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Post by Sanunes on Mar 23, 2017 19:34:17 GMT
Compare it to ME1, not what ME3 was as a biproduct of 1, 2 and itself, please. To hammer this point down, try to remember back to your very first playthrough of ME1 and remember how attatched you felt or how much you care about the plot before ME2 and ME3 substantiated the themes and backstories built up by ME1. That said, I think it's weaker than ME1 because it skimps way too much on context but I have a feeling this is due to poor planning and cut story segments (happens in very game; then they have to reassemble a plot from the remaining setpieces) and not because they're just dumb writers. It's also an issue of "too many cooks in the kitchen" though. That said both MEA and ME1 had around 5 core writers to shape up the backbone and lore. The remaining 5 writers came on later and similarly Patrick Weekes did not join ME1 until the very end when all they needed was extra side missions. I think you put it better then I did. I think comparing Andromeda to the first three games is always going to lose because they kept fixing and improving the game, so in hindsight Mass Effect 1 was improved by the character relations of Mass Effect 2 for I thought the characters were horribly written and almost mute in Mass Effect 1.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 23, 2017 19:35:31 GMT
Look at this this way; you can open a new chapter. There will be many great franchises that you'll see ruined during your time on planet Earth. Even more franchises overstaying it's welcome. The hollow shell known as BioWare isn't the BioWare of Muzyka and Zeschuk. You're looking at one of many faces of EA that releases games not because they're ready, but because of paperwork. Snap out of it. Stop following companies, start following creators and talent. BioWare prior to EA released buggy and incomplete games as well Jade Empire comes to mind for that, Mass Effect 1's videos prior to launch were the most misleading BioWare has done as well. Just to blame EA is shortsighted and ignores the overall changes to the industry such as the size of teams that make games and the cost of actually making a game. That all impacts the bottom line to expect BioWare to behave the same now as they did back then even if EA wasn't involved is just wishful thinking that won't come true.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 23, 2017 19:35:49 GMT
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 23, 2017 19:38:11 GMT
Agreed. I was getting mainly 40-50 fps playing with a 970m at the same resolution as you but with all other settings maxed, and that's certainly playable. But I'm a casual gamer by this guy's definition, so what do I know? Maybe the threshold for playability for real gamers is 59 fps. Actually 40 to 50 FPS is perfectly acceptable and you don't know my definition of a casual gamer either.Sure I do. We all do, since you gave it in this very thread.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 23, 2017 19:39:20 GMT
Friendly reminder: please stick to the issues (ie. topic) and not get into personal stuff.
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Post by michaelpatty on Mar 23, 2017 19:42:16 GMT
You know, when you guys post ugly critique like this, it kind of ruins it a little for those of us still playing and enjoying the game. Which brings up a point. Why isn't there a critique/review section for Mass Effect (and for each BioWare game)? That way the people who want to read that kind of thing can, while those that don't can safely ignore it and keep playing the game for the awesome and quirky game it is?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:42:54 GMT
The URL for this thread says "Andromeda generic depressing insults".
Says all I need to know...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 23, 2017 19:47:41 GMT
ME2 killed the franchise. See? I posted an opinion too. I loved that game, and I agree with this post. The two are not mutually exclusive. ME2 set us up for a big mess, story-wise. It could have turned out better in the finale, but lol
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 23, 2017 19:47:54 GMT
I actually like it better then MET. I get tired of save the world bullshit stories. It is overplayed, and a little boring. I actually like being an explorer, and doing just that. Exploring! Also, the combat is the best is has ever been.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 23, 2017 19:48:31 GMT
You know, when you guys post ugly critique like this, it kind of ruins it a little for those of us still playing and enjoying the game. Which brings up a point. Why isn't there a critique/review section for Mass Effect (and for each BioWare game)? That way the people who want to read that kind of thing can, while those that don't can safely ignore it and keep playing the game for the awesome and quirky game it is? A better question would be where is the critique to begin with. All I read was a melancholy rant that said the game was boring. Examples to showcase that would be nice to provide context as to how you describe it as boring would go a long way. Is it the overall plot of "finding a home?" that makes it feel aimless, compared to "save the world" arcs were used to? Is it the very slow and relaxing pace of the game compared to the immediacy of 2 and 3? Is it the sense of blind optimism the game is presenting that rubs people the wrong way? What is it really in the end, the OP cites it being generic...but what makes it generic?
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Post by joglee on Mar 23, 2017 19:51:15 GMT
I actually like it better then MET. I get tired of save the world bullshit stories. It is overplayed, and a little boring. I actually like being an explorer, and doing just that. Exploring! Also, the combat is the best is has ever been. Same. Every game is doing the whole save the world quest line. It's generic and boring and overdone. However ME:A plays out like firefly, GOTG, and many other things. Personally I'm glad I'm not saying the universe and instead can have a rag tag bunch just exploring the galaxy trying to do some good.
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Post by michaelpatty on Mar 23, 2017 19:51:50 GMT
BioWare prior to EA released buggy and incomplete games as well Jade Empire comes to mind for that... Hey, Now. I LOVED Jade Empire.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 23, 2017 19:52:03 GMT
You know, when you guys post ugly critique like this, it kind of ruins it a little for those of us still playing and enjoying the game. Which brings up a point. Why isn't there a critique/review section for Mass Effect (and for each BioWare game)? That way the people who want to read that kind of thing can, while those that don't can safely ignore it and keep playing the game for the awesome and quirky game it is? I believe there is a skepticism thread
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 23, 2017 19:56:03 GMT
The URL for this thread says "Andromeda generic depressing insults". Says all I need to know... lol Not condoning or condemning any particular viewpoint, but yeah, points to the forum's URL summarization algorithm on that one
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 23, 2017 20:01:42 GMT
It's almost like there is a pre-existing thread, or several in fact, where this opinion could be spewed (yes, I'm saying spewed on purpose), instead of once again filling up the 1st page with more one-off same-old drivel.
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Post by michaelpatty on Mar 23, 2017 20:01:48 GMT
I believe there is a skepticism thread Perhaps this should be moved there, then? EDIT: Although that seems an odd category now that I think about it. Something perhaps more suitable to a forum on religion or perhaps one about little green men. I mean, I don't agree with the guy at all, and his vitriolic presentation leaves me less than impressed. But it is his opinion and he's entitled to it. I just would like to not see that kind of title in the General Discussion thread.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2017 20:02:00 GMT
I don't mind differing opinions but DON'T speak for me. As a huge fan of the original trilogy i do not feel insulted. And judging by the opinions on this board most people share this opinion of non insult.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 20:03:54 GMT
I disagree with some of the criticism directed at the story and characters. I think ME:A is mostly on par with the other games in the series as far as that goes. The jokes and constant Whedonesque quips are way overdone, but even so this far from being the most poorly written chapter in the series. It is better written than ME1, which had the biggest plothole in the series and only two squadmates with a personality (Wrex and Ashley).If ME:A had been the first game in the series people would be absolutely trashing the story and characters in ME1. Thankfully ME1 has an invincible Shield of Nostalgia.
Where ME:A falls short as far as story and characters is with presentation. The poor animations can be immersion breaking and make you focus on the technical flaws rather than what is being said.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 23, 2017 20:04:14 GMT
Yeah, its pretty directionless. Its like they tossed a whole bunch of clay together, but never got around, or couldn't, to shaping and forming it.
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Post by anacronian on Mar 23, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
I believe there is a skepticism thread Perhaps this should be moved there, then? Why?
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Post by vonuber on Mar 23, 2017 20:05:31 GMT
Oh and it is 'its fans', not 'it's fans'.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 23, 2017 20:10:30 GMT
Yeah, its pretty directionless. Its like they tossed a whole bunch of clay together, but never got around, or couldn't, to shaping and forming it. But there is a direction, that's the thing. It's just a very nebulous one because the mandate is to "discover a new home." From what ive played thus far, you are basically part Meriwether Lewis, part Henry Kissinger, acting as explorer and diplomat to navigate a very gray political area to get what you, and by proxy, most of the Initiative, wants in the end. Everything with the Angara, for example, illustrates that principle. It's politics of action, meaning you have to shift priorities a bit to get what you want and go on adventures to meet your goal. It does make Ryder a bit more reactive than pro-active, but exploration is about reactivity, so it makes sense in the narrative.
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Post by michaelpatty on Mar 23, 2017 20:11:04 GMT
Yeah, its pretty directionless. Its like they tossed a whole bunch of clay together, but never got around, or couldn't, to shaping and forming it. I think the reason it can feel like that is because it's so ambitiously wide open and huge. BioWare stayed well clear of open-world games for this reason. All this backlash is likely to send them back to the "narrow path" thinking. Myself, I think you CAN have a perfect merging of open world with story depth. But it would take a hell of a lot of man-hours. So BioWare's effort at that is MEA. Personally I think it's not bad for their first stab at such an ambitious goal. I hope they keep perfecting it, and ignore the nay-sayers.
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