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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 2:42:58 GMT
Personally, I'm glad that I'm not a mod on here right now. I'm sure that the number of REPORTS that they are getting from the Scientology faithful is staggering.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 2:43:48 GMT
I'm not trying to police anyone's feelings. There are neutral and positive ways to bring up your issues or disdain! It's just making it a more harsh atmosphere and I never said anything about bioware feelings so I don't know where you guys got that from. My comment was aimed more at this: You know, when you guys post ugly critique like this, it kind of ruins it a little for those of us still playing and enjoying the game. Which brings up a point. Why isn't there a critique/review section for Mass Effect (and for each BioWare game)? That way the people who want to read that kind of thing can, while those that don't can safely ignore it and keep playing the game for the awesome and quirky game it is? I guess I fucked up. This forum software is a bit weird, and I'm failing at it at the moment.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:48:04 GMT
This isn't "criticism" this is more of a rant. So? I have found that rants hold more truth and merit than blind praise and fanboyism. They are emotional responses. You can't fake emotion. You can fake an opinion though. And again, this is a forum. People don't have to be diplomatic. Some times people just want to vent, and share their grieves with other people. Rants are no different from blind praise, if you want to vent fine but expect people to call you out on it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 2:49:04 GMT
Personally, I'm glad that I'm not a mod on here right now. I'm sure that the number of REPORTS that they are getting from the Scientology faithful is staggering. Seriously? What is with the insult? If you don't like the game that's fine. But to insult others is getting us nowhere.
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Post by constructman on Mar 24, 2017 2:53:53 GMT
If only there was a way to partially sever everybody's connections to their amygdala in a safe way.
Then everybody would see this game for the average game it is. We wouldn't have all those "feelings" running around spreading vitriol everywhere. In one fell swoop, all annoying parties on all sides eliminated.
Seriously. It's an eyesore. But I guess humans are inherently irrational beings.
Only human after all, would you say?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:58:39 GMT
If only there was a way to partially sever everybody's connections to their amygdala in a safe way. Then everybody would see this game for the average game it is. We wouldn't have all those "feelings" running around spreading vitriol everywhere. In one fell swoop, all annoying parties on all sides eliminated. Seriously. It's an eyesore. But I guess humans are inherently irrational beings. Only human after all, would you say? You know I think the reapers had the right idea. Indiscriminatly killing everyone in sight, no feelings involved there. Actually, come to think of it, Bioware tried that when they nuked the forums...
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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 3:00:32 GMT
Personally, I'm glad that I'm not a mod on here right now. I'm sure that the number of REPORTS that they are getting from the Scientology faithful is staggering. Seriously? What is with the insult? If you don't like the game that's fine. But to insult others is getting us nowhere. How 'bout we grow up and put our big boy pants on? K? K.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 3:04:00 GMT
So? I have found that rants hold more truth and merit than blind praise and fanboyism. They are emotional responses. You can't fake emotion. You can fake an opinion though. And again, this is a forum. People don't have to be diplomatic. Some times people just want to vent, and share their grieves with other people. Rants are no different from blind praise, if you want to vent fine but expect people to call you out on it. Then you can call it balance , because it goes both ways. And perhaps we can agree, that they both lead us nowhere. The problem is, any type of criticism, no matter how constructive, is viewed as toxic by some people (something that is happening for ages, everywhere), and they feel like it shouldn't exist. Well, things don't work like that. When you have exaggerated and dishonest praise, you have exaggerated hate. Again - the result of the equation trying to balance its self out.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 24, 2017 3:07:03 GMT
Rants are no different from blind praise, if you want to vent fine but expect people to call you out on it. Then you can call it balance , because it goes both ways. And perhaps we can agree, that they both lead us nowhere. The problem is, any type of criticism, no matter how constructive, is viewed as toxic by some people (something that is happening for ages, everywhere), and they feel like it shouldn't exist. Well, things don't work like that. When you have exaggerated and dishonest praise, you have exaggerated hate. Again - the result of the equation trying to balance its self out. I can agree to an extent. My problem arises when the people against it make it like the worst game of the year. Basically unplayable, like the scourge of the universe it seems. I can handle the critics on the cc and facial issues, but blowing it way out of the water is just annoying.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 3:08:20 GMT
If only there was a way to partially sever everybody's connections to their amygdala in a safe way. Then everybody would see this game for the average game it is. We wouldn't have all those "feelings" running around spreading vitriol everywhere. In one fell swoop, all annoying parties on all sides eliminated. Seriously. It's an eyesore. But I guess humans are inherently irrational beings. Only human after all, would you say? To be fair, we play games because of how they make us fell, not for their technical prowess. That's how we enjoy games like The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye. While a good technical basis is important, that's not what is most important for the overall enjoyment of a game. Games that make us feel something are great games because of that feeling, not because they compile their 1's and 0's in the right order all the time. That's like saying the best way to analyze poetry is based on how closely it follows iambic pentameter. Data had this exact problem in his "Ode to Spot" in Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's not about being a "tribute to form", but about making us feel.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 24, 2017 3:12:26 GMT
Just try to not blow an artery off, OP. This guy, Jesus Fuckin' Christ.
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Post by mordrek on Mar 24, 2017 3:13:15 GMT
The entire beginning story is such an epic failure, I can't believe it was published. The game gets better, but dear god the beginning is so incredibly bad. For anyone who's had a close friend or family member die... the complete lack of emotion, and I don't give a shit attitude displayed in the game is unforgivable.
These people are supposed to be professional writers. Shame on you.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 3:14:11 GMT
Rants are no different from blind praise, if you want to vent fine but expect people to call you out on it. Then you can call it balance , because it goes both ways. And perhaps we can agree, that they both lead us nowhere. The problem is, any type of criticism, no matter how constructive, is viewed as toxic by some people (something that is happening for ages, everywhere), and they feel like it shouldn't exist. Well, things don't work like that. When you have exaggerated and dishonest praise, you have exaggerated hate. Again - the result of the equation trying to balance its self out. Okay..... This just leads nowhere but another pointless argument spending more time calling out the poster than the content. Of course some people are sensitive to criticism no matter how constructive it is but this is not doing any one any favors.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 24, 2017 3:16:20 GMT
Seriously? What is with the insult? If you don't like the game that's fine. But to insult others is getting us nowhere. How 'bout we grow up and put our big boy pants on? K? K. So you're going to at least address my statement. Sigh sometimes detractors are worse than extreme fans.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 24, 2017 3:21:44 GMT
I couldnt agree more OP. I knew the lack of info and gameplay prior to release had to mean something. Clearly the marketing people knew the game wasn't that great and tried to "hide" it as much as possible. But to your topic... Like ive mentioned previously the rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any style, lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue and exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. Its simply dull. Like the Transformer movies its just crap, souless, generic, design by committee, "our focus groups have told us this'll appeal to the widest audience/make X amount of profit on the lowest investment" corperate crap served up on screen. And to boot it all just feels a bit old hat imo. Why even bother going to Andromeda to begin with then if its just the same shit we've been there and done that and got the t-shirt etc?. The same shit but only not as interesting because the characters are nowhere near as compelling. Of course we know why we're going there, but it all just feels a bit pointless to me. There's no good reason for the game to even be set there, and then they fail to actually take advantage of this new setting any way). It shows a lack of vision and creative bankruptcy. And why should i invest my time and money when clearly they couldnt be bothered too. And the thing is whilst the most talked about aspect, the animations, although they are indeed awful and immersion breaking, are actually hardly the worst of the game's problems imo. To me this game is a mess in many more crucial aspects, apsects that greatly effect ones enjoyment and matter far more than the facial animations(and animations are not my main priority in so much that when it comes to Mass Effect things like side quests and world building, writing and atmosphere is where my main focus is... And they dropped the ball hard on those things. The game is severly lacking, and not what one would expect from a game with Mass Effect on the box). I get the impression they learnt nothing from the failings and faults of ME3 or DA:I. Its frustrating tbh. And i know some people say its like ME1, well for one it isnt(as that actually had interesting side missons, compelling characters and a fantastic story. Its ME1 in all the bad ways sure), and two even if it was its now 2017, and what was acceptabe in 2007 is not good enough anymore in 2017, doesnt cut the mustard in a post Witcher 3 or Mass Effect 2 or New Vegas world. They've had 3 games, why turn the clock backward to what didnt work and wasnt fun to begin with?. Its a regressive step. And to all those saying "It's not that bad!": Yes. It is. Sure, maybe Andromeda is an enjoyable game, but evidently it's not an enjoyable Mass Effect game. I didn't fall in love with this series because it was "passable"; it was because I'd never experienced anything like it before. Whether 10 years on, or 7 years or 5 years on, and all we've been given is a hollow imitation of the experience that brought us all here in the first place.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 24, 2017 3:26:10 GMT
I couldnt agree more OP. I knew the lack of info and gameplay prior to release had to mean something. Clearly the marketing people knew the game wasn't that great and tried to "hide" it as much as possible. But to your topic... Like ive mentioned previously the rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any style, lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue and exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. Its simply dull. Like the Transformer movies its just crap, souless, generic, design by committee, "our focus groups have told us this'll appeal to the widest audience/make X amount of profit on the lowest investment" corperate crap served up on screen. And to boot it all just feels a bit old hat imo. Why even bother going to Andromeda to begin with then if its just the same shit we've been there and done that and got the t-shirt etc?. The same shit but only not as interesting because the characters are nowhere near as compelling. Of course we know why we're going there, but it all just feels a bit pointless to me. There's no good reason for the game to even be set there, and then they fail to actually take advantage of this new setting any way). It shows a lack of vision and creative bankruptcy. And why should i invest my time and money when clearly they couldnt be bothered too. And the thing is whilst the most talked about aspect, the animations, although they are indeed awful and immersion breaking, are actually hardly the worst of the game's problems imo. To me this game is a mess in many more crucial aspects, apsects that greatly effect ones enjoyment and matter far more than the facial animations(and animations are not my main priority in so much that when it comes to Mass Effect things like side quests and world building, writing and atmosphere is where my main focus is... And they dropped the ball hard on those things. The game is severly lacking, and not what one would expect from a game with Mass Effect on the box). I get the impression they learnt nothing from the failings and faults of ME3 or DA:I. Its frustrating tbh. And i know some people say its like ME1, well for one it isnt(as that actually had interesting side missons, compelling characters and a fantastic story. Its ME1 in all the bad ways sure), and two even if it was its now 2017, and what was acceptabe in 2007 is not good enough anymore in 2017, doesnt cut the mustard in a post Witcher 3 or Mass Effect 2 or New Vegas world. They've had 3 games, why turn the clock backward to what didnt work and wasnt fun to begin with?. Its a regressive step. And to all those saying "It's not that bad!": Yes. It is. Sure, maybe Andromeda is an enjoyable game, but evidently it's not an enjoyable Mass Effect game. I didn't fall in love with this series because it was "passable"; it was because I'd never experienced anything like it before. Whether 10 years on, or 7 years or 5 years on, and all we've been given is a hollow imitation of the experience that brought us all here in the first place. So basically what you are saying is your opinion is superior to all because if I can't enjoy it, then no one else can. We are not allowed to think of it as an enjoyable ME game? That is the vibe I am getting from your post. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 3:28:14 GMT
How 'bout we grow up and put our big boy pants on? K? K. So you're going to at least address my statement. Sigh sometimes detractors are worse than extreme fans. Telling you to grow up is a worse insult than calling a Scientologist. So, now, grow up.
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Post by vilegrim on Mar 24, 2017 3:34:40 GMT
I actually like it better then MET. I get tired of save the world bullshit stories. It is overplayed, and a little boring. I actually like being an explorer, and doing just that. Exploring! Also, the combat is the best is has ever been. Same. Every game is doing the whole save the world quest line. It's generic and boring and overdone. However ME:A plays out like firefly, GOTG, and many other things. Personally I'm glad I'm not saying the universe and instead can have a rag tag bunch just exploring the galaxy trying to do some good. . Firefly et al. Worked because of the charisma and passion of the leads, as Ryder shows 0 passion and has the charisma of a bored supply teacher, that doesn't occur here, where is the rage? The idealism? The brutality? The callousness? The intensity? NONE if those things show up, and because they do not, because of this lack of urgency and passion, I just can't care, even in events where violent rage is an understandable response you can't show it only either a version of 'professionalism' that is anything but or an 'emotional response' that is never angry, or idealistic but stays in this narrow band of 'mild interest' or 'slight frustration'
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 3:36:43 GMT
Okay..... This just leads nowhere but another pointless argument spending more time calling out the poster than the content. Of course some people are sensitive to criticism no matter how constructive it is but this is not doing any one any favors. Perhaps it wasn't meant to be "doing favors". Hence my thoughts on what a forum is about. And trust me, I strongly disagree with some of the criticisms as well, that focus on the wrong things and draw the attention from the more important things.
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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 3:38:44 GMT
I just can't care, even in events where violent rage is an understandable response you can't show it only either a version of 'professionalism' that is anything but or an 'emotional response' that is never angry, or idealistic but stays in this narrow band of 'mild interest' or 'slight frustration' Really? Ryder shows that much emotion? All that I've seen is boring and playing it off as joke. Wow, great writing there guys.
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Post by House Targaryen on Mar 24, 2017 3:41:46 GMT
Cool topic.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 24, 2017 3:41:51 GMT
.Firefly et al. Worked because of the charisma and passion of the leads, as Ryder shows 0 passion and has the charisma of a bored supply teacher, that doesn't occur here, where is the rage? The idealism? The brutality? The callousness? The intensity? NONE if those things show up, and because they do not, because of this lack of urgency and passion, I just can't care, even in events where violent rage is an understandable response you can't show it only either a version of 'professionalism' that is anything but or an 'emotional response' that is never angry, or idealistic but stays in this narrow band of 'mild interest' or 'slight frustration' It may have been the dialogue options you've been selecting because so far, my Ryder has been pretty consistently emotive.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 24, 2017 3:45:25 GMT
I just landed on the ice planet? Ran around the main quest hub, got all the quests that I could find, and then pulled up my map and almost shit myself. Srsly? You want me to go out and explore with all of that to do? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. I'm not quite following this. There's lots to do, and that's a problem?
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Post by goishen on Mar 24, 2017 3:57:24 GMT
When the game wants me to explore, yes. Plus, it feels like I'm filling out a doctor's form, allergic to penicillin, no, get 10 bear asses, check, date of birth, check, go collect 10 plants, check, are you here because of an immediate threat to your life, no, go look at rocks, check.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 4:01:00 GMT
The entire beginning story is such an epic failure, I can't believe it was published. The game gets better, but dear god the beginning is so incredibly bad. For anyone who's had a close friend or family member die... the complete lack of emotion, and I don't give a shit attitude displayed in the game is unforgivable. These people are supposed to be professional writers. Shame on you. The game gets better after EOS, in a way that a Plot finally starts to form. The only time I was actually enjoying the story, was the final mission, until I got to the ending which was just so bland. This game fails imo, to craft a solid foundation for future games. I was ready to be reeled in by Andromeda's setting, it's races, cultures, and politics, the same way ME1 and ME2 did. But the whole time I found myself wishing I could be back in the Milky Way. To see Omega, The Citadel, Elcor, Quarians, and all the familiar faces and factions I grew to love. It's NOT nostalgia. I was one of the people back in the day, who suggested that the best way to move the series forward, is to go to another galaxy and start fresh. But the writers of ME:A are not NEARLY as talented as the ones who worked on ME1 and ME2. This game lacks so much emotional punch and thought provoking storytelling. It really bums me out.
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