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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 22, 2017 1:21:27 GMT
One doesn't really have to "feel" a particular way when observing someone trying to frame the argument to their advantage. Well, that kinda proves what I said about your superiority complexes, doesn't it? lol
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 1:29:39 GMT
I've never understood the italed argument. Are there more than a handful of idiots who would buy a game if it was on Steam but won't buy that game if it's only on Origin? Gamers are stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. There are people who genuinely do not like Origin, consider it little more than spyware, and will not use it under and circumstances. That said, I don't know if there are enough of them to really affect overall totals. Yeah, that's my take. I figure there are a handful of genuinely principled people, and a handful more who are just paranoid. But both groups together aren't more than a rounding error.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 22, 2017 1:30:20 GMT
Not surprised by the usual suspects in this doom and gloom thread. BSN
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Post by smilesja on Apr 22, 2017 2:36:08 GMT
Hopefully EA realizes now, after this major flop, that it has to change Bioware. I don't know how much EA is to blame for Bioware's fall, but it has to do something now because if this same team make the next Mass Effect game, it's won't be great neither. Nor any other game for that matter.
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Post by kino on Apr 22, 2017 3:33:03 GMT
Hopefully EA realizes now, after this major flop, that it has to change Bioware. I don't know how much EA is to blame for Bioware's fall, but it has to do something now because if this same team make the next Mass Effect game, it's won't be great neither. Nor any other game for that matter. I am not going to lie; I love that damn movie. That scene literally had me rolling in the theater.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 22, 2017 3:36:38 GMT
Hopefully EA realizes now, after this major flop, that it has to change Bioware. I don't know how much EA is to blame for Bioware's fall, but it has to do something now because if this same team make the next Mass Effect game, it's won't be great neither. Nor any other game for that matter. What precisely qualifies a game as a major flop these days?
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 22, 2017 3:37:02 GMT
What a strange bunch of people you are - every thread it's the same people seemingly desperate to delight in anything that confirms their hope that the game is a disaster or it has failed. I just knew who would have started this thread without even having to look - can you all have your own sub forum somewhere? I don't get what you get out of posting all these threads. Taking this topic, unless you have access to origin sales data for example you have no idea what the number are, it's all just speculation. Yet here you all dancing a jig of glee that there is a slim crumb of hope that the game hasn't sold well. How absolutely fucking weird. You see, all evidence points to shitty sales. Here's the facts: It sold worse than ME3 for physical units. It's 5th in it's third week of sales in the UK. It's ~10th in Australia. It received 20-35% discounts a week after release. It sold less than Zelda. It's 3rd for the Month of March in the US with less than 1.2m sales after two weeks, while ME3 sold 900k in 24 hours. - These totals include digital sales for PS4 and Xbox. They don't include Origin or worldwide numbers. - Do you honestly think the majority of it's sales are through Origin? If so, then yeah - maybe they reached the numbers they wanted. Seeing as Origin is the red-headed stepchild of Steam, I doubt it. I guess it's also possible the game is selling a ton in Asia... or Europe? But THESE are the unknowns. What we DO KNOW, points to = disappointing sales.It received discounts? Where? Everywhere I look it's selling for full price a month after release....amazon, best buy, gamestop, target, toyrus, etc
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Post by smilesja on Apr 22, 2017 3:44:08 GMT
Hopefully EA realizes now, after this major flop, that it has to change Bioware. I don't know how much EA is to blame for Bioware's fall, but it has to do something now because if this same team make the next Mass Effect game, it's won't be great neither. Nor any other game for that matter. What precisely qualifies a game as a major flop these days? If you don't like it.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 3:45:45 GMT
There were a handful of discounts a couple of weeks ago. Not as many as ME3 had in the same time-frame, IIRC.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 22, 2017 3:45:49 GMT
Aaand? Just because the sold copies did not meat their expectation, it does not mean it failed. Lets say there are just 1 million copie sold across all platforms across the whole world, that is still 60million $ in sales, which is 15million $ more then the project cost. That is not fail. MEA is not a bad game, but it is unfinished, unpolished and bug infested like nothing else I played in the last 10 years. If "we" expected BW and EA to change their tactic about developing and releasing games (we see this since ME3), it would only work, if they did not sold more then 500k copies. That would hurt them and then they would have a meeting after meeting to brainstorm what went wrong and maybe realize what they did. But now? Business as usual. Agreed. ME:A is a lot of fun to play but plagued by a zillion problems. Even if they only sell 2-3million this entire year, there is still profit to be found. "Disappointment" is proportional to "expectation". If EA believe the incompetent studio that is Bioware Montreal can deliver a blockbuster, then they must be disappointed now. If EA already knows that the B-Studio is not capable of a blockbuster, then they wont be disappointed much. However, even if this is a financial failure, I doubt we will see any changes from EA. They will just invest in a new IP and let this IP dies. If Bioware's reputation is beyond salvageable, they will simply close it down or/and transfer the people to other studios under EA. Why take the extra difficult path of actually creating a solid, finished and polished product? How much more money and time must they invest and how much more profit can they expect by doing so?
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 22, 2017 3:46:14 GMT
This reminds me of all those articles claim that BvS(and suicide squad) is a financial failure for Warner Brothers and they should stop making DCEU film.
As a matter of fact Bioware is pretty much like DCEU right now, being hated for whatever reason and whatever they do right is ignored by a the haters completely.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 22, 2017 3:52:46 GMT
It's important to remember that we don't know what the numbers are for digital sales. And I assume at this point the majority of sales are going to be digital. Certainly on the PC there's only a small percentage that is physical anymore. That report is based on $$$ from sales - INCLUDING digital. They've been included for awhile now. CHanged thread title to disappointment - 3-4m might still be considered a success. www.polygon.com/2016/7/12/12158862/npds-tracking-reports-to-include-digital-sales-for-the-first-timeBurns that argument to the ground. Nice catch. Sad day, because this combined with that survey leads me to believe we may not see another Mass Effect. At best we might get a new team to deal with or a major shake up. BioWare won't go anywhere because Inquisition sold. But this should give them the kick in the pants they needed. It was sloppy work and there was no excuse for shipping the game as it was. Heres hoping we get a new ME after this. *Prays Ryncol*
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 22, 2017 3:55:33 GMT
Lot of doom based on scant evidence and "wishful" thinking...par for the course
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 22, 2017 3:58:34 GMT
Burns that argument to the ground. Nice catch. Sad day, because this combined with that survey leads me to believe we may not see another Mass Effect. At best we might get a new team to deal with or a majir shake up. BioWare won't go anywhere becausr Inquisition sold. But this should give them the kick in the pants they needed. It was sloppy work and there was no excuse fir shipping the game as it was. Heres hoping we get a new ME after this. *Prays Ryncol* Bioware Edmonton wont go anywhere true but Bioware Montreal.... Rumors has it that Bioware Edmonton had to step in late in the development of ME:A and do a Harbinger otherwise there would be a zillion more bugs/glitches. I hope we get ME:A 2 as well... hopefully the B-team wont be leading development this time.
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 22, 2017 4:02:34 GMT
Guys there are other countries out there, but I doubt Zimbabwe and North Korea are buying a lot of MEA copies TZDR Too Zimbabwe Didn't Read
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 22, 2017 4:06:50 GMT
Burns that argument to the ground. Nice catch. Sad day, because this combined with that survey leads me to believe we may not see another Mass Effect. At best we might get a new team to deal with or a majir shake up. BioWare won't go anywhere becausr Inquisition sold. But this should give them the kick in the pants they needed. It was sloppy work and there was no excuse fir shipping the game as it was. Heres hoping we get a new ME after this. *Prays Ryncol* Bioware Edmonton wont go anywhere true but Bioware Montreal.... Rumors has it that Bioware Edmonton had to step in late in the development of ME:A and do a Harbinger otherwise there would be a zillion more bugs/glitches. I hope we get ME:A 2 as well... hopefully the B-team wont be leading development this time. I'm not up on the rumours, so I'll stay out of that one. Other than to say there's usually more to it than what we hear down here in the real world.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 4:12:43 GMT
Can someone help me sort out the "disappointment" angle? When did EA ever predict that ME:A would outsell ME3? That seems a bit crazy; hell, six months ago all the gloom-n-doom chatter here was about how ME3 had so crippled the franchise that ME:A wouldn't interest anybody.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 22, 2017 4:16:54 GMT
Can someone help me sort out the "disappointment" angle? When did EA ever predict that ME:A would outsell ME3? That seems a bit crazy; hell, six months ago all the gloom-n-doom chatter here was about how ME3 had so crippled the franchise that ME:A wouldn't interest anybody. Not sure if there are sources on EA claiming it, but I've never cared personally. Regardless however, one would expect the next game in the franchise to sell better than the other cuz if you sell less then the franchise is in regression at that point. It then gets worse as that regression gets used in support for the franchise "dieing". I won't worry myself untill multiple games start having that issue, I'm not worrying right now.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 22, 2017 4:20:50 GMT
Can someone help me sort out the "disappointment" angle? When did EA ever predict that ME:A would outsell ME3? That seems a bit crazy; hell, six months ago all the gloom-n-doom chatter here was about how ME3 had so crippled the franchise that ME:A wouldn't interest anybody. It's also Montreal's first ever run on Frostbite. It's a good game and it might get better like Inquisition did with latter DLC. I really hope Montreal stays together because IF ANYONE LEARNED FROM THIS RELEASE... it was Montreal with Edmonton really close behind. Did EA learn anything? Not a friggin' chance. I think DA4 is going to kick ass in Frostbite this time around. I think ME 2 will be more of a multiplayer type deal, but I'm okay with that. Shepherd's story is done (sort of, thank you MEHEM) and the Andromeda initiative will see a sequel. Also, the new IP. I'm genuinely excited for that one since it's here in Texas. EA made their money.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 22, 2017 4:22:25 GMT
Can someone help me sort out the "disappointment" angle? When did EA ever predict that ME:A would outsell ME3? That seems a bit crazy; hell, six months ago all the gloom-n-doom chatter here was about how ME3 had so crippled the franchise that ME:A wouldn't interest anybody. Early this year, it was found out during an investor's call that EA predicted that Mass Effect: Andromeda will sell around three million copies around launch and a total of six million lifetime. I guess that is what people are saying that is was a "disappointment" or "flop". I must be remembering wrong, but I thought there was a recent interview with one of the people involved with Andromeda where it was stated the game was close to predictions, but since I cannot find the link I must be remembering wrong for that does seem out of place for EA. (Edit: They were talking about DLC being on track) We will never know what EA knows about the sales figures of Mass Effect: Andromeda and that has been their stance on everything for years, they will give vague statements to their investors and not release any chest thumping stats to the press. For they have other games such as FIFA that prints money and they don't brag about either. EA has on their website that they Financial Q4 of 2016 and end of year 2016 financial statements are going to be presented after trading on May 9th and that is where you might find something to prove/disprove/twist for your arguments. From what I have been seeing is that Andromeda does hold up pretty well for a lot of people, they just aren't blasting their love for the game everywhere, for looking at the polls for a place like this and it normally seems to be in favor of Andromeda being a good game that has fallen short of what it could be. It is a very small sample size and not statistically accurate, but I remember polls on the old BSN being a lot more negative towards Mass Effect 3.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 22, 2017 4:22:40 GMT
Looks to me like MEA is selling just fine. We don't know how much it sold on Origin but I would guess a sizable portion of PC sales is from there. Add that to what these other estimates are for non-Origin sales and it looks to be doing pretty well.
I think the real measure EA and BW could use is how well DLC sells. If people truly aren't happy with the game DLC sales will be down. I doubt anyone at BW/EA is panicking just yet, but if DLC for the game flops? To me that would be a bigger sign of how good the game is. Players are going to buy the base game just based on the BW and ME labels alone. I think they will be less inclined to pay out for DLC if they think the game stunk. If they don't and DLC sales are up, well BW can stay the course.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 22, 2017 4:24:47 GMT
Natashina change thread title cause apparently OP doesn't understand what confirmed or worldwide means
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 22, 2017 4:29:18 GMT
Looks to me like MEA is selling just fine. We don't know how much it sold on Origin but I would guess a sizable portion of PC sales is from there. Add that to what these other estimates are for non-Origin sales and it looks to be doing pretty well. I think the real measure EA and BW could use is how well DLC sells. If people truly aren't happy with the game DLC sales will be down. I doubt anyone at BW/EA is panicking just yet, but if DLC for the game flops? To me that would be a bigger sign of how good the game is. Players are going to buy the base game just based on the BW and ME labels alone. I think they will be less inclined to pay out for DLC if they think the game stunk. If they don't and DLC sales are up, well BW can stay the course. Well, EA made their bed. I'm sorry, I'm not buying anything until it's thoroughly patched and the final collector's edition comes out. This is what EA has done to me along with Ubisoft, Bethesda, Obisidian and anything from Steam. When does the cutoff occur after a game is released as a Collector's Edition?
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 22, 2017 4:30:58 GMT
One thing about the Steam versus Origin debate, like all publishers EA is all about money and that is a frequent argument of why people don't like the direction of the games. If they lost a lot of sales from leaving Steam they would have gone back because they owe it to their investors to make as much money as possible otherwise they are going to get sued. So even if there are die hards that refuse to move to Origin, I think the sales would be within the margin of error or fall within the potential losses of staying on Steam with the policy shift they had. So even if it is break even because they would have lost 30% of all PC DLC sales and that covers the loss of people not staying I think it will be staying close to what they were profiting before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 4:36:20 GMT
Looks to me like MEA is selling just fine. We don't know how much it sold on Origin but I would guess a sizable portion of PC sales is from there. Add that to what these other estimates are for non-Origin sales and it looks to be doing pretty well. I think the real measure EA and BW could use is how well DLC sells. If people truly aren't happy with the game DLC sales will be down. I doubt anyone at BW/EA is panicking just yet, but if DLC for the game flops? To me that would be a bigger sign of how good the game is. Players are going to buy the base game just based on the BW and ME labels alone. I think they will be less inclined to pay out for DLC if they think the game stunk. If they don't and DLC sales are up, well BW can stay the course. PC is usually weak compared to the two big consoles except for a few genres. That's not to say that I don't think it's doing alright. I suspect it's doing ok. The MP doesn't sound very successful judging by what I've read, and that's supposedly the cash cow, right? Maybe MP might be disappointing to EA so far? I don't have any numbers to base it off of though.
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