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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 21, 2017 23:25:53 GMT
Oh, this is typical BSN. A lot of these folks have a weird love-hate relationship with Bioware. Or have nothing better to do than troll. Results are the same. The hyperbole and self-important opinions are completely normal. I know, I was around for that previous clusterfuck. You'd have thought some people would have grown up a bit over the years, or at least got some other interests. My theory is that masochism is growing more and more popular.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 23:27:40 GMT
We have a great technical term at work for people who take incomplete data they don't understand and use it to produce nonsense like this, the Innumerati. Do you work at Bioware?
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Post by Astralify on Apr 21, 2017 23:29:51 GMT
I'm sure they'll contact someone who's manufactured their own reality. Then pass along the results to mental healthcare professionals. Did I make you feel superior? The pleasure was all mine.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 21, 2017 23:32:11 GMT
I'm confused, does the NPD count the digital sales of MEA or not? From the polygon article linked: NPD's digital tracking service will still pull sales data from PlayStation Network, Xbox Live and Steam. So no PC sales data for MEA (Origin is not tracked) and NPD is US only. Saying that, I personally find it super interesting that MEA sold (in one week) more than Horizon Zero Dawn in the entire month of March. See Horizon Zero Dawn released on the first week of March and went to sell 2.6m in the two following weeks.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 21, 2017 23:33:56 GMT
Oh, this is typical BSN. A lot of these folks have a weird love-hate relationship with Bioware. Or have nothing better to do than troll. Results are the same. The hyperbole and self-important opinions are completely normal. I know, I was around for that previous clusterfuck. You'd have thought some people would have grown up a bit over the years, or at least got some other interests. It's only been 5 years. The difference between 11 to 16 isn't enough to see that great a difference.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 23:34:32 GMT
I'm confused, does the NPD count the digital sales of MEA or not? From the polygon article linked: NPD's digital tracking service will still pull sales data from PlayStation Network, Xbox Live and Steam. So no PC sales data for MEA (Origin is not tracked) and NPD is US only. Saying that, I personally find it super interesting that MEA sold (in one week) more than Horizon Zero Dawn in the entire month of March. See Horizon Zero Dawn released on the first week of March and went to sell 2.6m in the two following weeks. Considering HZD is a PS4 exclusive I don't find that very unexpected.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 21, 2017 23:36:15 GMT
I'm sure they'll contact someone who's manufactured their own reality. Then pass along the results to mental healthcare professionals. Did I make you feel superior? The pleasure was all mine. One doesn't really have to "feel" a particular way when observing someone trying to frame the argument to their advantage.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2017 23:39:24 GMT
I'm confused, does the NPD count the digital sales of MEA or not? From the polygon article linked: NPD's digital tracking service will still pull sales data from PlayStation Network, Xbox Live and Steam. So no PC sales data for MEA (Origin is not tracked) and NPD is US only. Saying that, I personally find it super interesting that MEA sold (in one week) more than Horizon Zero Dawn in the entire month of March. See Horizon Zero Dawn released on the first week of March and went to sell 2.6m in the two following weeks. Well, it's only on one platform PS4. I think the fact that it's that high on the list with games released on multiple platforms in pretty good.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 21, 2017 23:40:10 GMT
Too true. I'll admit, though, I was hoping someone had some actual financial numbers and not just some guesstimate. They'd be interesting to see. Yeah, solid numbers would help determine what the series might look like in the future. Some real news would have been nice. It might be gradually more difficult to determine because of the many people moving towards digital. But... this is real news. The only numbers not included are Origin sales for digital. And do you honestly think Andromeda has a huge sales presence in Asia? Maybe a little footprint in Europe, and that's it. And it's not on Steam, its on Origin, so it's digital sales will be even worse than what would be considered normal for a comparable AAA game on Steam.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 21, 2017 23:41:31 GMT
Disappointment is different from failure. I can't imagine they would actually lose money on this game.
As for disappointment, they must have adjust downward their expectation imo, since I didn't see much of a marketing campaign, and the way they handled the review embargo date. They couldn't have been caught off guard knowing the state of the game they released.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 21, 2017 23:42:08 GMT
I'm confused, does the NPD count the digital sales of MEA or not? From the polygon article linked: NPD's digital tracking service will still pull sales data from PlayStation Network, Xbox Live and Steam. So no PC sales data for MEA (Origin is not tracked) and NPD is US only. Saying that, I personally find it super interesting that MEA sold (in one week) more than Horizon Zero Dawn in the entire month of March. See Horizon Zero Dawn released on the first week of March and went to sell 2.6m in the two following weeks. So that's most of the PC sales not counted then, guess we'll have to wait for the EA financial report. By the way Horizon was released on the 28th of February so it had one extra day.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 21, 2017 23:42:52 GMT
Was MEA expected to out sell Zelda?? If so that would surprize me greatly. Seeing as Zelda is only on the Switch and WII U that nobody bought, MEA would definitely have been expected to outsell Zelda, seeing as it's on Xbox, PS4 and PC.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 21, 2017 23:53:51 GMT
What a strange bunch of people you are - every thread it's the same people seemingly desperate to delight in anything that confirms their hope that the game is a disaster or it has failed. I just knew who would have started this thread without even having to look - can you all have your own sub forum somewhere? I don't get what you get out of posting all these threads. Taking this topic, unless you have access to origin sales data for example you have no idea what the number are, it's all just speculation. Yet here you all dancing a jig of glee that there is a slim crumb of hope that the game hasn't sold well. How absolutely fucking weird. You see, all evidence points to shitty sales. Here's the facts: It sold worse than ME3 for physical units. It's 5th in it's third week of sales in the UK. It's ~10th in Australia. It received 20-35% discounts a week after release. It sold less than Zelda. It's 3rd for the Month of March in the US with less than 1.2m sales after two weeks, while ME3 sold 900k in 24 hours. - These totals include digital sales for PS4 and Xbox. They don't include Origin or worldwide numbers. - Do you honestly think the majority of it's sales are through Origin? If so, then yeah - maybe they reached the numbers they wanted. Seeing as Origin is the red-headed stepchild of Steam, I doubt it. I guess it's also possible the game is selling a ton in Asia... or Europe? But THESE are the unknowns. What we DO KNOW, points to = disappointing sales.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 21, 2017 23:54:41 GMT
Well, it's only on one platform PS4. I think the fact that it's that high on the list with games released on multiple platforms in pretty good. Platforms got nothing to do with my point. OP is saying MEA was a financial disappointment because it sold 1.2m in the US only, but based on HZD selling more than 2.6m copies in March (2.6m was only for the first two weeks) and correlating MEA selling more than it in the US NPD chart for the month, that means MEA sold in March (a week and a few days) more than 2.6m copies world wide coming near if not even over EA expectations of 3m copies for that time period. I will add that based on HZD first two weeks, it was trending to reach Uncharged 4 8.7m copies sold...no BioWare games ever sold that much.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 22, 2017 0:07:59 GMT
Well, it's only on one platform PS4. I think the fact that it's that high on the list with games released on multiple platforms in pretty good. Platforms got nothing to do with my point. OP is saying MEA was a financial disappointment because it sold 1.2m in the US only, but based on HZD selling more than 2.6m copies in March (2.6m was only for the first two weeks) and correlating MEA selling more than it in the US NPD chart for the month, that means MEA sold in March (a week and a few days) more than 2.6m copies world wide coming near if not even over EA expectations of 3m copies for that time period. I will add that based on HZD first two weeks, it was trending to reach Uncharged 4 8.7m copies sold...no BioWare games ever sold that much. See, here's where YOU are playing with the facts again. Andromeda did not sell 1.2m in the US. Zelda did. Andromeda sold less. We don't know how much. the number could in fact be 500k for all we know. Assuming 1.2m is a best-case scenario, and unlikely. HZD sales do NOT count digital sales. The website link clearly states that. Now the question is, do you think HZD digital sales through PS4 will be greater than Origin sales? I would argue yes, because Origin isn't Steam, and Origin isn't the go-to for digital games. And do you honestly think HZD will continue selling at it's 2-week opening pace? C'mon. You just lost all credibility. 8.7m lol
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 0:15:22 GMT
Platforms got nothing to do with my point. HZD sales do NOT count digital sales. The website link clearly states that. Now the question is, do you think HZD digital sales through PS4 will be greater than Origin sales? I would argue yes, because Origin isn't Steam, and Origin isn't the go-to for digital games. I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 22, 2017 0:21:09 GMT
HZD sales do NOT count digital sales. The website link clearly states that. Now the question is, do you think HZD digital sales through PS4 will be greater than Origin sales? I would argue yes, because Origin isn't Steam, and Origin isn't the go-to for digital games. I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. Steam is the standard - it's where most people get there games. People don't like how EA is forcing them to install a separate client just for new EA games. There's over 125m steam users as of 2015, while the last update EA released pegged the Origin install base at 50m. The gap is probably bigger now.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 22, 2017 0:25:40 GMT
I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. Steam is the standard - it's where most people get there games. People don't like how EA is forcing them to install a separate client just for new EA games. There's over 125m steam users as of 2015, while the last update EA released pegged the Origin install base at 50m. The gap is probably bigger now. None of that means that millions of games can't or aren't sold on Origin. I buy on both - generally wherever the price is best.
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Post by Astralify on Apr 22, 2017 0:34:20 GMT
Did I make you feel superior? The pleasure was all mine. One doesn't really have to "feel" a particular way when observing someone trying to frame the argument to their advantage. Well, that kinda proves what I said about your superiority complexes, doesn't it? lol
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Post by dm04 on Apr 22, 2017 0:54:01 GMT
You see, all evidence points to shitty sales. Here's the facts: It sold worse than ME3 for physical units. It's 5th in it's third week of sales in the UK. It's ~10th in Australia. It received 20-35% discounts a week after release. It sold less than Zelda. It's 3rd for the Month of March in the US with less than 1.2m sales after two weeks, while ME3 sold 900k in 24 hours. - These totals include digital sales for PS4 and Xbox. They don't include Origin or worldwide numbers. - Do you honestly think the majority of it's sales are through Origin? If so, then yeah - maybe they reached the numbers they wanted. Seeing as Origin is the red-headed stepchild of Steam, I doubt it. I guess it's also possible the game is selling a ton in Asia... or Europe? But THESE are the unknowns. What we DO KNOW, points to = disappointing sales.Aaand? Just because the sold copies did not meat their expectation, it does not mean it failed. Lets say there are just 1 million copie sold across all platforms across the whole world, that is still 60million $ in sales, which is 15million $ more then the project cost. That is not fail. MEA is not a bad game, but it is unfinished, unpolished and bug infested like nothing else I played in the last 10 years. If "we" expected BW and EA to change their tactic about developing and releasing games (we see this since ME3), it would only work, if they did not sold more then 500k copies. That would hurt them and then they would have a meeting after meeting to brainstorm what went wrong and maybe realize what they did. But now? Business as usual.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 22, 2017 0:56:56 GMT
Hopefully EA realizes now, after this major flop, that it has to change Bioware. I don't know how much EA is to blame for Bioware's fall, but it has to do something now because if this same team make the next Mass Effect game, it's won't be great neither. Nor any other game for that matter.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 22, 2017 0:58:55 GMT
Platforms got nothing to do with my point. OP is saying MEA was a financial disappointment because it sold 1.2m in the US only, but based on HZD selling more than 2.6m copies in March (2.6m was only for the first two weeks) and correlating MEA selling more than it in the US NPD chart for the month, that means MEA sold in March (a week and a few days) more than 2.6m copies world wide coming near if not even over EA expectations of 3m copies for that time period. I will add that based on HZD first two weeks, it was trending to reach Uncharged 4 8.7m copies sold...no BioWare games ever sold that much. See, here's where YOU are playing with the facts again. Andromeda did not sell 1.2m in the US. Zelda did. Andromeda sold less. We don't know how much. the number could in fact be 500k for all we know. Assuming 1.2m is a best-case scenario, and unlikely. HZD sales do NOT count digital sales. The website link clearly states that. Now the question is, do you think HZD digital sales through PS4 will be greater than Origin sales? I would argue yes, because Origin isn't Steam, and Origin isn't the go-to for digital games. And do you honestly think HZD will continue selling at it's 2-week opening pace? C'mon. You just lost all credibility. 8.7m lol Considering digital is the only way to get MEA on PC in 99.9% of the world (only a few EU countries have a retail version) and consoles still selling more retails than digital, no I don't think HZD has more digital sales than MEA PC version does. I'm also not sure how MEA can have the Playstation Network digital sales but HZD can't... And the trending with Uncharted 4 sales isn't from me, it's in the news about HZD selling 2.6m copies in the first two weeks. You want fact, HZD sold twice as much copies in EU than the US, which going by the population number that makes total sense and I don't see why it would be different for any AAA release. It also mean that HZD sold about 800k-900k copies in March in the US. Setting MEA between 1m and 1.2m in that NPD chart and around 3m to 3.6m worldwide right on EA's target.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 1:01:29 GMT
I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. Steam is the standard - it's where most people get there games. People don't like how EA is forcing them to install a separate client just for new EA games. There's over 125m steam users as of 2015, while the last update EA released pegged the Origin install base at 50m. The gap is probably bigger now. You're saying that gamers really are that stupid?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 22, 2017 1:06:51 GMT
HZD sales do NOT count digital sales. The website link clearly states that. Now the question is, do you think HZD digital sales through PS4 will be greater than Origin sales? I would argue yes, because Origin isn't Steam, and Origin isn't the go-to for digital games. I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. There are people who genuinely do not like Origin, consider it little more than spyware, and will not use it under any circumstances. That said, I don't know if there are enough of them to really affect overall totals.
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