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Post by suikoden on Mar 24, 2017 1:33:43 GMT
Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda. You're talking to someone who romanced Liara all the time. Liara in ME1 was nothing special at all. Her characters motivations were shallow and the transition in to "liking" Shepard didn't seem natural at all. Wrex is a debatable one, but Drack is also a very similar character in terms of quality. Ashley was a garbage character and it speaks volumes about your opinion simply because you judge a character based on what they look like. I find Cora more attractive than Ashley. Benezia? lol no. Saren? Debatable but from much of what we know, most of his characterization is Sovereign motivated. Joker and Kallo are a wash for me. Seriously, Nihlus? Really? We see him for like 4 seconds.. In contrast, instead of blindly hating a game because of how characters look, look at how they act and back story. Cora and Peebee are very well written. Same with Drack. Jaal is like a mixture of Garrus and Javik and that's great in my book. Agree to disagree. All of those characters, however minor their role, stood out to me and were memorable because the story in Mass Effect 1 was excellent. Andromeda, imo, is a snoozefest of generic cliches. And I don't care about any of its characters. Ideally I'd do missions solo to avoid their awful banter.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 24, 2017 1:36:28 GMT
I'm going to pre-face this post by saying I am very skeptical person by nature and held Bioware in even more contempt than most in regards to ME3's endings (still do). Andromeda starts slow. There are some generic aspects, of course. A lot of games have that aspect about them. Initially, I wasn't so sure what to think. But after playing and watching, I don't get how you can have this level of negative thoughts against it. I t's a huge game. You're doing what the game sets you out to do. Explore. Terraform worlds. That's what the central plot is about and the climax of the game affirms that. The characters, for a first installment, are actually really good. Outside of Tali and Garrus, I can't think of any characters from ME1 that are better than Cora, Peebee, Jaal or Vetra. They all have organic, natural motivations that make sense in the context of the game itself. The combat is amazing, the side quests sometimes are tedious but others make sense when you look at the context of the reasoning. Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda. How far are you actually in the game? If by fleshed out characters, you mean just the intros, then I imagine you don't get the concept of presenting a new story in a new way. These characters have a ton more depth and dialogue to them. The presentation of really most things in the game are less dramatic and feel more organic. The characters move around the ship and engage in conversations with one another instead of sitting in the same place "calibrating" for 60 hours of gameplay.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 24, 2017 1:38:55 GMT
Good thing the old games still exist! No one is forcing you to play this game when many people love it. I love the old games, but this game is by far my favorite. Thank you Bioware for doing something different with the franchise. The game is huge, gorgeous, mysterious, and a ton of fun! As much as I loved the OT characters, I love the new characters just as much for different reasons. it's not quite there for me. But it could be. I never thought I would say this, but this game to me is looking like my favorite as well. Still early in the single player but I'm loving it so much.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 24, 2017 1:40:07 GMT
I've had hours to calm myself and think about the game more, and....my point still stands. This game honestly feels like a spin off. It just doesn't come close to having the same quality as the trilogy, in so many aspects. Perhaps this would've been easier to swallow if Bioware Edmonton were working on a new Mass Effect trilogy, that takes place hundreds of years after the Milky Way's settlement in Andromeda, and this game developed by Montreal, was just to bridge that gap. But no. This is it. THIS is our new Mass Effect. Everything about this game just SCREAMS it had a troubled development. We all knew it. Casey Hudson jumped ship. Key developers were being let go left and right. Chris Schlerf who was suppose to be it's lead writer, ended up leaving production at some random point, and we don't know why. The facial animations, the bugs, the scuttlebutt from former employees, it all adds up. This was a game that was a victim of developmental hell, caused by bad company policies, infighting, and poor management. And you know what the real sad part is? "Mass Effect 5", or "ME: Andromeda 2" if you prefer, is something that's no longer a guarantee at this point. Even if it does get made, we now know that it'll be made in a toxic and broken environment, by a bunch of developers who have no passion. Unless EA hands the series back to Edmonton, which I don't see happening, this series is pretty much dead at this point. Want to know something? When ME 5 does come out which we know it will because enough people have already bought the game. I will be right there pre-ordering like I did for this one because I don't put so high expectations on developers like you do. I can enjoy something even if it wasn't what I thought it would be. New experiences are a good thing. To stick to the past for so long cripples you as a person.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 1:44:39 GMT
I've had hours to calm myself and think about the game more, and....my point still stands. This game honestly feels like a spin off. It just doesn't come close to having the same quality as the trilogy, in so many aspects. Perhaps this would've been easier to swallow if Bioware Edmonton were working on a new Mass Effect trilogy, that takes place hundreds of years after the Milky Way's settlement in Andromeda, and this game developed by Montreal, was just to bridge that gap. But no. This is it. THIS is our new Mass Effect. Everything about this game just SCREAMS it had a troubled development. We all knew it. Casey Hudson jumped ship. Key developers were being let go left and right. Chris Schlerf who was suppose to be it's lead writer, ended up leaving production at some random point, and we don't know why. The facial animations, the bugs, the scuttlebutt from former employees, it all adds up. This was a game that was a victim of developmental hell, caused by bad company policies, infighting, and poor management. And you know what the real sad part is? "Mass Effect 5", or "ME: Andromeda 2" if you prefer, is something that's no longer a guarantee at this point. Even if it does get made, we now know that it'll be made in a toxic and broken environment, by a bunch of developers who have no passion. Unless EA hands the series back to Edmonton, which I don't see happening, this series is pretty much dead at this point. Want to know something? When ME 5 does come out which we know it will because enough people have already bought the game. I will be right there pre-ordering like I did for this one because I don't put so high expectations on developers like you do. I can enjoy something even if it wasn't what I thought it would be. New experiences are a good thing. To stick to the past for so long cripples you as a person. Give me a break dude. It's called having standards. There's a reason this game has a fucking 74 on Metacritic. I'm not the only one who see the serious issues with this game. This isn't a problem with sticking to the past. I'm all for doing new things, as long as they're done well. They clearly weren't done well here.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 24, 2017 1:46:51 GMT
it's not quite there for me. But it could be. I never thought I would say this, but this game to me is looking like my favorite as well. Still early in the single player but I'm loving it so much. its weird because with DA I it had a lot of flaws but the game over came them. With mea i just wonder if it will do the same or if it's minor flaws will weigh it down enough to not be among my favorites. Like the jump puzzles...and puzzle puzzles.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 24, 2017 1:49:08 GMT
Want to know something? When ME 5 does come out which we know it will because enough people have already bought the game. I will be right there pre-ordering like I did for this one because I don't put so high expectations on developers like you do. I can enjoy something even if it wasn't what I thought it would be. New experiences are a good thing. To stick to the past for so long cripples you as a person. Give me a break dude. It's called having standards. There's a reason this game has a fucking 74 on Metacritic. I'm not the only one who see the serious issues with this game. This isn't a problem with sticking to the past. I'm all for doing new things, as long as they're done well. They clearly weren't done well here. I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 1:54:28 GMT
Give me a break dude. It's called having standards. There's a reason this game has a fucking 74 on Metacritic. I'm not the only one who see the serious issues with this game. This isn't a problem with sticking to the past. I'm all for doing new things, as long as they're done well. They clearly weren't done well here. I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.Too bad. Some of us actually care enough about our franchise to call it like they see it. And whether you care about Metacritic or not, the harsh reality is that it's used as a metric by the higher ups, to gauge the success of their game. www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/16/is-metacritic-ruining-the-games-industrySo there are people over at EA, who are looking at that 74 score, and unless ME:A surpasses all expectations commercially, it will be a factor into the possibility of a sequel.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 1:58:01 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.Too bad. Some of us actually care enough about our franchise to call it like they see it. And whether you care about Metacritic or not, the harsh reality is that it's used as a metric by the higher ups, to gauge the success of their game. www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/16/is-metacritic-ruining-the-games-industrySo there are people over at EA, who are looking at that 74 score, and unless ME:A surpasses all expectations commercially, it will be a factor into the possibility of a sequel. I don't think EA cares much about reviews. If they feel that the game sold well enough, they'll produce a sequel regardless of review score.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 24, 2017 1:58:25 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.Too bad. Some of us actually care enough about our franchise to call it like they see it. And whether you care about Metacritic or not, the harsh reality is that it's used as a metric by the higher ups, to gauge the success of their game. www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/16/is-metacritic-ruining-the-games-industrySo there are people over at EA, who are looking at that 74 score, and unless ME:A surpasses all expectations commercially, it will be a factor into the possibility of a sequel. there is calling it like you see it... constructive criticism...and what you did in the OP. The two are totally different.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 24, 2017 1:59:49 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.Too bad. Some of us actually care enough about our franchise to call it like they see it. And whether you care about Metacritic or not, the harsh reality is that it's used as a metric by the higher ups, to gauge the success of their game. www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/16/is-metacritic-ruining-the-games-industrySo there are people over at EA, who are looking at that 74 score, and unless ME:A surpasses all expectations commercially, it will be a factor into the possibility of a sequel. The sequel will happen because it is Mass Effect. Even if they didn't get the money they wanted, they made more then enough to make a sequel. Hell, for all we know they are already in development for it. I do care about the franchise which is why I am putting money in it. Unlike you who doesn't want to see it grow. You could have kept the game and still complained about them making it to your standards, but they would have the funding to do so.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:01:16 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass about Metacritic or any review site;I never have nor I ever will because most of the time their opinions on games don't reflect my own. I think it was done well, and there are people out there who agree with me as well. You and the others have to stop preaching your opinion about the game like it is the word of God itself. You are just making it unbearable for those who actually enjoy the game.Too bad. Some of us actually care enough about our franchise to call it like they see it. I care a lot about Mass Effect, and I feel ME: A looks great. I call it like I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:07:40 GMT
This whole post is so hateful it's actually upsetting
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:08:31 GMT
This whole post is so hateful it's actually upsetting He's calling it like he sees it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:09:44 GMT
This whole post is so hateful it's actually upsetting He's calling it like he sees it. It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:12:27 GMT
I care a lot about Mass Effect, and I feel ME: A looks great. I call it like I see it. How many hours you got in? What do you think about the immersion, had it break much?
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 2:20:10 GMT
He's calling it like he sees it. It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry. Yes I'm sure I hurt Bioware's feelings on this one.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 2:24:13 GMT
He's calling it like he sees it. It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry. I hate it when people think that they can police other people's feelings. I feel the same way as the OP (actually, he is too kind to game IMO). Some of you people just want to have your safe spaces, and the very notion of someone critiquing what you (supposedly) like is considered a threat to you, because it shakes your belief system (that is often build on delusions, or fear of being labeled as haters). I can be an ass and "irrational" as well (probably what I'm doing now), and considering what Andromeda turned out to be, it would be totally justified. Cheers.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:28:23 GMT
I care a lot about Mass Effect, and I feel ME: A looks great. I call it like I see it. How many hours you got in? What do you think about the immersion, had it break much? I have the game but can't play it until tonight. From snippets I see from streamers though, It looks like I won't be disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:28:28 GMT
I'm not trying to police anyone's feelings. There are neutral and positive ways to bring up your issues or disdain! It's just making it a more harsh atmosphere and I never said anything about bioware feelings so I don't know where you guys got that from.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:29:37 GMT
It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry. I hate it when people think that they can police other people's feelings. I feel the same way as the OP (actually, he is too kind to game IMO). Some of you people just want to have your safe spaces, and the very notion of someone critiquing what you (supposedly) like is considered a threat to you, because it shakes your belief system (that is often build on delusions, or fear of being labeled as haters). I can be an ass and "irrational" as well (probably what I'm doing now), and considering what Andromeda turned out to be, it would be totally justified. Cheers. This isn't "criticism" this is more of a rant.
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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 2:34:16 GMT
The game is at odds with itself. When I was aboard the Nexus (second time) I started to feel like it was a ME game. Then I got back on the Tempest, started talking to Lexi, and it started to fade. By the time I got around to talking to Cora (my next stop), it was gone.
I'm just clicking through the story now, half listening.... "Yadda yadda yadda, go pick me up 10 bear asses yadda yadda yadda" is all I hear.
I just landed on the ice planet? Ran around the main quest hub, got all the quests that I could find, and then pulled up my map and almost shit myself. Srsly? You want me to go out and explore with all of that to do?
You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 2:40:44 GMT
I hate it when people think that they can police other people's feelings. I feel the same way as the OP (actually, he is too kind to game IMO). Some of you people just want to have your safe spaces, and the very notion of someone critiquing what you (supposedly) like is considered a threat to you, because it shakes your belief system (that is often build on delusions, or fear of being labeled as haters). I can be an ass and "irrational" as well (probably what I'm doing now), and considering what Andromeda turned out to be, it would be totally justified. Cheers. This isn't "criticism" this is more of a rant. So? I have found that rants hold more truth and merit than blind praise and fanboyism. They are emotional responses. You can't fake emotion. You can fake an opinion though. And again, this is a forum. People don't have to be diplomatic. Some times people just want to vent, and share their grieves with other people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:41:12 GMT
Are you serious? You'd take any of those 4 over Liara? Wrex? I'd even take Ashley over them purely due to the fact that her face doesn't "hurt" to look at. And we still have all of the other non-recruitable characters: Anderson Saren Matriarch Benezia Nihlus Joker All of which are fleshed out waaaaayyyyy better (imo) than any character in Andromeda. Yeah. Nihlus was my favorite! They went so deep with his character arc. I totally agree with ya! Benezia had a great rack...nothing I've seen in Andromeda comes close.
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