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Post by vonuber on Mar 23, 2017 23:46:43 GMT
Good luck. I already have Horizon Zero Dawn and in two weeks one of the GOTY contenders is being released, Persona 5. Not enough money or time for mediocrity. How do you know a game is a GOTY contender before it's been released and you have played it? Ever heard of confirmation bias?
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Post by lyvean on Mar 23, 2017 23:52:11 GMT
Good luck. I already have Horizon Zero Dawn and in two weeks one of the GOTY contenders is being released, Persona 5. Not enough money or time for mediocrity. How do you know a game is a GOTY contender before it's been released and you have played it? Ever heard of confirmation bias? It has already been released in Japan where it got amazing reviews and all the preview plays here suggest an astonishing game. Besides, it is Persona, their track record is immaculate. On other news, in one moment, one of the main character in MEA says "sigh". He doesn't sigh. He says sigh. That's some great writing right there after 5 years of dev time and EA resources to back the game up. /sigh.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 23, 2017 23:54:06 GMT
Wow! Pro-Trump/Anti-Trump politics have made it to the gaming forums? Whatever. I'm not "supporting" anyone. I'm enjoying a game. Wow... That's more a product of Gamergate than Trump. We'd have those clowns around no matter what happened in politics.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 23, 2017 23:55:56 GMT
On other news, in one moment, one of the main character in MEA says "sigh". He doesn't sigh. He says sigh. That's some great writing right there after 5 years of dev time and EA resources to back the game up. /sigh. In other news, one of the main charachters in ME1 says this: Bad writing is bad writing. People just pick and choose what they want to see - as I said, confirmation bias.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 24, 2017 0:01:53 GMT
On other news, in one moment, one of the main character in MEA says "sigh". He doesn't sigh. He says sigh. That's some great writing right there after 5 years of dev time and EA resources to back the game up. /sigh. In other news, one of the main charachters in ME1 says this: Bad writing is bad writing. People just pick and choose what they want to see - as I said, confirmation bias. Yes. But that is ten years ago. This is the fourth game in the series and others have been released in between. They weren't then the big EA developer they are now. The plan is to always get better, not worse, and, in total, ME1 has superior writing than this. So, it is not pick and choose. It is a nice, juicy fact. If you can actively make an argument that MEA has better writing than ME1 then you clearly deserve what you are getting. Also, you should understand the difference between bad writing and misused words and phrases in a script. The latter should be basic knowledge if you want to get paid as a professional.
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 24, 2017 0:08:01 GMT
For the love of god, do not buy this game. Already did. Guess what? I'm having fun! You're welcome to your opinions. Nice and dandy. I prefer to enjoy myself, having fun instead of whining about things I do not like. Simple as that.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 24, 2017 0:11:06 GMT
For the love of god, do not buy this game. Already did. Guess what? I'm having fun! You're welcome to your opinions. Nice and dandy. I prefer to enjoy myself, having fun instead of whining about things I do not like. Simple as that. Oh, I prefer to complain about things I do not like and celebrate the ones I like. After I do that, I move on. I am glad you are enjoying the game. I hope you get at least two sequels like this, truly.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 24, 2017 0:11:30 GMT
Yes. But that is ten years ago. This is the fourth game in the series and others have been released in between. They weren't then the big EA developer they are now. The plan is to always get better, not worse, and, in total, ME1 has superior writing than this. So, it is not pick and choose. It is a nice, juicy fact. If you can actively make an argument that MEA has better writing than ME1 then you clearly deserve what you are getting. Also, you should understand the difference between bad writing and misused words and phrases in a script. The latter should be basic knowledge if you want to get paid as a professional. ME:A does have good writing. It is certainly funnier than ME1. I've not finished ME:A yet and so am not in a position to judge whether their is the equivalent of Kaidan's "Big place!" line, but we'll see. I let you know if I hit that particular dialogue high again. Maybe Ryder will ask Jaal whether his species produce with each other. Or maybe the Archon will have a melt down on his ship like Saren did, complete with scary music. Can't wait.
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Post by Transcendent on Mar 24, 2017 0:12:40 GMT
I'm going to pre-face this post by saying I am very skeptical person by nature and held Bioware in even more contempt than most in regards to ME3's endings (still do). Andromeda starts slow. There are some generic aspects, of course. A lot of games have that aspect about them. Initially, I wasn't so sure what to think. But after playing and watching, I don't get how you can have this level of negative thoughts against it. It's a huge game. You're doing what the game sets you out to do. Explore. Terraform worlds. That's what the central plot is about and the climax of the game affirms that. The characters, for a first installment, are actually really good. Outside of Tali and Garrus, I can't think of any characters from ME1 that are better than Cora, Peebee, Jaal or Vetra. They all have organic, natural motivations that make sense in the context of the game itself. The combat is amazing, the side quests sometimes are tedious but others make sense when you look at the context of the reasoning.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 24, 2017 0:14:15 GMT
Yes. But that is ten years ago. This is the fourth game in the series and others have been released in between. They weren't then the big EA developer they are now. The plan is to always get better, not worse, and, in total, ME1 has superior writing than this. So, it is not pick and choose. It is a nice, juicy fact. If you can actively make an argument that MEA has better writing than ME1 then you clearly deserve what you are getting. Also, you should understand the difference between bad writing and misused words and phrases in a script. The latter should be basic knowledge if you want to get paid as a professional. ME:A does have good writing. It is certainly funnier than ME1. I've not finished ME:A yet and so am not in a position to judge whether their is the equivalent of Kaidan's "Big place!" line, but we'll see. I let you know if I hit that particular dialogue high again. Maybe Ryder will ask Jaal whether his species produce with each other. Or maybe the Archon will have a melt down on his ship like Saren did, complete with scary music. Can't wait. Good writing is also mainly about style when it comes to a visual medium, style and timing. You understand that the way characters speak in a BioWare game is not human, right? Meeting a person and just asking him/her all the questions in the world like it is an info drone is not how interactions are done. You should at least understand that. If you don't, take a look at Uncharted, the Last of Us or the Witcher 3. You will be immediately educated on what characterization and interaction is between two characters who must appear human.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 0:16:57 GMT
This is The Force Awakens thing all over again. You take something people love and make a sequel to it, and reactions follow! Only difference is we still have our George Lucas, love you Mac!
For people not understanding what i mean. If you don't like ME:A that is ok and understandable, but you got to stop comparing it so much to the original trilogy. You haven't spent 3 games with these companions yet, and you haven't explored this universe for 3 games either and grown attached to it. Its easy to forget that you had an incredibly adventure with Shepard, and its hard to get over it.
The Mass Effect name like the Star Wars one did create unbelieve expectations for their sequels. That said i get that people dislike the game for a number of reasons, and feel free to express them. Safe space for everyone to share.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 24, 2017 0:21:23 GMT
You outta know what you're getting into by reading the title. "You mad?" Yeah, I'm mad. You bet your quad I'm mad. 5 years I waited. 5 loooong years, and this what they have to show for it? I was LIVID about ME3's ending. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would bring this series back into a positive light. So this is going to be a very angry rant, because this is 5 years of faith and patience being unrewarded, coming out to ventilate. You know why this game really sucks the shit ring off my toilet? It ain't the bad animations, the poorly designed UI, or the bugs. It's none other than the goddamn story. The plot, the themes, the tone, the characters, all of it. People can yell "Bad animations! Bad animations!" all they please. But bad animations would've been forgiven, if the story of this game had been good. That's pretty much what happened with ME1. People forgave all it's huge flaws because of it's endearing story. I would welcome with wide open arms, all the bad animations, bugs, and poorly designed UI, for a story that had good presentation, a compelling plot, and great characters. But Andromeda's story is poorly told, generic, and worst yet, it's boring. B O R I N GI look back on the Original Trilogy. The great directing, it's mystery, amazing characters, interesting scenarios, it's cinematic storytelling, and it's wonderful music, and I compare them to this game, and it's almost like it's not even in the same franchise. It's like a generic Sci Fi game, with a Mass Effect paint job. The worst cutscene in the Original Trilogy, is better presented, and more interesting than anything I've seen storywise in this game. The people who made this game have ZERO passion. They don't understand nor care what made Mass Effect so beloved. If the ending to ME3 didn't kill the franchise, this game sure as fuck did. If you like Andromeda, more power to you, but I honestly cannot understand how you're satisfied with this game. How you can look back at the trilogy, and all the wonderful times it gave us, and then still feel "Oh yea....Mass Effect: Andromeda? Totally worth the wait. This is where it's at." Because this game does not deserve the name Mass Effect. Fuck Bioware Montreal. Fuck Mac Walters. And fuck EA. All I have are memories now. You're a whiny lil bitch, you know that? I saw the 0 you gave on your metacritic review and then came here and posted a thread with same title to say the exact same thing over again. (Art is not a democracy or some other generic internet bullshit.) I've been watching you for a week, bitch and moan and complain and cry about how you don't like this game and can't get over it. Well you'll have to soon, the number of people who give a shit is rapidly decreasing. Not that it was ever that high to begin with. If it were you wouldn't have to repeat yourself so damn often in so many places at once. Which brings me to this: Mass Effect 3 was 5 years ago. The old BSN spent 5 years talking about it. If you missed that it was your own fault and if you miss that theres an story section for people who STILL want to be mad at people who don't even work for BioWare anymore. Get over it, Princess. Better yet: Get a refund, grow a quad or walk it off. Now, I have 30 mins of MEA to get in before I have to leave and enter the real world. Imma spend it flirting with alien butts.
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 24, 2017 0:28:26 GMT
Your post will probably get deleted soon though. But gotta love your honesty.
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Post by tantumdicverbo on Mar 24, 2017 0:34:16 GMT
...But I gave them the benefit of the doubt... Well, that's your problem, right there.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 24, 2017 0:38:51 GMT
You will be immediately educated on what characterization and interaction is between two characters who must appear human. Oh I see, thank you for pointing out how humans talk to each other in the real world; that's not condescending in the slightest. Point is to say ME:A writing is uniformly terrible you would have to apply the same to the MET. In reality all 4 games have good and bad bits, but it appears that's just too nuanced a position to take for some. Oh well, I guess we just fight or we die, you big stupid jellyfish. Anyone seen my sister? Think she's been kidnapped again.
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Post by Garo on Mar 24, 2017 0:40:51 GMT
I'm actually really enjoying this game. Even medicore ME game is far better than most games these days lol.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 24, 2017 0:56:34 GMT
I'm going to pre-face this post by saying I am very skeptical person by nature and held Bioware in even more contempt than most in regards to ME3's endings (still do). Andromeda starts slow. There are some generic aspects, of course. A lot of games have that aspect about them. Initially, I wasn't so sure what to think. But after playing and watching, I don't get how you can have this level of negative thoughts against it. I t's a huge game. You're doing what the game sets you out to do. Explore. Terraform worlds. That's what the central plot is about and the climax of the game affirms that. The characters, for a first installment, are actually really good. Outside of Tali and Garrus, I can't think of any characters from ME1 that are better than Cora, Peebee, Jaal or Vetra. They all have organic, natural motivations that make sense in the context of the game itself. The combat is amazing, the side quests sometimes are tedious but others make sense when you look at the context of the reasoning. Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 1:05:11 GMT
I'm going to pre-face this post by saying I am very skeptical person by nature and held Bioware in even more contempt than most in regards to ME3's endings (still do). Andromeda starts slow. There are some generic aspects, of course. A lot of games have that aspect about them. Initially, I wasn't so sure what to think. But after playing and watching, I don't get how you can have this level of negative thoughts against it. I t's a huge game. You're doing what the game sets you out to do. Explore. Terraform worlds. That's what the central plot is about and the climax of the game affirms that. The characters, for a first installment, are actually really good. Outside of Tali and Garrus, I can't think of any characters from ME1 that are better than Cora, Peebee, Jaal or Vetra. They all have organic, natural motivations that make sense in the context of the game itself. The combat is amazing, the side quests sometimes are tedious but others make sense when you look at the context of the reasoning. Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda. Yeah. Nihlus was my favorite! They went so deep with his character arc. I totally agree with ya!
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Post by Mythgar on Mar 24, 2017 1:05:46 GMT
You're welcome to have your own opinion, but please refrain from spouting things like "The developers had no passion, and care nothing for what their fans wanted" because I wholeheartedly disagree, and feel that Andromeda is a step in a new and GOOD direction. The plot may be a bit generic thus far, but I love the characters, the combat, and the exploration. You are welcome to your opinion, but just keep in mind that it is only that, and you are not speaking for the entire fanbase. Thanks.
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Post by Transcendent on Mar 24, 2017 1:12:45 GMT
I'm going to pre-face this post by saying I am very skeptical person by nature and held Bioware in even more contempt than most in regards to ME3's endings (still do). Andromeda starts slow. There are some generic aspects, of course. A lot of games have that aspect about them. Initially, I wasn't so sure what to think. But after playing and watching, I don't get how you can have this level of negative thoughts against it. I t's a huge game. You're doing what the game sets you out to do. Explore. Terraform worlds. That's what the central plot is about and the climax of the game affirms that. The characters, for a first installment, are actually really good. Outside of Tali and Garrus, I can't think of any characters from ME1 that are better than Cora, Peebee, Jaal or Vetra. They all have organic, natural motivations that make sense in the context of the game itself. The combat is amazing, the side quests sometimes are tedious but others make sense when you look at the context of the reasoning. Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda. You're talking to someone who romanced Liara all the time. Liara in ME1 was nothing special at all. Her characters motivations were shallow and the transition in to "liking" Shepard didn't seem natural at all. Wrex is a debatable one, but Drack is also a very similar character in terms of quality. Ashley was a garbage character and it speaks volumes about your opinion simply because you judge a character based on what they look like. I find Cora more attractive than Ashley. Benezia? lol no. Saren? Debatable but from much of what we know, most of his characterization is Sovereign motivated. Joker and Kallo are a wash for me. Seriously, Nihlus? Really? We see him for like 4 seconds.. In contrast, instead of blindly hating a game because of how characters look, look at how they act and back story. Cora and Peebee are very well written. Same with Drack. Jaal is like a mixture of Garrus and Javik and that's great in my book.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 24, 2017 1:24:13 GMT
You outta know what you're getting into by reading the title. "You mad?" Yeah, I'm mad. You bet your quad I'm mad. 5 years I waited. 5 loooong years, and this what they have to show for it? I was LIVID about ME3's ending. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would bring this series back into a positive light. So this is going to be a very angry rant, because this is 5 years of faith and patience being unrewarded, coming out to ventilate. You know why this game really sucks the shit ring off my toilet? It ain't the bad animations, the poorly designed UI, or the bugs. It's none other than the goddamn story. The plot, the themes, the tone, the characters, all of it. People can yell "Bad animations! Bad animations!" all they please. But bad animations would've been forgiven, if the story of this game had been good. That's pretty much what happened with ME1. People forgave all it's huge flaws because of it's endearing story. I would welcome with wide open arms, all the bad animations, bugs, and poorly designed UI, for a story that had good presentation, a compelling plot, and great characters. But Andromeda's story is poorly told, generic, and worst yet, it's boring. B O R I N GI look back on the Original Trilogy. The great directing, it's mystery, amazing characters, interesting scenarios, it's cinematic storytelling, and it's wonderful music, and I compare them to this game, and it's almost like it's not even in the same franchise. It's like a generic Sci Fi game, with a Mass Effect paint job. The worst cutscene in the Original Trilogy, is better presented, and more interesting than anything I've seen storywise in this game. The people who made this game have ZERO passion. They don't understand nor care what made Mass Effect so beloved. If the ending to ME3 didn't kill the franchise, this game sure as fuck did. If you like Andromeda, more power to you, but I honestly cannot understand how you're satisfied with this game. How you can look back at the trilogy, and all the wonderful times it gave us, and then still feel "Oh yea....Mass Effect: Andromeda? Totally worth the wait. This is where it's at." Because this game does not deserve the name Mass Effect. Fuck Bioware Montreal. Fuck Mac Walters. And fuck EA. All I have are memories now. Good thing the old games still exist! No one is forcing you to play this game when many people love it. I love the old games, but this game is by far my favorite. Thank you Bioware for doing something different with the franchise. The game is huge, gorgeous, mysterious, and a ton of fun! As much as I loved the OT characters, I love the new characters just as much for different reasons.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 24, 2017 1:27:33 GMT
You outta know what you're getting into by reading the title. "You mad?" Yeah, I'm mad. You bet your quad I'm mad. 5 years I waited. 5 loooong years, and this what they have to show for it? I was LIVID about ME3's ending. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would bring this series back into a positive light. So this is going to be a very angry rant, because this is 5 years of faith and patience being unrewarded, coming out to ventilate. You know why this game really sucks the shit ring off my toilet? It ain't the bad animations, the poorly designed UI, or the bugs. It's none other than the goddamn story. The plot, the themes, the tone, the characters, all of it. People can yell "Bad animations! Bad animations!" all they please. But bad animations would've been forgiven, if the story of this game had been good. That's pretty much what happened with ME1. People forgave all it's huge flaws because of it's endearing story. I would welcome with wide open arms, all the bad animations, bugs, and poorly designed UI, for a story that had good presentation, a compelling plot, and great characters. But Andromeda's story is poorly told, generic, and worst yet, it's boring. B O R I N GI look back on the Original Trilogy. The great directing, it's mystery, amazing characters, interesting scenarios, it's cinematic storytelling, and it's wonderful music, and I compare them to this game, and it's almost like it's not even in the same franchise. It's like a generic Sci Fi game, with a Mass Effect paint job. The worst cutscene in the Original Trilogy, is better presented, and more interesting than anything I've seen storywise in this game. The people who made this game have ZERO passion. They don't understand nor care what made Mass Effect so beloved. If the ending to ME3 didn't kill the franchise, this game sure as fuck did. If you like Andromeda, more power to you, but I honestly cannot understand how you're satisfied with this game. How you can look back at the trilogy, and all the wonderful times it gave us, and then still feel "Oh yea....Mass Effect: Andromeda? Totally worth the wait. This is where it's at." Because this game does not deserve the name Mass Effect. Fuck Bioware Montreal. Fuck Mac Walters. And fuck EA. All I have are memories now. Good thing the old games still exist! No one is forcing you to play this game when many people love it. I love the old games, but this game is by far my favorite. Thank you Bioware for doing something different with the franchise. The game is huge, gorgeous, mysterious, and a ton of fun! As much as I loved the OT characters, I love the new characters just as much for different reasons. it's not quite there for me. But it could be.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 24, 2017 1:29:18 GMT
Manveer was one person out of hundreds contracted to work on the game. There are shitty people in every company. And he's not with the company anymore. I don't know about you, but I have never known a job where a normal employee is paid off a game's profits especially after they are let go/part ways. Do your research so you don't come off as a dumb ass.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 1:33:40 GMT
I've had hours to calm myself and think about the game more, and....my point still stands.
This game honestly feels like a spin off. It just doesn't come close to having the same quality as the trilogy, in so many aspects. Perhaps this would've been easier to swallow if Bioware Edmonton were working on a new Mass Effect trilogy, that takes place hundreds of years after the Milky Way's settlement in Andromeda, and this game developed by Montreal, was just to bridge that gap. But no. This is it. THIS is our new Mass Effect.
Everything about this game just SCREAMS it had a troubled development. We all knew it. Casey Hudson jumped ship. Key developers were being let go left and right. Chris Schlerf who was suppose to be it's lead writer, ended up leaving production at some random point, and we don't know why. The facial animations, the bugs, the scuttlebutt from former employees, it all adds up. This was a game that was a victim of developmental hell, caused by bad company policies, infighting, and poor management.
And you know what the real sad part is? "Mass Effect 5", or "ME: Andromeda 2" if you prefer, is something that's no longer a guarantee at this point. Even if it does get made, we now know that it'll be made in a toxic and broken environment, by a bunch of developers who have no passion. Unless EA hands the series back to Edmonton, which I don't see happening, this series is pretty much dead at this point.
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