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Post by mindw0rk on Dec 14, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
You compare it to shitty MMOs. Think of Mass Effect that has everything what made trilogy good, but more massive and with real people to team up with for exploring except most of the things that the trilogy (or Andromeda) did well is normally out of the range of what mmos are capable of. Making it so you have to accommodate literally thousands of heroes makes it next to impossible to bring the great Character or story elements bioware is known for. I disagree. Look at Star Citizen. Its not as story focused but its pretty much how Mass Effect MMO should be
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Post by mindw0rk on Dec 14, 2017 12:10:31 GMT
Im not sure why they dont redo ME trilogy in HD. THere are millions of ME fans, alot of them asked for it. New generation of gamers would appreciate more modern version. Yeah, it will be hard work, but there is huge interest in ME trilogy redux. So why keep ignoring it? Because they'd decide to do it in Frostbite and that would be disastrous. Why is that? Frostbite is much more advanced engine then what ME1-3 were made on
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2017 12:27:01 GMT
The MET was so amazing to me, I played ME1 over 50 times, 50 is when I stopped counting. The first 15 of which were back to back after release. ME2 I played over 35 times, again when I stopped counting. ME3 I played a grand total of 3 times, needless to say I find that game overall not very good, only still enjoyable for 3 things not relevant to this post. This game broke my heart utterly, and made me fall out of love with this franchise. I still played it 2 more times.
I bought every comic book, every novel, I bought the $120 hoodie, two pairs of the $90 shoes, a hat, a shirt, a belt buckle I don't even use, an N7 wallet, $50 worth of Lithographs that are still on my wall, framed in glass, and would have bought the $250 Spectre Watch had I the money at the time to make the deposit. I also would buy the Mass Relay necklace in the store for $150 had I that kind of free spending money anymore. After ME3 I had no desire to spend another penny on merch, and didn't. I STILL played ME3 two more times. I also want to note, no other game franchise, has ever been so amazing that I've wanted to buy merch for it, none. Not even my second love Elder Scrolls.
MEA? I played once, and got bored halfway through it, having to force myself to the finish just so I can claim I finished it. It is the first Bioware game I've ever played, that I have had zero desire to ever replay, and this game didn't even break my heart, or was anywhere near as disappointing to me, as ME3 was. I went into this game with very low, heartbroken expectations, and came away feeling absolutely nothing. No hate, no love, nothing at all. I even bought the first book, thinking that might salvage the experience. Once again, I got halfway through it, and then lost total interest. I've never before not finished a book halfway read, even books I actively didn't like. I felt nothing for Andromeda, absolutely nothing. To me, that is far more damming than hating it. I HATE ME3, I loath it with passions few would understand, but it still had enough for me to go back twice.
Maybe I cared too much, maybe I'm simply unreasonable, who knows. What I WANT for the future of ME, is to get back to the MW, somehow, and forget this whole ridiculous Andromeda mess. Sadly I know it will never happen, and MEs future is now stuck in this god awful Andromeda hell hole, which is of course a direct result of a ham-fisted crap ending ME3 used to nuke the entire setting for no real reason. I don't know what the answer is for ME going forward, I honestly cannot think of a way to fix this new half baked setting called Andromeda. All I know is, I want to love Mass Effect again, and I cannot at this time imagine a future where that happens...and it makes me very sad.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2017 12:30:18 GMT
except most of the things that the trilogy (or Andromeda) did well is normally out of the range of what mmos are capable of. Making it so you have to accommodate literally thousands of heroes makes it next to impossible to bring the great Character or story elements bioware is known for. I disagree. Look at Star Citizen. Its not as story focused but its pretty much how Mass Effect MMO should be how about waiting until they prove that game is not vaporware before holding that up as an example, besides, EA would literally never make a game in that fashion, no publisher ever would.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2017 12:34:02 GMT
EA made it pretty damn clear that they don't care about any single player titles. They plan is to push this games as service bullshit, thus a bunch of multiplayer games that they can milk fans with tons of microtransaction. Today that is true, but there is allot of push back on the microtransaction !@#$ crap within the industry at large, some playing out in court rooms as we speak, that may influence the future of that practice. Ultimately, the industry needs to go back to a DLC concept, that may become more costly in the end, for their extra cash. At the end of the day, we pay, upfront or afterward and we need to get used to the fact that a new A-List game cost $120.00 +, not $59.99. YES IT SUCKS, but so does the price of a car and I still need one! lol. So like my car, I tend to wait until games hit the bargain bin ... unless its Mass Effect ... Look at the new Battlefront, where EA got slammed and had to pull back. Same with the new Destiny and guess where Bioware is being made to go with EA, Anthem! WHICH WILL BE A COMPLETE DISASTER, AS CLONES NEVER WIN BIG, AND COULD BE THE END OF THEM AS A STUDIO. At least that is my fear, as this will really be the end Mass Effect. I would actually welcome better multiplayer in ME, as long as it is done right. Don't turn it into COD! If it would look a The Division, once they got all the bugs out, to allow almost seamless co-op play, that would be awesome! But no PvP or any of that shooter crap! Mass Effect has so much potential, being the true king of space gaming. EA need to get their heads out of their !##. I don't want to live through another Wing Commander and yes THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME! lol EA already said themselves, the removal of the loot boxes will not affect their income figures in the slightest. This whole "Games cost a hundred times more today than ever before" is absolute bogus, the proof is everywhere if people bothered to look. Games do NOT cost $120, that's just what they choose to charge because we idiot customers cough up the money on a regular basis.
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Post by goishen on Dec 14, 2017 14:21:09 GMT
It's just like I said in another thread. Millenials will believe anything.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 14, 2017 15:26:26 GMT
Why is that? Frostbite is much more advanced engine then what ME1-3 were made on Making the trilogy using frostbite would not be a remaster, it would be a remake, right?
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Post by uprightshark on Dec 14, 2017 16:51:32 GMT
Today that is true, but there is allot of push back on the microtransaction !@#$ crap within the industry at large, some playing out in court rooms as we speak, that may influence the future of that practice. Ultimately, the industry needs to go back to a DLC concept, that may become more costly in the end, for their extra cash. At the end of the day, we pay, upfront or afterward and we need to get used to the fact that a new A-List game cost $120.00 +, not $59.99. YES IT SUCKS, but so does the price of a car and I still need one! lol. So like my car, I tend to wait until games hit the bargain bin ... unless its Mass Effect ... Look at the new Battlefront, where EA got slammed and had to pull back. Same with the new Destiny and guess where Bioware is being made to go with EA, Anthem! WHICH WILL BE A COMPLETE DISASTER, AS CLONES NEVER WIN BIG, AND COULD BE THE END OF THEM AS A STUDIO. At least that is my fear, as this will really be the end Mass Effect. I would actually welcome better multiplayer in ME, as long as it is done right. Don't turn it into COD! If it would look a The Division, once they got all the bugs out, to allow almost seamless co-op play, that would be awesome! But no PvP or any of that shooter crap! Mass Effect has so much potential, being the true king of space gaming. EA need to get their heads out of their !##. I don't want to live through another Wing Commander and yes THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME! lol EA already said themselves, the removal of the loot boxes will not affect their income figures in the slightest. This whole "Games cost a hundred times more today than ever before" is absolute bogus, the proof is everywhere if people bothered to look. Games do NOT cost $120, that's just what they choose to charge because we idiot customers cough up the money on a regular basis. If EA was not making money in loot boxes they would not do it. They are not a generous company. Everything they do is linked to the bottom line. PERIOD! If they cannot take it from your left pocket, the EA hand will be trying to slip in the right. If you do not believe a game costs a consumer today $120, you haven't picked up COD WW2 yet. I do not disagree that these games are not worth that, but you are 100% correct that as long as some idiot goes out and pays it, they will keep doing it. But games have been too expensive since the Sony PlayStation, so I can't see that changing anytime soon. At 53 I would like to thank someone for mistaking me as a millennial. But unfortunately my aching body will disagree.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 14, 2017 17:21:12 GMT
EA already said themselves, the removal of the loot boxes will not affect their income figures in the slightest. This whole "Games cost a hundred times more today than ever before" is absolute bogus, the proof is everywhere if people bothered to look. Games do NOT cost $120, that's just what they choose to charge because we idiot customers cough up the money on a regular basis. If EA was not making money in loot boxes they would not do it. They are not a generous company. Everything they do is linked to the bottom line. PERIOD! If they cannot take it from your left pocket, the EA hand will be trying to slip in the right. If you do not believe a game costs a consumer today $120, you haven't picked up COD WW2 yet. I do not disagree that these games are not worth that, but you are 100% correct that as long as some idiot goes out and pays it, they will keep doing it. But games have been too expensive since the Sony PlayStation, so I can't see that changing anytime soon. At 53 I would like to thank someone for mistaking me as a millennial. But unfortunately my aching body will disagree. This is why we can't have nice things...
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2017 17:39:43 GMT
EA already said themselves, the removal of the loot boxes will not affect their income figures in the slightest. This whole "Games cost a hundred times more today than ever before" is absolute bogus, the proof is everywhere if people bothered to look. Games do NOT cost $120, that's just what they choose to charge because we idiot customers cough up the money on a regular basis. If EA was not making money in loot boxes they would not do it. They are not a generous company. Everything they do is linked to the bottom line. PERIOD! If they cannot take it from your left pocket, the EA hand will be trying to slip in the right. If you do not believe a game costs a consumer today $120, you haven't picked up COD WW2 yet. I do not disagree that these games are not worth that, but you are 100% correct that as long as some idiot goes out and pays it, they will keep doing it. But games have been too expensive since the Sony PlayStation, so I can't see that changing anytime soon. At 53 I would like to thank someone for mistaking me as a millennial. But unfortunately my aching body will disagree. I also doubt EA in the habit of lying to their shareholders, and they told their shareholders point blank, that the removal of the loot boxes from Battlefront would absolutely not affect their income in any way.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 14, 2017 18:11:08 GMT
Because they'd decide to do it in Frostbite and that would be disastrous. Why is that? Frostbite is much more advanced engine then what ME1-3 were made on It's hard to work with. Perhaps you're a console gamer, but I play on PC and modding doesn't work well with Frostbite. Besides, Frostbite was never meant for RPGs. It was meant for FPS.
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Post by mannyray on Dec 14, 2017 21:29:25 GMT
Why is that? Frostbite is much more advanced engine then what ME1-3 were made on It's hard to work with. Perhaps you're a console gamer, but I play on PC and modding doesn't work well with Frostbite. Besides, Frostbite was never meant for RPGs. It was meant for FPS. At it's core the ME franchise has always been an FPS rpg anyway. I think the difference is that the games are perhaps the most story driven shooters ever, which blurs the line. The only big complaints about Frostbite I've seen here is that, for some, the women don't look hot enough or something. Some more grownup critiques do tend to cite the engine as an underlying problem with the facial animation issues, although in hindsight that looks like more of a QA/rushjob issue. Most of the more noticeable animation glitches were taken care of in subsequent patches. TL/DR version. Making ME:A in Frostbite was keeping development in it's element as an FPS, which it is, just with rpg elements.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 14, 2017 21:31:51 GMT
*shrugs* The Unreal engine was also built for FPS games, and that didn't stop the MET.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 14, 2017 21:51:19 GMT
It's hard to work with. Perhaps you're a console gamer, but I play on PC and modding doesn't work well with Frostbite. Besides, Frostbite was never meant for RPGs. It was meant for FPS. At it's core the ME franchise has always been an FPS rpg anyway. I think the difference is that the games are perhaps the most story driven shooters ever, which blurs the line. The only big complaints about Frostbite I've seen here is that, for some, the women don't look hot enough or something. Some more grownup critiques do tend to cite the engine as an underlying problem with the facial animation issues, although in hindsight that looks like more of a QA/rushjob issue. Most of the more noticeable animation glitches were taken care of in subsequent patches. TL/DR version. Making ME:A in Frostbite was keeping development in it's element as an FPS, which it is, just with rpg elements. FPS? Don't you mean 3rd Person Shooter.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 14, 2017 22:11:07 GMT
*shrugs* The Unreal engine was also built for FPS games, and that didn't stop the MET. And isn’t Dragon Age Origins and 2 built on this?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2017 4:35:57 GMT
It's hard to work with. Perhaps you're a console gamer, but I play on PC and modding doesn't work well with Frostbite. Besides, Frostbite was never meant for RPGs. It was meant for FPS. At it's core the ME franchise has always been an FPS rpg anyway. I disagree, but whatever.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 15, 2017 6:42:31 GMT
Do people really not understand that the IP is dead? The one chance to revive it was Andromeda, and that failed spectacularly. The only RPG franchise left from Bioware is DA.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 15, 2017 6:48:53 GMT
Do people really not understand that the IP is dead? The one chance to revive it was Andromeda, and that failed spectacularly. The only RPG franchise left from Bioware is DA. I think it's one of those 5 stages of grief: denial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
If EA was not making money in loot boxes they would not do it. They are not a generous company. Everything they do is linked to the bottom line. PERIOD! If they cannot take it from your left pocket, the EA hand will be trying to slip in the right. If you do not believe a game costs a consumer today $120, you haven't picked up COD WW2 yet. I do not disagree that these games are not worth that, but you are 100% correct that as long as some idiot goes out and pays it, they will keep doing it. But games have been too expensive since the Sony PlayStation, so I can't see that changing anytime soon. At 53 I would like to thank someone for mistaking me as a millennial. But unfortunately my aching body will disagree. I also doubt EA in the habit of lying to their shareholders, and they told their shareholders point blank, that the removal of the loot boxes from Battlefront would absolutely not affect their income in any way. I agree with all the points you've made above, especially the long post about the OT and the Andromeda hell-hole, but companies lie to their shareholders all the time as a stopgap till they can actually find a way to fix whatever problem they're having. Saying that the removal of a certain quantity will not affect the total is just nonsense. Of course, the removal of lootboxes will affect their potential income. That's just math. EA is lying. This just happens to be such an obvious lie that people sometimes think, "They couldn't be THAT stupid. They must have an ace up their sleeve, or magic, or something." But no, they're just lying.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 15, 2017 10:19:55 GMT
Do people really not understand that the IP is dead? The one chance to revive it was Andromeda, and that failed spectacularly. The only RPG franchise left from Bioware is DA. Andromeda wasn't an attempt to revive Mass Effect. It was alive and well after ME3, ragardless of any ending controversy. We knew another game was in development years before Andromeda was officially announced. But you are right that it failed spectacularly and single handled killed the franchise. Honetly I believe the chances of a next Mass Efffect game in the next 5 years, remaster or no, is... low. Maybe even for the next 10. And it might very well be dead for good, such was the disaster called Andromeda. But what I meant in the OP is what EA should do, not what I believe they will.
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Post by warden on Dec 18, 2017 19:32:38 GMT
*shrugs* The Unreal engine was also built for FPS games, and that didn't stop the MET. And isn’t Dragon Age Origins and 2 built on this? Origins it's build in Eclipse Engine and DA2 it's build in Lycium Engine. (an upgraded version of the Eclipse Engine) in other words, the DA series at first, used Bioware own engine, not a third party one like ME.
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Post by Superhik on Dec 19, 2017 17:10:48 GMT
Do people really not understand that the IP is dead? The one chance to revive it was Andromeda, and that failed spectacularly. The only RPG franchise left from Bioware is DA. Bloody Witcher fans. Nilfgaard take you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:21:37 GMT
IP is not dead as long as people aware of it and play in it. And there are those of us who still play al four ME games. Frankly, there is no real alternatives to the franchise in the current market, except for sort of technomancer, but TM is more of a KOTOR/SWTOR competition than ME one. Until there is a game that actually offers what ME offer but better and/or newer, well, it's just a personal choice between Shepard and Ryder.
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Post by PostGameParty on Dec 20, 2017 1:52:02 GMT
IP is not dead as long as people aware of it and play in it. And there are those of us who still play al four ME games. Frankly, there is no real alternatives to the franchise in the current market, except for sort of technomancer, but TM is more of a KOTOR/SWTOR competition than ME one. Until there is a game that actually offers what ME offer but better and/or newer, well, it's just a personal choice between Shepard and Ryder. I seriously wonder which series is more likely to get another title: Mars / The Technomancer or Mass Effect. And that is really sad for Mass Effect. Its unfortunately in the Jade Empire graveyard at this point. RIP. the sad thing is a trilogy remaster with new endings would actually sell, which is hilarious. I didn't mind the endings so much tbh.
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