That's an effective way to broach political concepts, and be influential. If that's their intent.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:01:07 GMT
Acknowledging that LGBT people exist is not "inserting politics into games". Get outta here with that.
See, my problem with this whole thing is when people make the fallacious argument that because Bioware is generally far left-leaning when it comes to politics, that means the quality of their games go down, when there's absolutely no evidence proving that this is true. You can think that bioware has bad writers, bad programmers, bad artists, bad designers, but it is a gigantic leap to think that all the people at bioware who do bad work do it because they're SJWs. Can't they just be bad at what they do? Can't there just be problems with management, time, resources, etc? Patrick Weekes is just as much of an "SJW" as anyone else in the company, and his writing is among some of the best Bioware has ever done. David Gaider has been with the company from Baldur's Gate II up until Inquisition, was the lead writer for what a lot of people consider Bioware's best modern RPG (DA:O), and was the guy who specifically called out straight male gamers for believing they were the only target audience for BW's games, a decidedly "SJW" thing to do.
"Politics" isn't why Bioware is seemingly "losing its edge". Believe it or not, some of us actually enjoy being represented in games, for once.
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:02:00 GMT
Insemination is always a valid option, even for straight couples who have trouble reproducing on their own. So I disagree with your argument. Adoption is also an option. i meant to sustain the human population. My bad worded that wrong.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 3, 2017 13:05:58 GMT
Insemination is always a valid option, even for straight couples who have trouble reproducing on their own. So I disagree with your argument. Adoption is also an option. i meant to sustain the human population. My bad worded that wrong. How is it not?
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 3, 2017 13:08:06 GMT
Look, obviously it's an issue, otherwise critics/gamers wouldn't be talking about it. You mean a random blog link, probably your own? How's The Force Aweakens boycot working out BTW, I kept hearing all day long how Disney sales will suffer due to all the agenda and PC getting "shoved" in. Case in point: My Ryder walks up to Gill, and in early in the discussion replies with something I thought was VERY neutral, non-suggestive comment and immediately I'm sucked into a romantically suggestive discourse. What did I do? Backed out to the main menu, reloaded a previous save and know I'm forced (well sort of) to be a complete a**shole to Gill and avoid him, so that my Ryder isn't "triggered" into being gay. There's a written default there that should take (IMO) more layers to get to. Maybe it was just lazy writing. Congrats on picking dialogue option with a GIANT HEART icon. What an unexpected twist that it led to flirt dialogue. Just pick non-flirt options, none of which is mean to Gil (not like you actually care about that, again, ain't foolin' no one)
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 3, 2017 13:08:55 GMT
I do think Bioware is clumsy in the way they choose to do LGBT+ representation but that isn't really a numbers issue or the fact that they do it at all, which seems to be what most people complaining about this are talking about. Even if the entire crew was gay that wouldn't be "unrealistic", unlikely sure but likely and realistic are not the same thing.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 3, 2017 13:09:04 GMT
Insemination is always a valid option, even for straight couples who have trouble reproducing on their own. So I disagree with your argument. Adoption is also an option. i meant to sustain the human population. My bad worded that wrong. Again, I'll have to politely disagree there. There are plenty of ways to reproduce and this is a science-fiction game we're talking about, where technologies and sciences are so advanced that is no longer a problem. Even now it's not a huge deal since this planet is already overpopulated but we still manage to make progress with our own sciences and technologies when it comes to insemination and surrogate mothers.
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Post by doch on Apr 3, 2017 13:10:08 GMT
There's tons of heart icons that don't lead or go anywhere.
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:30 GMT
because i doubt the majority of people would do it both the women and men thats alot of semen they would need like at least 50% to 60% of all men would need to donate or more. And most woman would have to get impregnated via that sperm plus the maj of woman would be gay. so if the majority of the population was gay or trans we would die out.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:51 GMT
There's tons of heart icons that don't lead or go anywhere. Oh please. Learn how to play the game before you start complaining. If you ended up in a flirty conversation with a guy then that's entirely your fault.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 3, 2017 13:13:16 GMT
What an interesting article, but Dutch is already good enough on delivering my daily dose of homophobia. Can we limit amount of these threads somehow?
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Post by cybercache188 on Apr 3, 2017 13:14:31 GMT
Again, I'll have to politely disagree there. There are plenty of ways to reproduce and this is a science-fiction game we're talking about, where technologies and sciences are so advanced that is no longer a problem. Even now it's not a huge deal since this planet is already overpopulated but we still manage to make progress with our own sciences and technologies when it comes to insemination and surrogate mothers. im talking about real life it was a response to your 10% to 15% and growing lgbt population comment you made.
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Post by bigbad on Apr 3, 2017 13:16:46 GMT
Case in point: My Ryder walks up to Gill, and in early in the discussion replies with something I thought was VERY neutral, non-suggestive comment and immediately I'm sucked into a romantically suggestive discourse. What did I do? Backed out to the main menu, reloaded a previous save and know I'm forced (well sort of) to be a complete a**shole to Gill and avoid him, so that my Ryder isn't "triggered" into being gay. There's a written default there that should take (IMO) more layers to get to. Maybe it was just lazy writing. The Onion diagnosed your problem almost 20 years ago.
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 3, 2017 13:16:56 GMT
because i doubt the majority of people would do it both the women and men thats alot of semen they would need like at least 50% to 60% of all men would need to donate or more. And most woman would have to get impregnated via that sperm plus the maj of woman would be gay. so if the majority of the population was gay or trans we would die out. Sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? The majority of the population will never be gay, not in the real world nor in a bioware game, so it's a useless point anyway. Also, being gay or trans doesn't magically prevent you from getting pregnant or donating sperm. Lots of gay couples want children, and lots of straight couples don't.
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